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"Do you want me to pull up all the evidence showing that "al-Qaeda" is a hoax?"

does this consist of rought 873 dots that i must connect too? if so...dont bother

ya know what....we are right back to this....prove it....all you have said to me is "connect the dots"

how about you just prove it. i am still waiting for all that "evidence" that you have that will prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that the zionist neocons planned 9/11. show me something that is not a "dot" that i have connect with 1000 other "dots" to see this conspiracy

and dont go saying that the evidence is right in front of me and since i cant see it im a sheep to the jew controlled media and the zionist neo-cons. where is the proof??

[Edited on April 21, 2006 at 1:06 PM. Reason : asdf]

[Edited on April 21, 2006 at 1:06 PM. Reason : asdf]

4/21/2006 1:05:55 PM

Quote :

"Do you want me to pull up all the evidence showing that "al-Qaeda" is a hoax?"

Quote :

"does this consist of rought 873 dots that i must connect too? if so...dont bother"

THE "AL-QAEDA" THREAT AND "THE WAR ON TERROR" ARE FRAUDS


Former U.K. Environmental Minister Michael Meacher: "This War on Terrorism is Bogus"
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1036687,00.html
cached: http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0906-01.htm


Russian Intelligence Chief Says Al-Qaeda a Myth
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/03/21/shebarsh.shtml

Quote :

"U.S. Using Anti-Terror War to Gain World Oil Reserves — Soviet Intelligence Chief MosNews March 21 2005 On the pretext of fighting international terrorism the United States is trying to establish control over the world’s richest oil reserves, Leonid Shebarshin, ex-chief of the Soviet Foreign Intelligence Service, who heads the Russian National Economic Security Service consulting company, said in an interview for the Vremya Novostei newspaper. Using the anti-terrorist cause as a cover the United States has occupied Afghanistan, Iraq and will soon move to impose their “democratic order” on the Greater Middle East, Shebarshin said. “The U.S. has usurped the right to attack any part of the globe on the pretext of fighting the terrorist threat,” Shebarshin said. Referring to his meeting with an unnamed al-Qaeda expert at the Rand Corporation, a nonprofit research organization in the U.S., Shebarshin said: “We have agreed that [al-Qaeda] is not a group but a notion.” “The fight against that all-mighty ubiquitous myth deliberately linked to Islam is of great advantage for the Americans as it targets the oil-rich Muslim regions,” Shebarshin emphasized. With military bases in Afghanistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan, Shebarshin said, the United States has already established control over the Caspian region — one of the world’s largest oil reservoirs.""

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Brigadier-shocks-and-awes-there-is-no-war-on-terrorism/2005/04/26/1114462041971.html

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"Brigadier shocks and awes: there is no war on terrorism By Cynthia Banham, Defence Reporter April 27, 2005 The so-called global war on terrorism does not exist, a high-ranking army officer has declared in a speech that challenges the conventional political wisdom. In a frank speech, Brigadier Justin Kelly dismissed several of the central tenets of the Iraq war and the war on terrorism, saying the "war" part is all about politics and terrorism is merely a tactic."

Founder of Delta Force: "There is no real threat to the US in the world", "Bush has formented world war three"
http://www.dailynews.com/ontv/ci_3641046

Quote :

"Our military is completely consumed, so were there a real threat - thankfully, there is no real threat to the U.S. in the world, but were there one, we couldn't confront it. "

The BBC aired a three-hour documentary called The Power of Nightmares: The Rise of the Politics of Fear, which argues that the threat of a vast and centralized "Al-Qaeda" network is largely a fantasy, and has been exaggerated by governments for the purpose of advancing their own agendas.

LA Times article on the documentary: "Is Al Qaeda Just a Bush Boogeyman?"
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0111-31.htm

Download the documentary here:
http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares

4/21/2006 1:12:25 PM

ok...is that or is that not a few peoples opinion??

and what the heck dude? none of that is evedence. all of that is just some people saying "hey, we dont think al-queda exits" and people saying "we think bush made them up"...fine ...good for them...none of that is evidence

[Edited on April 21, 2006 at 1:36 PM. Reason : asdf]

4/21/2006 1:34:31 PM

Quote :

"none of that is evidence"

Wait! I found some evidence that al-Qaeda exists! Sharon said "al-Qaeda" members were in Gaza and Lebanon:

http://www.smh.com.au/cgi-bin/common/popupPrintArticle.pl?path=/articles/2002/12/07/1038950239070.html

Quote :

"Palestinians arrest al-Qaeda 'poseurs' December 8 2002 Palestinian security forces have arrested a group of Palestinians for collaborating with Israel and posing as operatives of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terrorist network, a senior official said yesterday. The arrests come two days after Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon charged al-Qaeda militants were operating in Gaza and in Lebanon. "The Palestinian Authority arrested a group of collaborators who confessed they were working for Israel, posing as al-Qaeda operatives in the Palestinian territories," said the official, on condition of anonymity."

