Yeah, I saw it was 5-3 going into the 9th. Looked again and it was 8-3. I didn't even need to look up who threw. F'n waste of space right there.

7/2/2008 7:49:03 AM

When did Frenchy start to suck ass balls? I thought he was going to be good, but he has regressed like crazy... a .290 obp and sub .400 slg ain't gonna cut it...

7/2/2008 3:05:32 PM

too much getting crunk in Buckhead...

7/2/2008 3:13:43 PM

he said he came back like 20 pounds stronger too. i was hoping for like .270-.290, 30+ HR... he's had a horrible last 2 or so weeks, dropped from an already low .255 BA to .239 now. Maybe he'll have a decent 2nd half

7/2/2008 3:38:32 PM

Didn't he use to be clutch? For some reason I remember him being one of the best two out hitters in baseball last year. Watching him play this year makes me believe that can't be right.

I couldn't find current stats but as of June 19 he was hitting .226 (19-for-84) with runners in scoring position this season, and has just two hits in 18 at-bats with the bases loaded.

[Edited on July 2, 2008 at 4:37 PM. Reason : was]

7/2/2008 4:36:28 PM

someone had to pick up the offensive slackness when Andruw left town.

7/2/2008 5:01:33 PM

Honestly I think he is putting too much pressure on himself.

But maybe now that we are starting to get healthy we will start playing better...

For the most part our pitching isn't bad.

7/2/2008 5:14:10 PM

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"Didn't he use to be clutch? For some reason I remember him being one of the best two out hitters in baseball last year."

For what it's worth, his 2 out, RISP stats

2007: .333/.408/.494
2008: .256/.304/.372
career: .301/.360/.479

and RISP, any number of outs:

2007: .341/.389/.527
2008: .206/.269/.330
career: .308/.360/.496

His numbers are down across the board, though.

From early in his career, most prognosticators saw Francoeur as an extreme hit-or-miss (no pun intended) prospect. He was either going to be great, or he was going to be Xavier Nady. I think his defense is worth giving him every chance to find his swing again and Cox is notoriously loyal to his players. But another year of this crap and he'll be a National.

7/2/2008 6:46:54 PM

the whole team sucks

7/2/2008 8:28:40 PM

come on Jair... must win?


well, that didnt take too long

[Edited on July 3, 2008 at 7:15 PM. Reason : d]

7/3/2008 7:10:22 PM

fuck this team. jesus christ, terrible fucking offense

7/3/2008 10:10:24 PM

Is it too early for the 2009 thread?

7/4/2008 12:36:46 AM

my paypal is nym410

just letting you know, ernie and jaybee

7/4/2008 1:52:42 AM

at least we didn't fire our manager before the all-star break

7/4/2008 1:54:34 AM

sick burn

seriously, both teams suck horsecock... the mets just suck less for the moment.

7/4/2008 1:55:56 AM

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"When did Frenchy start to suck ass balls"

I called it 2 years ago when he broke the bigs

check the thread dedicatd to him

again I am dead on in my talent evaluation

7/4/2008 2:01:54 AM

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edit post im just saying its premature to jump on the kid's bandwagon, he has a lot to learn still and pitchers will begin to figure him out. I think he's gonna be a great player in the future, i just think he's gonna struggle the rest of the year. Next year i wouldnt be surprised if he hit 30hr though, but his eye and patience has to improve. he struck out 76 times in 84 AA games this year. There is a reason why corey patterson got sent down, he had the same type of #s Francoeur has had his first real call up, but he didnt improve his OBP and his K #s. Just something to watch for.

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I agree. I could probably strike out francouer. He'll learn. He's got a lot of raw talent.

4/24/2006 11:20:42 PM
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I still think andy marte will have a better career


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Is Marte in pro baseball anymore? But you were mostly right..

[Edited on July 4, 2008 at 2:08 AM. Reason : lol at the corey patterson reference... b/c that is who I think of when I see Frenchy hack at slop]

7/4/2008 2:08:03 AM

It would be nice if the Braves Shop would accept a return on the Francoeur shirt I bought his rookie season. I could put that money towards the $25 I'm going to owe NY4MEN; two birds, one stone.

7/4/2008 2:25:10 AM

haha yea i whiffed on marte

he's in the indians organization if i recall

7/4/2008 2:33:21 AM

I think everyone whiffed on Marte

7/4/2008 2:40:27 AM

the bet should be off if neither team finished above .500

7/4/2008 2:47:22 AM

Demoted to Double A

hahaha fucking loser

7/4/2008 4:43:52 AM

thank god for the time being... but i hope he figures something out down there.

one question, why AA and not AAA?

7/4/2008 9:31:22 AM

ryan on mlbtraderumors mentioned ricciardi is getting phone calls on burnett, saying the jays could use a ml-ready SS. he speculated lillibridge could be an option, but that would be too good to be true. lillibridge shat on any value he had, and i think the cubbies would jump on burnett with cedeno and would be a better trade option. also, wren has said he's not searching for a pitcher... dummy. i'd jump all over this if there's any truth to it.

