well done...just like Sid's steaks

2/22/2010 10:12:52 PM

Fells is solid in the half court passing and all, but was TERRIBLE about handling the ball in transition

2/22/2010 10:15:07 PM

2/22/2010 10:16:46 PM

as evidenced by the fact that in 21 of his 27 games, he had between 0 and 2 turnovers

2/22/2010 10:19:09 PM

how often was he the primary ball handler anyways???

maybe we watched a different Fells last year

2/22/2010 10:22:28 PM

didn't he run the point a few times in 07-08?

2/22/2010 10:41:38 PM

Courtney Fells credibility watch.

old news.

2/22/2010 10:46:11 PM

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"as evidenced by the fact that in 21 of his 27 games, he had between 0 and 2 turnovers"

exactly, because he didn't attempt to go on the break that often

2/22/2010 10:57:02 PM

did you legitimately hate Fells?

2/22/2010 11:01:14 PM

What the Fuck is going on here?

2/22/2010 11:06:27 PM

no, fells was my favorite player the last few years. probably 1/4 of the time he went on the break he turned the ball over

2/22/2010 11:07:20 PM

so he went on the break, on average, 7 times per game?

that would be a record for a forward in Sid's system

2/22/2010 11:10:09 PM

...and that would be assuming he had zero turnovers in the half court set

2/22/2010 11:11:07 PM

what is going on here?

2/22/2010 11:15:00 PM

I love Fells but I'm not going to lie and say he was a great handler on the break. He wasn't good at breaking presses and he was pretty bad about handling on the break. I'd say 70% of his turnovers probably came from those two things.

2/22/2010 11:16:23 PM

i remember it differently, but i'll take your word for it

2/22/2010 11:28:53 PM

^^ except for that one time versus virginia tech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ichp7LX4mfA


The shrieks of girls in the background are funny



[Edited on February 22, 2010 at 11:38 PM. Reason : Fucking waste of talent. jeez]

2/22/2010 11:36:02 PM

waste of talent or wasted talent?

2/22/2010 11:41:02 PM

lol tke give it up man, everyone on this board watched fells the past few years. he wasnt a turnover machine but thats mainly because he didnt do much that would put the ball in danger. he didnt drive much or make dangerous passes trying to set people up, etc

every fast break that he went all out on there was a good chance he would dribble the ball off his knee or he'd sail it out of bounds trying to make an easy pass. and he was good for one of those awful passes where he throws it right to the other team on the perimeter giving them a free lay up AT LEAST once every other game

fwiw his TOrate last year was 18.7%. His replacement, Scott Wood, is at 16.5 as a freshman. And Wood handles the inbounding duties most of the time (part of the reason Costner avg'd a ton of TOs is because he sucked ass at inbounding)

[Edited on February 23, 2010 at 12:12 AM. Reason : ]

2/23/2010 12:10:27 AM

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"he didnt do much that would put the ball in danger. he didnt drive much or make dangerous passes trying to set people up"

you make it sound like that's a bad thing

2/23/2010 12:34:29 AM

You remember it differently, but that's how it was. When he managed to finish it was so pretty, people didn't remember the bad parts

2/23/2010 12:37:25 AM

^^ and yet you hate julius mays

2/23/2010 4:13:45 AM

Problem is that Fells was pretty much in the game as a pure wing and sometimes a 2. Mays is asked to run the point more often than not. Two totally different jobs.

2/23/2010 7:49:52 AM

hah. i used to work at .

when my $5.14 paycheck bounced i knew its time was up...

2/23/2010 8:48:35 AM

Ouch!

2/23/2010 10:13:15 AM

Fells was the 2nd best player in Mississippi behind Monta Ellis in high school. Had a lot of potential, but I think his lack of improvement in his ball-handling led to his demise. I don't see how you can't significantly improve your ball-handling in 4 years of college basketball. Get a fucking ball-handling coach or something.

2/23/2010 11:14:05 AM

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"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ichp7LX4mfA"

Sounds like the commentator says "Fails has 7 foot wingspan" at the 0:36-0:38 mark.

2/23/2010 11:41:21 AM

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"I don't see how you can't significantly improve your ball-handling in 4 years of college basketball. Get a fucking ball-handling coach or something."

Or just talk to Gavin Grant

The guy couldn't dribble his freshman year

2/23/2010 11:47:57 AM

Gavin loved to dribble with his hand underneath the ball

2/23/2010 11:58:25 AM

and he loved to throw the x up for Jamaica

2/23/2010 5:02:08 PM

I still don't understand why GG isn't playing the point in the NBA.

2/23/2010 5:09:43 PM

State has not had any great ball handlers in a while. Honestly Atsur was about as good as we've had recently. Just off the top of my head:

1. Javi - okay
2. Mays - garbage
3. Degand - okay to garbage
4. Grant - garbage
5. Atsur - good
6. Bethel - okay to good
7. Grundy - okay
8. Gainey - okay
9. Archie - garbage
10. Ishua Benjamin - okay

I know I am forgetting some other guys who've routinely handled the ball for us in the recent years, but regardless Harrow will be a breathe of fresh air.



[Edited on February 23, 2010 at 5:15 PM. Reason : Forgot to include GG.]