Oh, my bad. It was really an ISRAELI-CREATED PHONY "Al-Qaeda" group.

4/21/2006 1:58:11 PM

so...

"this proves al-queda does not exist!!"

no...it doenst.,...and you know it..thats why you keep posing the SAME articles over and over and over again

4/21/2006 2:08:07 PM

Why would Zionist Israel create phony "al-Qaeda" groups?

4/21/2006 2:09:37 PM

ummm....to make the US hate arabs

got that part

and why on EARTH would i believe an unnamed official speaking un condition of annonymity??

palestinians have LOTS more cause to lie than israel does....good try

[Edited on April 21, 2006 at 2:21 PM. Reason : asdf]

4/21/2006 2:10:59 PM

we know the warror on terror is bullshit, and that iraq has nothing to do with preventing terror. that has nothing to do with this topic. it might be proof that the president wanted to invade iraq before 2001, but nothing else.

4/21/2006 2:34:39 PM

Quote :

"palestinians have LOTS more cause to lie than israel does"

And why do you say that? Because the guvmint told you that Arabs/Muslims are "bad", and Israel is "good" and is our "ally"?

You don't think Zionist Israel could lie, or attack us? Ever heard about the Lavon Affair or the 1967 attack on the U.S.S. Liberty?

4/21/2006 2:37:52 PM

Quote :

" If Osama bin Laden does, in fact, head a vast international terrorist organization with trained operatives in more than 40 countries, as claimed by Bush, why, despite torture of prisoners, has this administration failed to produce hard evidence of it? • How can it be that in Britain since 9/11, 664 people have been detained on suspicion of terrorism but only 17 have been found guilty, most of them with no connection to Islamist groups and none who were proven members of Al Qaeda? • Why have we heard so much frightening talk about "dirty bombs" when experts say it is panic rather than radioactivity that would kill people? • Why did Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld claim on "Meet the Press" in 2001 that Al Qaeda controlled massive high-tech cave complexes in Afghanistan, when British and U.S. military forces later found no such thing?"

that is from your article, and all it is is an indictment of our "intelligence" and our methods in the war on terror. NOTHING from the above proves that we have no proof that there is no al qaeda.

guess what, if the plot to hijack the planes was known by 5 people within al qaeda and the operatives that carried it out, and we have failed to find those 5 people still alive we would have no evidence of the plot. do you see how a real conspiracy works now?

4/21/2006 2:39:22 PM

Quote :

"Ever heard about the Lavon Affair or the 1967 attack on the U.S.S. Liberty? "

yes, you arrogant jerk. try to remember that the rest of us are just as informed and as educated as you.

4/21/2006 2:53:46 PM

Quote :

"yes, you arrogant jerk. try to remember that the rest of us are just as informed and as educated as you."

Ok. Now can you understand the significance of those two incidents?

Do not the Lavon Affair and the 1967 Israeli attack on the U.S.S. Liberty clearly demonstrate that Zionist "Israel" has a track record for carrying out "false flag" operations, where they plot to attack the United States and then blame it on Arabs/muslims?


And for anyone who doesn't know what the Lavon Affair is:

THE LAVON AFFAIR: 1954 ISRAELI FALSE FLAG ATTACK IN EGYPT; AN ISRAELI SCHEME TO BOMB AMERICAN AND BRITISH BUILDINGS AND ATTEMPT TO FRAME ARABS


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

Quote :

"The Lavon Affair refers to the scandal over a failed Israeli covert operation in Egypt known as Operation Suzannah, in which U.S. and U.K. targets in Egypt were bombed and evidence left implicating the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood; a textbook example of a false flag operation. It became known as the Lavon Affair after the Israeli defense minister Pinhas Lavon, who was forced to resign because of the incident..."