7/4/2008 9:36:47 AM

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"one question, why AA and not AAA"

b/c he would struggle at AAA just like he's struggling right now

7/4/2008 11:54:14 AM

Something about the hitting instructor for the AA team is one of the people that really gets through to him, and has helped him previously.

7/4/2008 11:55:20 AM

what a fucking tool:

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"This has really put a damper on my relationship with the Atlanta Braves," Francoeur told the AJC."

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/braves/stories/2008/07/04/francoeur_0704.html
if he wasn't so shitty, it could mean the difference in the outcome of several games this year. overall, we've been a decent hitting team to this point, and if he had come through in alot of RBI chances, we wouldn't be 7 games out. and then he has the audacity to find fault in the team's decision to do something about it.

the article does go on to say that the team gave him the choice between AAA and AA, and he chose AA due to his relationship with manager Wellman.

Wren says he returns following the AS break. he better fix both his swing and his goddamn mouth.

7/4/2008 2:33:52 PM

^ isnt wellman the one who went off last year and threw the rosin bag like a grenade? yeah i'd probably choose to go play for him too

7/4/2008 2:35:08 PM

Keep your mouth shut frenchy, go down there and get some good a bats, get some confidence and come back to ATL with a new attitude.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggy6WGUFaYs

[Edited on July 4, 2008 at 2:46 PM. Reason : .]

7/4/2008 2:44:58 PM

Definitely the best thing for Franceour, it's not like his cold streak is a new thing. These are his numbers for the past 3 seasons, total.

2006:

.293 OBP, .449 slug., = .742 OPS

2007:

.338 OBP, .444 slug. = .782 OPS

2008:

.287 OBP, .374 slug. = .661 OPS

I only wish the Braves had tried to trade him when his stock was high. Now they'll be lucky to get anything decent for him, and I wouldn't exactly call it a sure thing that he'll ever make it to the majors again.

7/6/2008 9:11:44 PM

his defense is too good for him not to come back somewhere. he'll be back up with the bravos soon enough

7/6/2008 9:14:39 PM

Ehhh, hate to be the Francoeur hater again, but he's not a good fielder. In fact, he's a slightly below average fielder. This is, as much as anything, an indictment of how much of a joke the "Gold Glove" award is. He has a strong arm, I'll give him that, which is what people will remember about him.

Francoeur Fielding Runs Above Average (FRAA)

2005: -1
2006: -15
2007: -1
2008: 0

Total: -17 basically says (sort of) that he's cost the Braves 17 runs over the course of his career due to his fielding

7/7/2008 12:39:27 AM

I'm not saying Francoeur is a great corner outfielder (he isn't), but he is a decent corner outfielder. More importantly, though, FRAA is a stupid stat because there is no baseline. I'd rather use Fielding Runs Above Replacement (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/glossary/index.php?mode=viewstat&stat=76). According to BP, his yearly FRAAs are 5, -3, 13, and 8, slightly below average for a left fielder, but nothing terrible.

I'm just splitting hairs, though. Either way, his arm isn't going to save his job if he keeps an OPS of .660.

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"and I wouldn't exactly call it a sure thing that he'll ever make it to the majors again."

He'll definitely be back. Jones, Anderson, and Blanco will get some time, but Cox is retardedly loyal (remember Langerhans going 0-for-April last year?).

[Edited on July 7, 2008 at 12:58 AM. Reason : ]

7/7/2008 12:57:34 AM

Fielding stats are all notoriously hard to quantify, but I agree that any way you look at he's basically an average outfielder, if that.

I think there's an excellent chance he'll be back again, if nothing else in September, just not that it's an absolute sure thing. It's not like he's on big-time major league money (I think he's making something like 400,000 this year, with no bigger contract signed yet, thank God). Like I said, I really wish the Braves had traded him in the offseason, when some other team might have been dumb enough to take him and his career .760 OPS from us in exchange for something halfway decent.

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"but Cox is retardedly loyal (remember Langerhans going 0-for-April last year?)."

Argh

[Edited on July 7, 2008 at 10:12 AM. Reason : eh]

7/7/2008 10:11:40 AM

my god.....langerhans........thanks for bringing back old nightmares

7/7/2008 1:03:40 PM

Frenchy, Lilli, and Nunez called up to replace Infante, Acosta, and Bennett

7/7/2008 2:47:59 PM

i hope 3 days did the trick, but i don't know how you can correct something so wrong in only 3 days. i also hope lilli can rebuild some value, he could be a nice chip if we decide to stay in the race. and i had no idea we had nunez, i haven't heard that name in forever. he couldn't possibly do worse than acosta/bennett.

7/7/2008 6:30:49 PM

I think it was a great time to send him down. Got in a few games, got some hits. They bring him back with a 6 game road trip, then the all-star break. He can relax without having to play with the pressure of playing at home. