dmspack oh we back 25500 Posts user info edit post |
yeah...he's obviously trying to get another job. that was a bit much, though. but whatever. 3/7/2017 6:35:00 PM |
jocristian All American 7527 Posts user info edit post |
A bit much? He conveniently neglected to mention that he took one of the best recruiting classes ncstate has ever had and produced the most disappointing season I can remember as a state fan and that's some stiff competition. It wasn't even the unmet expectations. It was the complete lack of effort and intensity. It was the downward trajectory and the same bad habits from the past six years manifesting. Anyone who actually watched a state game this season knows it was time for him to go. Hell just watch today's game. It was a perfect example of our putrid season.
I felt a little bad for the guy over the last couple of weeks but those comments are 3/7/2017 7:16:23 PM |
rflong All American 11472 Posts user info edit post |
As everyone has said repeatedly if you reversed seasons 1-6 for Gott, he'd be in good shape. The trajectory of the program is right into the sewer and I've never seen a team quit on a coach like this team. See ya Gott, good luck as an assistant somewhere. Try not to fuck every coed you see. 3/7/2017 7:29:02 PM |
dalecooter All American 524 Posts user info edit post |
The thing that kills me about all the talking heads saying he's done so much here is they are forgetting these past two seasons it's not just missing the NCAA tourney but not even Making the NIT. two years with losing records with the talent we had is just not ok 3/7/2017 9:29:02 PM |
natureboy All American 2803 Posts user info edit post |
On the espn broadcast at the end they were sticking up for him saying that NC State thought he had too much roster turnover but they said this happens to every team now, blah, blah, blah. I don't keep up with every team but I find it hard to believe other ACC teams have had as much turnover as us. 3/7/2017 9:46:54 PM |
DonMega Save TWW 4201 Posts user info edit post |
joe giglio from N&O wrote an article about this yesterday - http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/nc-state/state-now/article136792793.html.
Quote : | "In five recruiting classes between 2012 and 2016, Gottfried has added 20 players out of high school (the total does not include transfers from other Division I schools or junior colleges). Half of those 20 players have left the program early, seven via transfer and three to pursue a pro career (only T.J. Warren, drafted by the Phoenix Suns after his sophomore season in 2014, landed in the NBA).
Only Virginia Tech (11), Wake Forest (10) and Boston College (9) – all three of those programs went through a coaching change during the period – have had more players transfer out. Louisville and Clemson have had the same number of transfers over the same period. " |
[Edited on March 7, 2017 at 10:18 PM. Reason : ]3/7/2017 10:18:13 PM |
tower All American 12280 Posts user info edit post |
they just remove all context from any argument because they're friendly with the coaches and want to get their guy's back. we saw it before with herb, we see it now with gott, listen to any other coach who gets fired with mixed success and its the same refrain
if Gott had even one good, full season instead of 4 years of instability that led into gearing up for tourney runs that even with massive upsets peaked at Conference Semi's and Sweet 16s he'd maybe have bought another year of good will. He hadn't, and as a result when the bottom fell out the last two years his tenure met its deserved end.
All of the talking heads who made fun of us for having to settle for an ESPN anchor are now upset that we want better than an ESPN anchor and took the opportunity to make the upgrade when it presented itself. When you hire a 30 year old you can forgive a bad season because there's the possibility he may learn and improve, and that if you are patient there may be a pay off in the long term. With a guy who has been coaching for 20 years? Nah, he is what he is. That's where we're at and why things are what they are. I don't begrudge the analysts' cynicism, but I can and do reject it. 3/7/2017 10:28:11 PM |
synapse play so hard 60935 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " he took one of the best recruiting classes ncstate has ever had and produced the most disappointing season I can remember as a state fan" |
Quote : | "It was the complete lack of effort and intensity" |
Quote : | "I've never seen a team quit on a coach like this team" |
Yup. He lost the locker room. That's why he got fired imo. Not because of this season's results.
I suspect part of the problem is he can't/didn't want to enforce discipline.