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/lavon.html

Quote :

"In 1954, Israeli agents working in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including a United States diplomatic facility, and left evidence behind implicating Arabs as the culprits. The ruse would have worked, had not one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to capture and identify one of the bombers, which in turn led to the round up of an Israeli spy ring. Some of the spies were from Israel, while others were recruited from the local Jewish population. Israel responded to the scandal with claims in the media that there was no spy ring, that it was all a hoax perpetrated by "anti-Semites". But as the public trial progressed, it was evident that Israel had indeed been behind the bombing. Eventually, Israeli's Defense Minister Pinhas Lavon was brought down by the scandal, although it appears that he was himself the victim of a frame-up by the real authors of the bombing project, code named "Operation Susannah." It is therefore a fact that Israel has a prior history of setting off bombs with the intent to blame Arabs for them. This is not the only example of a "False Flag" operation designed to trick the United States into attacking Israel's enemies. According to Victor Ostrovsky, a Mossad defector now living in Canada, Ronald Reagan was tricked into bombing Libya by means of a radio transmitter smuggled into Tripoli by the Mossad, which broadcast messages designed to fool the United States into thinking Libya was about to launch a massive terror attack on the west. [...] More recently, Captain Ward Boston, who served as senior legal counsel for the Navy's Court of Inquiry into the Israeli attack on USS Liberty, has come forward to report that the Court of Inquiry was ORDERED to conclude that the attack was an accident by President Lyndon Johnson. In hindsight, given the use of unmarked aircraft and boats by Israel during the actual attack, it appears that Israel intended to sink the US ship and frame Egypt for the attack, tricking the US into the war against Egypt."

The Lavon Affair....the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty...

Add 9/11 to that list of classic Zionist false flag attacks.


Admission from Jewish Source that it was an Israeli False Flag Op:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/lavon.html

Quote :

"This week we will be discussing a spy story in Israel's early years that left a nasty mark on the young state, with reverberations for the following 20 years. It was called the "Lavon Affair," after Defense Minister Pinhas Lavon, "Esek HaBish" or "The Mishap". It revolved around nearly a dozen highly dedicated young Egyptian Jews who were asked, and agreed to spy for Israel against the country in which they were born."

This article is a whitewash of the incident and tries to paint the Israeli spies/bombers as the victims. It tries to portray the entire incident as just "spying" for Israel. They leave out the whole part about BOMBING BUILDINGS in the opening portion of the article, and the mentioning of the bombings is buried later in the article.


Oh, and bombing buildings....doesn't that seem to be a theme here as the choice in Zionist false flag attacks?


[Edited on April 21, 2006 at 3:22 PM. Reason : ``````````]

4/21/2006 3:19:30 PM

Ironically, salisburyboy had reply # 911.

4/21/2006 3:25:32 PM

dude....yes..i understand EXACTLY what happened in those two incidents.

and i understand EXACTLY what you are implying.

AND YOU HAVE ZERO solid evidence that israel...as a government...had anything to do with 9/11. admit it...all you have is the opinion of a few people.


this is more of the same crap...again i say ...

PROVE IT SALISBURY. YOU HAVE PROVIDED ZERO FACTUAL, RELIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY OF THIS CONSPIRACY IS FOR REAL




[Edited on April 21, 2006 at 3:40 PM. Reason : asdf]

4/21/2006 3:39:19 PM

Quote :

"PROVE IT SALISBURY. YOU HAVE PROVIDED ZERO FACTUAL, RELIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY OF THIS CONSPIRACY IS FOR REAL "

Wow. Denial 101.

4/21/2006 3:43:01 PM

Quote :

"Wow. Denial 101."

wow dude. stop denyin the truth.

4/21/2006 3:43:51 PM

And for anyone who doesn't know about the Israeli attack on the U.S.S. Liberty:


1967 ISRAELI ATTACK ON THE U.S.S LIBERTY AND THE ENSUING COVER-UP: PROOF OF ZIONIST CONTROL OVER U.S. GOVERNMENT GOING BACK TO 1967. ATTEMPTED "FALSE-FLAG" ATTACK?

Summary

The Israeli attack on the U.S.S. Liberty is one of the most stunning and defining events in American history, demonstrating the Zionist control over the U.S. Government, and their use of "false-flag" attacks where they carry out attacks and blame their enemies.