2/23/2010 5:14:40 PM

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"Problem is that Fells was pretty much in the game as a pure wing and sometimes a 2. Mays is asked to run the point more often than not. Two totally different jobs."

which is what I was getting at. He basically stood in a corner and never had to do anything high risk with the ball in our half court offense. No shit he wouldnt have a ton of turnovers. For the job he had he was still somewhat turnover prone, though. He doesn't compare favorably to Scott Wood, a freshman who in bounds the ball a great deal in the same offense. Look at other wings. Kyle Singler does more in the Duke offense and he protects the ball better. Shit, compare him to Rihards Kuksiks out in the desert if you want to look at a guy that's an upperclassman who mostly stands in a corner and shoots

Fells wasn't the problem last year, but he wasnt helping to solve it either

2/23/2010 5:21:06 PM

Fells was definitely not a good ballhandler or passer.

Atsur is being way overrated as a ball handler, he wasn't even a true PG. He had to dribble with his back to the basket to even get the ball into the frontcourt every possession. It usually took us 10-15 seconds to even set up the offense because his ballhandling was so weak.

Javi is a much better dribbler skillwise he just doesn't play very under control which makes him turnover prone.

2/23/2010 5:35:38 PM

this guy could get the ball up court

2/23/2010 5:37:09 PM

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"Gavin loved to dribble with his hand underneath the ball.. ..and he loved to throw the x up for Jamaica"

ummm... I'm pretty sure the X was for the Bronx where he was from (after coming to the US..)

2/23/2010 5:43:54 PM

you've obviously never seen the jamaican flag

2/23/2010 5:45:43 PM

Why does rflong hate Archie Miller? You really think Javi is better than Arch was?

He would be great compared to what we have....so would Gainey, Crawford, Grundy, etc though

2/23/2010 5:59:06 PM

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" Javi is a much better dribbler skillwise he just doesn't play very under control which makes him turnover prone."

And he makes retarded fucking passes. If he eliminated the bone-headed mistakes (add those ill-advised pull up 3s), he'd be a more than adequate point guard.

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"I still don't understand why GG isn't playing the point in the NBA."

That was either sarcasm, or you are mentally handicapped.

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"Atsur is being way overrated as a ball handler, he wasn't even a true PG. He had to dribble with his back to the basket to even get the ball into the frontcourt every possession. It usually took us 10-15 seconds to even set up the offense because his ballhandling was so weak."

'

Atsur actually was a decent ball handler...he was just severely over matched in athleticism...hence him dribbling with his back to the basket to get the ball up court. He was so valuable to us because he was a solid ball handler, made smart decisions, and usually hit the open jump shot. But he was never going to do anything extraordinary.


And Justin Gainey was the shit. If we knew how desolate we would be at the point guard years after he left, we would have treated him like a fucking king when he was here. Shit, the point guards we've had the past couple years make Cliff Crawford look fucking All-ACC.

2/23/2010 6:40:57 PM

Hodge was a good ball handler. He took a lot of pressure off of Atsur.

2/23/2010 7:20:53 PM

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"Why does rflong hate Archie Miller? You really think Javi is better than Arch was?"

Is this a joke? Archie Miller was a crappy role player. His job was to come in, stand around the 3 pt line on offense and hope someone got him the ball with room to shoot. On defense, he was so horribly bad that we basically were playing 4 on 5. Archie might as well have just stayed down on the offensive side of the court waiting for another 3 pt attempt than try to guard anyone.

2/24/2010 8:09:45 AM

Yay CJ Williams!

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/ncsu/story/7107355/

2/24/2010 11:03:17 AM

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"Is this a joke? Archie Miller was a crappy role player. His job was to come in, stand around the 3 pt line on offense and hope someone got him the ball with room to shoot. On defense, he was so horribly bad that we basically were playing 4 on 5. Archie might as well have just stayed down on the offensive side of the court waiting for another 3 pt attempt than try to guard anyone."

Unappreciative fucker.

He was a really good role player for us and filled in admirably at the PG spot. He had physical limitations that didn't allow him to be a great defender. Although he was a cocky fucker, I feel bad for him because Harrington fucked his girlfriend with the amazing ass.

2/24/2010 11:27:53 AM

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"SHOULDER SHIMMYING SENIOR"

2/24/2010 11:36:51 AM

Physical limitations? He was slightly more athletic and a slightly better shooter than most of the 5'10" gym rats who fill up Carmichael on a nightly basis. He was essentially worthless on anything besides open 3's, foul shots and high fives. He was a point guard who averaged a whopping two assists a game. To make a case for him as anything more than a Will Roach-esque fan favorite is a complete failure to view his actual basketball contributions objectively.

2/24/2010 11:38:28 AM

^^you forgot slick and savvy. what does shoulder-shimmying mean?

[Edited on February 24, 2010 at 12:20 PM. Reason : VV yeah, i figured that's what they meant. that's stupid.]

2/24/2010 11:51:25 AM

^^ bingo. I am surprised that there are people who actually have good memories of Archie. Outside of a good 3 pt stroke, he brought little to the team in terms of production on the floor.

I watched all four years of that little fucker's career here and I was glad to see him gone. Plus he was a wigger.




[Edited on February 24, 2010 at 11:52 AM. Reason : 46]

2/24/2010 11:52:06 AM

^^have you not seen his cocky dance moves after he hits a big shot or two or makes a no look pass to setup a bucket?

2/24/2010 11:53:55 AM

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"cocky dance moves"

DANNY


GREEN

2/24/2010 1:01:27 PM

this is not "lets talk about past NC State bball players"

2/24/2010 1:24:13 PM