Quote : | " With a guy who has been coaching for 20 years? Nah, he is what he is. That's where we're at and why things are what they are" |
Do you dispute that he has elevated our program???]3/7/2017 11:37:26 PM |
Fry The Stubby 7784 Posts user info edit post |
yeah he elevated the program for a few years
do you dispute that he took it back to the basement for the last two seasons and shows no real sign of it recovering anytime soon? because that's why the dude got canned. 3/8/2017 10:17:12 AM |
GingaNinja All American 7177 Posts user info edit post |
erhmahgerd isn't it shocking no one is lining up to hire this genius coach who went to 4 NCAAs in 6 years what a travesty
[Edited on March 22, 2017 at 12:03 AM. Reason : ] 3/22/2017 12:03:15 AM |
dmspack oh we back 25500 Posts user info edit post |
it's still early...but yeah...same thing when the fans were admonished by the media for not appreciating Herb more. he ultimately failed at ASU and is now coaching at mighty Santa Clara. he doesn't really have the track record of a good coach like we were all told he was when he left here. 3/22/2017 7:51:18 AM |
themayor All American 1473 Posts user info edit post |
That was only going to happen with him picking up some W's at the end of the season, after he was fired & going some distance in the ACC championship. 3/22/2017 8:56:44 AM |
skaterjaws All American 1492 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/19019077/highest-paid-us-employees-dominated-college-football-college-basketball-coaches
good god. Is this correct? Mark is the highest in the entire state for public paid employees? NO FREAKING WAY! 3/31/2017 2:18:37 AM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27825 Posts user info edit post |
Eh, that's a little misleading. The state of NC wasn't paying him $2.5 million a year. His base salary was $760K. The rest was shoe/TV money.
But yeah, he was still the highest paid state employee. Not terribly surprising. 3/31/2017 4:29:58 AM |
dmspack oh we back 25500 Posts user info edit post |
yeah it's only surprising, imo, that it's Gott over Roy. but it's pretty much bound to be either State or UNC's bball or football coach at any given time. 3/31/2017 5:07:58 AM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27825 Posts user info edit post |
Roy actually has a very reasonable contract, all things considered. He's definitely giving UNC a hometown discount. 3/31/2017 5:30:56 AM |
synapse play so hard 60935 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Mark is the highest in the entire state for public paid employees? NO FREAKING WAY" |
Yah that's how it works. Deadspin had a map that showed the highest in each state...Nearly all were college coaches.3/31/2017 8:54:08 AM |
ssclark Black and Proud 14179 Posts user info edit post |
At least it's not the 9mil MI is dropping on Harbaugh 3/31/2017 8:57:36 AM |
Sandman All American 1215 Posts user info edit post |
yea, because that's worked out so poorly for them 3/31/2017 9:12:42 AM |
HCH All American 3895 Posts user info edit post |
I would be willing topay 9 MM of you people's money to win a national championship 3/31/2017 9:13:50 AM |
dmspack oh we back 25500 Posts user info edit post |
^yup 3/31/2017 9:42:46 AM |
ssclark Black and Proud 14179 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "yea, because that's worked out so poorly for them" |
1-1 in bowls... no conference championships...3/31/2017 11:26:10 AM |
JT3bucky All American 23258 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "[quote]WTF happened with the basketball team S&C coaches?
" |
Looks like the "where there's smoke there is fire" cliche still holds true
https://jobs.ncsu.edu/postings/84187
job posting for the S&C for men's BBall...basically they've already got a hire in place just waiting for on the process.3/31/2017 11:33:33 AM |
Sandman All American 1215 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "1-1 in bowls... no conference championships..." |
wow really?
How about immediately making the program nationally relevant again and being in almost every top prospect's top 5 after Brady Hoke crushed the program. Lol no conf championship....you mean behind OSU who was a top 2-3 team in the country both years?