On June 8, 1967, in the midst of the Israeli-Arab "Six-Day War", the Israeli military deliberately attacked the U.S.S. Liberty, an unarmed reconnaissance and intelligence ship of the U.S. Navy, which was prominently flying a large American flag in the waters of the Mediterranean Sea off the coast of Gaza. The Israeli assault occurred over a two-hour span, and consisted of rocket, cannon, and napalm bombing from fighter jets, torpedo boat attacks, and machine gun fire from Israeli warships. In all, 34 American sailors were killed and 173 wounded.

It is stunning enough that our supposed "ally" Israel would intentionally attack the United States, but the ensuing cover-up of the incident is even more astounding. The White House and Congress immediately accepted Israel's claim that it was an "accident", and worked to cover-up the incident. Later, President Lyndon Johnson and defense secretary Robert McNamara ordered that the military investigation into the attack conclude the incident was an "accident." And, to this day, the mainstream media has suppressed the incident.

Why would Israel deliberately attack the U.S.S. Liberty? The most likely goal was to blame the attack on Egypt and draw the United States into the Israeli-Arab conflict on the side of Israel. The only problem was that they failed to sink the ship and kill all the sailors, thus preventing them from carrying out the plan. Another possible motivation could have been because the Liberty had gathered information disadvantageous to Israel, including Israeli plans to invade Syria the next day and that Israel had initiated the war and attacked Egypt first.


Lyndon Johnson Ordered Cover-Up of Israeli Attack on USS Liberty
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/23/national/main579649.shtml

Quote :

"Did LBJ Cover For Israel? WASHINGTON, Oct. 23, 2003 (AP) A former Navy attorney who helped lead the military investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed 34 American servicemen says former President Lyndon Johnson and his defense secretary, Robert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry conclude the incident was an accident. [...] It was "one of the classic all-American cover-ups," said Ret. Adm. Thomas Moorer, a former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman who spent a year investigating the attack as part of an independent panel he formed with other former military officials. [...] Moorer's panel suggested several possible reasons Israel might have wanted to attack a U.S. ship. Among them: Israel intended to sink the ship and blame Egypt because it might have brought the United States into the 1967 war."

'The USS Liberty': America's Most Shameful Secret
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.html

Washington’s Fateful Cover-Up of Israel’s Attack on the USS Liberty
http://www.washington-report.org/archives/August_2005/0508016.html

Archive on USS Liberty Cover-up
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ussliberty.html


So, Zionist Israel can attack a U.S. Naval Ship, kill 34 and wound 173 American sailors, then the whole thing gets covered up, and it's supposed to be "no big deal"?. Compare this to 9/11, where 5 Israeli Mossad agents are arrested after seen filming the WTC attack and celebrating, and around 200 Israeli spies are detained around 9/11 in connection to the 9/11 attacks. But, like the U.S.S. Liberty incident, the incidents are covered-up and the information is suppressed.

Who can deny that Zionist "Israel" would attack the U.S.? Who can deny the Zionist control over our government?

4/21/2006 3:48:58 PM

aaaaaaaand again...what have we accomplished by that?? NOTHING...well done salis

Quote :

"Who can deny that Zionist "Israel" would attack the U.S.? Who can deny the Zionist control over our government?"

oohhh oohohh...me!!...i would!!!

[Edited on April 21, 2006 at 3:51 PM. Reason : asdf]

4/21/2006 3:50:22 PM

Salisburyboy, I actually click on your links to read them for myself rather than reading what you choose to paste out of context. Neither Brigadier Justin Kelly nor Eric Haney ever say that al Qaeda doesn't exist.

Quote :

"WTC Building 7 did NOT have "significant structural damage." It was located about a block away from the twin towers, and was much further away from the twin towers than other buildings (that were right beside the towers) that did not collapse."

Well, yeah, it did. You have never explained why they would want to destroy WTC 7 anyway. It wasn't heavily reported on 9/11 nor did it create any casualties.

Quote :

"First off, the Popular Mechanics hit piece is garbage. The entire article was a straw man exercise, and they back up their claims with no real evidence. And here, they admit they are "hypothesizing" about the cause of WTC 7's collapse."

Why (other than the fact that it doesn't support you) is it garbage? Yes, there is evidence - in fact, more than you have provided. Why is it any worse than all of the hypothesizing that you do here?

Quote :

"And the NIST may allege that it was severely damaged by large pieces of steel ejected from the North Tower, but there is no verifiable evidence of this."

Where is the verifiable evidence to back up your allegations? A blurry picture?

Again:

Also, could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me. Why won't you answer them?

Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan? They were set to build a natural gas pipeline with the Taliban then. Why mess that up for no reason?

You don't believe that Afghanistan was invaded for the sake of a pipeline? Then why are you defending that theory so stubbornly?

You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?

By the way, how did the zionists cause the US Civil War and the Revolutionary War?

I would also like to see some proof that Pearl Harbor was caused by the evil edomite zionists.

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Here are some rich jews!"

So why should anyone believe your rantings anyway You have admitted that you hate jews. As such, you are far from an impartial source when you blame jews for every problem in the world.

Why is it spamming if I repeat unanswered questions, but it's ok for you to repost the same article in the same thread five times?

[Edited on April 21, 2006 at 3:52 PM. Reason : 666]

4/21/2006 3:51:00 PM

Quote :

"Once again, Mr. Joshua is spamming the thread with trivial questions, snide comments, and issues that have already been addressed....in order to try to distract and direct the discussion away from the evidence disproving his position on the issue."

Quote :

"You have never explained why they would want to destroy WTC 7 anyway. [...] Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan?"

A lot of your questions (eg, those above), Mr. Joshua, fall under this tactic:

Quote :

"Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression 12) Require the skeptics to solve the crime completely. For example: If Vince Foster was murdered, who did it and why? http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2005/290405truthsuppression.htm "

Quote :

"Disinformation Rule 14 Demand complete solutions Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best with issues qualifying for rule 10. Example: 'Since you know so much, if James Earl Ray is as innocent as you claim, who really killed Martin Luther King, how was it planned and executed, how did they frame Ray and fool the FBI, and why?' Proper response: You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. It is not necessary to completely resolve any full matter in order to examine any relative attached issue. Discussion of any evidence of Ray's innocence can stand alone to serve truth, and any alternative solution to the crime, while it may bolster that truth, can also stand alone. Why do you refuse to address the issues by use of such disinformation tactics? http://www.911review.org/Wiki/DisinformationRule14.shtml"

Mr Joshua, your "argument" seems to be that because I don't know every detail of the Zionists' plans, or can't explain every detail of their thinking and motives...that there was no Zionist conspiracy behind 9/11, and there are no Zionist conspiracies in general. Is that about right?

4/21/2006 4:05:25 PM

i do believe that salisburyboy is basically admitting defeat with relation to Mr. Joshua's questions? is that about right??

4/21/2006 4:15:16 PM

Quote :

"If Vince Foster was murdered, who did it and why?"

thats their best offering?
honestly?

edit- actually he is saying that there are a ton of counter examples you have completely failed to account for.

[Edited on April 21, 2006 at 4:18 PM. Reason : edit]

4/21/2006 4:17:17 PM

I'm not making an argument. I'm not asking you to explain it all. I just want you to explain the glaring contradictions and to back up the wild claims that you have mentions in passing as facts. You have now spent 7+ pages making excuses to not answer a few questions rather than putting them to rest with a single post. Instead you become hostile, make excuses and stall.

Again:

Also, could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me. Why won't you answer them?

Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan? They were set to build a natural gas pipeline with the Taliban then. Why mess that up for no reason?

You don't believe that Afghanistan was invaded for the sake of a pipeline? Then why are you defending that theory so stubbornly?

You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?

By the way, how did the zionists cause the US Civil War and the Revolutionary War?

I would also like to see some proof that Pearl Harbor was caused by the evil edomite zionists.

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Here are some rich jews!"

So why should anyone believe your rantings anyway You have admitted that you hate jews. As such, you are far from an impartial source when you blame jews for every problem in the world.

Why is it spamming if I repeat unanswered questions, but it's ok for you to repost the same article in the same thread five times?

4/21/2006 4:35:13 PM

Quote :

"Once again, Mr. Joshua is spamming the thread with trivial questions, snide comments, and issues that have already been addressed....in order to try to distract and direct the discussion away from the evidence disproving his position on the issue."

Quote :

"You have never explained why they would want to destroy WTC 7 anyway. [...] Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan?"