I would give my left nut for ncsu to be harbaugh/michigan3/31/2017 12:57:43 PM |
ncsuallday Sink the Flagship 9818 Posts user info edit post |
Twitter talking about Gott to New Mexico 4/3/2017 4:15:19 PM |
JP All American 16807 Posts user info edit post |
Twitter don't know nothin 4/3/2017 4:34:45 PM |
ncsuallday Sink the Flagship 9818 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.mwcconnection.com/2017/4/1/15146944/new-mexico-basketball-coaching-search-candidates 4/3/2017 5:15:53 PM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27825 Posts user info edit post |
I hope someone guess him, so we have to pay him less. 4/3/2017 7:59:17 PM |
alfredough All American 1121 Posts user info edit post |
I always get UNM mixed up with UNV. Would be hilarious for Gott to take over the year the Martin twins can play again. 4/3/2017 9:14:44 PM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27825 Posts user info edit post |
The fuck is UNV? 4/3/2017 9:19:34 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37671 Posts user info edit post |
Uni of New Vada, duh 4/3/2017 9:21:34 PM |
alfredough All American 1121 Posts user info edit post |
University of Nevada. Didn't feel like typing it out 4/3/2017 9:22:10 PM |
ncsuallday Sink the Flagship 9818 Posts user info edit post |
haha he goes back to the Martin twins like "you can't quit me, bitch" 4/3/2017 9:29:56 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37671 Posts user info edit post |
^^Wait but you said you get them mixed up, like UNV is a thing 4/3/2017 9:36:31 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25500 Posts user info edit post |
but nevada doesn't have an opening 4/3/2017 9:57:15 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37671 Posts user info edit post |
What if Gott was hired by NC State and got reunited with all the players he recruited!?!? Lol so crazy 4/3/2017 10:14:34 PM |
InsiderNCSU New Recruit 42 Posts user info edit post |
^that would be sooo tight, amirite 4/3/2017 11:02:56 PM |
jakis Suspended 1415 Posts user info edit post |
"beard" looks ridiculous
[Edited on April 3, 2017 at 11:18 PM. Reason : 1) talkin bout meeks 2) grant hill is terrible] 4/3/2017 11:06:03 PM |
4howl1 All American 4252 Posts user info edit post |
I once said that Gott was a ground rule double. He turned out to be a game-ending double play.
Three disappointing seasons (2, 5 & 6), two seasons (3 & 4) where we lived up to expectations, and a grossly overachieving first season.
It's pathetic that Virginia and football schools have won four out of the last six ACC titles--not to mention the fact that Notre freaking Dame was within an earshot of a second title in three years--when we were supposed to win it four years ago.
C.J. Leslie was exposed for being the selfish POS he really was--under two coaches, actually--and is in the D-League.
I have the same view of Rodney Purvis that oldtime WWers and alums have of Adam Harrington. He was the hometown player who was supposed to lead State back to the promised land but cut and ran to UConn after his freshman season.
Other than those two pricks, everyone else leaving was beyond inexcusable. Debbie Yow did this school a favor because Gottfried was morphing into Sendek 2.0 with half the fanbase wanting him gone and the other half behind him. 4/4/2017 2:04:20 PM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27825 Posts user info edit post |
Adam Harrington was from Massachusetts 4/4/2017 2:20:52 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25500 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "-when we were supposed to win it four years ago." |
"supposed to win it" is a big overstatement. we underachieved that year, you're right. we were ranked highly. but preseason rankings are shit. if you say Year 1's team grossly overachieved then you have to kinda agree that Year 2 was just grossly overrated. because it was based on year 1's results.
Quote : | " C.J. Leslie was exposed for being the selfish POS he really was--under two coaches, actually--and is in the D-League. " |
this seems pretty harsh and probably not entirely accurate. the reality is CJL just wasn't a great basketball player. saying he's a selfish POS is very unfounded.
no point in rehashing what went wrong...he's been fired and nobody's really defending his results.4/4/2017 3:22:22 PM |
Sandman All American 1215 Posts user info edit post |
Can we lock this up already 4/4/2017 5:24:27 PM |
alfredough All American 1121 Posts user info edit post |
It's been weeks since Gott was let go and still no transfers. Is it still too early to be sure or does this show how much the players like coach K/how little they liked coach G? 4/4/2017 7:14:18 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37671 Posts user info edit post |
Not out of the woods til prob mid summer, after semester is over and kids go home to the local chatter 4/4/2017 7:49:54 PM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27825 Posts user info edit post |
-1 credibility 4/4/2017 7:54:31 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25500 Posts user info edit post |
Nah we're not out of the woods on transfers yet. Still plenty of time for that. 4/4/2017 10:03:51 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37671 Posts user info edit post |
6/23/2017 6:23:07 PM |
wdprice3 BinaryBuffonary 45912 Posts user info edit post |
Well, duh? 6/23/2017 7:45:02 PM |
JayMCnasty All American 14180 Posts user info edit post |
I found Gott. He's an assistant the Mavs D league squad these days 7/6/2017 5:20:48 PM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27825 Posts user info edit post |
why is the screencap of that tweet so goddamn big? 7/6/2017 5:30:04 PM |