A lot of your questions (eg, those above), Mr. Joshua, fall under this tactic:

Quote :

"Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression 12) Require the skeptics to solve the crime completely. For example: If Vince Foster was murdered, who did it and why? http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2005/290405truthsuppression.htm "

Quote :

"Disinformation Rule 14 Demand complete solutions Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best with issues qualifying for rule 10. Example: 'Since you know so much, if James Earl Ray is as innocent as you claim, who really killed Martin Luther King, how was it planned and executed, how did they frame Ray and fool the FBI, and why?' Proper response: You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. It is not necessary to completely resolve any full matter in order to examine any relative attached issue. Discussion of any evidence of Ray's innocence can stand alone to serve truth, and any alternative solution to the crime, while it may bolster that truth, can also stand alone. Why do you refuse to address the issues by use of such disinformation tactics? http://www.911review.org/Wiki/DisinformationRule14.shtml"

Mr Joshua, your "argument" seems to be that because I don't know every detail of the Zionists' plans, or can't explain every detail of their thinking and motives...that there was no Zionist conspiracy behind 9/11, and there are no Zionist conspiracies in general. Is that about right?


And let me remind everyone where I have responded 3 times already to a question Mr. Joshua continues to ask.

Quote :

"You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built...."

Quote :

"FALSE. I never said that. And you cannot find an "explicit" statement where I did say that. You are putting words in my mouth again, even after I have made myself more than clear."

Quote :

"I never said that the elite want the pipeline built right now. I simply stated that Afghanistan was crucial (as a location) for the building of such a pipeline. Again, this is all about CONTROL of the oil resources, including being able to manipulate the supply levels to control price and profits. Perhaps they don't want the pipeline built for now. And perhaps they would like to build it, but cannot due to the current chaotic situation inside Afghanistan or for other reasons."

Even though I had responded to that question 3 TIMES before, you continue to ask it.

This conclusively shows you are trolling me and are trying to distract me.

Quote :

"You have now spent 7+ pages making excuses to not answer a few questions rather than putting them to rest with a single post"

I'm not going to waste a lot of time responding to your "questions" when you are SO CLEARLY trollling me and trying to distract me (including continually asking questions I've responded to 3 times). If you have shown that you will continue to ask questions even after I have responded to them 3 times, why should I take you seriously or respond to your other questions?


[Edited on April 21, 2006 at 4:55 PM. Reason : ``````````]

4/21/2006 4:51:23 PM

dude...the question is...if he has to ask questions three times and you STILL wont respond to them...why should ANYONE take you seriously??


not only have you not responded to his questions...you havent done what i asked either. All i asked you to do was to show me some indisputable proof that Israel and Zionist neo-cons were responsible for 9/11. You have yet to do that. Why is that??

4/21/2006 5:07:26 PM

You missed the rest of the question.....again. But go ahead and cling to your one excuse...

Quote :

"You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?"

I'm not asking you to explain it all. I just want you to explain the glaring contradictions and to back up the wild claims that you have mentioned in passing as facts. You have now spent 7+ pages making excuses to not answer a few questions rather than putting them to rest with a single post. Instead you become hostile, make excuses and stall. Why can't you answer them?

Again:

Also, could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me. Why won't you answer them?

Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan? They were set to build a natural gas pipeline with the Taliban then. Why mess that up for no reason?

You don't believe that Afghanistan was invaded for the sake of a pipeline? Then why are you defending that theory so stubbornly?

You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?

By the way, how did the zionists cause the US Civil War and the Revolutionary War?

I would also like to see some proof that Pearl Harbor was caused by the evil edomite zionists.

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Here are some rich jews!"

So why should anyone believe your rantings anyway You have admitted that you hate jews. As such, you are far from an impartial source when you blame jews for every problem in the world.

Why is it spamming if I repeat unanswered questions, but it's ok for you to repost the same article in the same thread five times?

[Edited on April 21, 2006 at 7:01 PM. Reason : 666]

4/21/2006 7:00:38 PM

i would just accept the fact that he is not gonna answer these questions since he truly feels that they are distracting for whatever reason.

4/21/2006 7:05:28 PM

THIS FUCKIN' GUY

4/23/2006 12:02:31 PM

It would be funnier if you bumped it as overthrower.

4/23/2006 12:13:20 PM

So Woodfoot is "overthrower"? Thanks for the info.

4/24/2006 8:13:47 AM

way to ignore the questions and still bump the thread.

if these questions were already answered, since i cant find them would you be so kind as to provide links to whichever posts you are talking about?

or are you gonna post more bullshit articles instead?

4/24/2006 8:38:14 AM

THERMITE EXPLOSIVES USED TO BRING DOWN WTC TOWERS?


Look at the the steel column that has been cut diagonally in the photo below:

Quote :

"Posted By: ChristopherBollyn There is substantial evidence that thermite was used to cut the central support columns, which caused the towers to fall. Evidence can be seen on photographs of the columns from the rubble of the World Trade Center. In this photo, for example, the column directly above the fireman's helmet shows that it was cut with thermite. There is a substantial amount of hardened molten iron which can be seen on both the inside and outside of the box column. This is precisely what one would expect to find on a column which had been cut with thermite. Experts who have viewed this photograph say that this column was not cut with a torch. http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=87932"

BYU Physicist believes thermite was used to bring down WTC towers
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635198488,00.html

Quote :

"Jones said a piece of building wreckage had a gray substance on the outside that at one point had obviously been a dripping molten metal or liquid. He said that after thermite turns steel or iron into a molten form, and the metal hardens, it is gray."

4/24/2006 9:01:42 AM

where is there evidence that woodfoot is overthrower? i havent seen any posted.

4/24/2006 9:01:51 AM

Quote :

"where is there evidence that woodfoot is overthrower? i havent seen any posted."

Notice where Woodfoot bumped the thread after it had not been posted in for almost 2 full days (ie, see post from 4/23/2006 12:02:31 PM).

Then notice spöokyjon's response to Woodfoot's bump:

Quote :

""It would be funnier if you bumped it as overthrower."

4/24/2006 9:14:55 AM

in salisbury's world of schizo that's all the proof you need!

HANG HIM!

4/24/2006 9:22:26 AM

spöokyjon just said that Woodfoot was overthrower

[Edited on April 24, 2006 at 10:21 AM. Reason : .]

4/24/2006 10:20:50 AM

oh this just took a direction to the funny

LETS SEE WHERE YOU GO WITH THIS

4/24/2006 10:57:03 AM

THERMITE EXPLOSIVES USED TO BRING DOWN WTC TOWERS? VIDEO SHOWS BRIGHT YELLOW MOLTEN SUBSTANCE DRIPPING FROM SOUTH TOWER JUST BEFORE COLLAPSE

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/240406thermiteidentified.htm

Quote :

"Thermite Identified As Culprit Of WTC Collapse Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | April 24 2006 A new branch of 9/11 research claims to have identified the cause of the collapse of the twin towers. The photographic and video evidence makes a very strong case for thermite being responsible for the unprecedented implosions of steel framed reinforced buildings on September 11 [...] Jones points to a video which shows a bright yellow molten substance dripping from the south tower minutes before its collapse. Government investigators claimed that this was aluminum from Flight 175 but Jones is adamant that aluminum is silvery in appearance and doesn't turn yellow."

Video showing yellow molten substance dripping from the South Tower just before collapse
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2991254740145858863&q=cameraplanet%2B9/11

Quote :

"...video showed a yellow, molten substance splashing off the side of the south Trade Tower about 50 minutes after an airplane hit it and a few minutes before it collapsed. Government investigators ruled out the possibility of melting steel being the source of the material because of the unlikelihood of steel melting. The investigators said the molten material must have been aluminum from the plane. But, said Jones, molten aluminum is silvery. It never turns yellow. The substance observed in the videos "just isn't aluminum," he said. But, he said, thermite can cause steel to melt and become yellowish. http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635198488,00.html"

4/24/2006 11:03:09 AM

OH SHIT
THE T-1000 DID IT

4/24/2006 11:03:41 AM

how would alex jones know that it was thermit!?!?!?...he must be trying to shift blame from himself....he is responsible

and for real, salis....stop posting as overthrower...everyone knows

4/24/2006 11:18:25 AM

Quote :

"how would alex jones know that it was thermit!?!?!?...he must be trying to shift blame from himself....he is responsible"

Are you confusing Alex Jones with BYU Physics Professor Steven Jones (whom the prisonplanet article is referring to as the expert on thermite)?

Quote :

"and for real, salis....stop posting as overthrower...everyone knows"

What everybody (including theDuke866) knows is that "overthrower" is NOT me. It's clearly someone trying to impersonate and/or parody me. And it's probably Woodfoot (based upon spookyjon's comment above).


[Edited on April 24, 2006 at 11:25 AM. Reason : ````````]

4/24/2006 11:24:30 AM

yes, because spookyjon is a clairvoyant in the alias arena

4/24/2006 11:28:34 AM

There's somebody at work thats about as full of shit as salisburyboy

4/24/2006 12:17:32 PM

I LIKE THAT THIS GUY THINKS ANYONE WHO COULD EVER AGREE WITH HIM IS A PARODY

THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT YOUR "THEORIES"

THIS FUCKIN' GUY

4/24/2006 12:21:24 PM

so you guys don't want to talk about the evidence or substantive issues related to 9/11

you'd rather discuss Woodfoot's alias and his pathetic attempts to parody/mock/impersonate me

interesting

4/24/2006 12:23:22 PM

hey salisbury, are you going to come out and protest the holocaust rememberance hillel has going on this week?

and im pretty sure overthrower is mr joshua or jonhguth.

4/24/2006 12:36:30 PM

once again

you're using faulty evidence to make a stupid claim

4/24/2006 1:25:17 PM

Quote :

"so you guys don't want to talk about the evidence or substantive issues related to 9/11"

I do. I really do. You are the one avoiding discussion.

I'm not asking you to explain it all. I just want you to explain the glaring contradictions and to back up the wild claims that you have mentioned in passing as facts. You have now spent 7+ pages making excuses to not answer a few questions rather than putting them to rest with a single post. Instead you become hostile, make excuses and stall. Why can't you answer them?

Again:

Also, could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me. Why won't you answer them?

Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan? They were set to build a natural gas pipeline with the Taliban then. Why mess that up for no reason?

You don't believe that Afghanistan was invaded for the sake of a pipeline? Then why are you defending that theory so stubbornly?

You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?

By the way, how did the zionists cause the US Civil War and the Revolutionary War?

I would also like to see some proof that Pearl Harbor was caused by the evil edomite zionists.

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Here are some rich jews!"

So why should anyone believe your rantings anyway You have admitted that you hate jews. As such, you are far from an impartial source when you blame jews for every problem in the world.

Why is it spamming if I repeat unanswered questions, but it's ok for you to repost the same article in the same thread five times?

4/24/2006 1:28:03 PM

Here is some more information about how BYU has tried to slander the physics professor.
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/38233.htm

Quote :

"BYU Brass Discredit Physics Professor for Saying WTC Brought Down by Controlled Demolition Professor Steven E. Jones only was in the public eye for five days before BYU told him to stop giving interviews. Now the university has issued a public statement distancing itself from Jones and even discrediting his work. Critics suggest Bush administration had its dirty hand in forcing BYU to 'shut up' its professor. 29 Nov 2005 By Greg Szymanski Brigham Young University (BYU) issued a public statement this week, discrediting and distancing itself from physics Professor Steven E. Jones for publicly claiming the WTC was brought down by explosives not jet fuel like the government contends. Jones, a tenured BYU professor, went public two weeks ago after releasing a 19 page academic paper, essentially showing how the laws of physics do not support the WTC’s freefall and, consequently, the official government story. While expressing doubt about the government’s version of 9/11, he called for an independent investigation concerning the strange collapse of the towers and Building No. 7, something the 9/11 Commission failed to do and something the Bush administration adamantly opposes. However, Jones’ notoriety turned out to be short lived as only days after giving numerous press interviews, including a six-minute spot on MSNBC, BYU officials twisted his arm and convinced him to stop appearing publicly. Critics quickly pointed out that Jones must have been ‘silenced quickly’ after the Bush administration pressured BYU to end any further embarrassment while, at the same time, reminding officials about the numerous government grants swinging in the balance. But before the situation turned ugly, Jones himself tried to immediately end the controversy, claiming all parties reached an amicable agreement without anybody strong arming anybody. “I want to thank everyone for the attention, but it is best that I limit my appearances at this time,” said Jones in a telephone conversation from his BYU office only five days after first appearing publicly about his controversial 9/1 statements. “University officials and I have come to an understanding that in the best interest for all parties involved, it is better that I limit my speaking on 9/11 to academic peer reviews.”"

I thought this was too good to be true. A prominent physics professor speaking out that the official story on the WTC tower collapse is bogus. The elite and the government couldn't allow that to go on much longer. If so, more and more in the academic world would start to speak out and pretty soon a mass movement to discredit the official story on 9/11 would explode. They had to nip this in the butt.

4/24/2006 1:28:07 PM

Quote :

"Critics quickly pointed out that Jones must have been ‘silenced quickly’ after the Bush administration pressured BYU to end any further embarrassment while, at the same time, reminding officials about the numerous government grants swinging in the balance."

Proof?

Evidence?

Cheese?

4/24/2006 1:30:10 PM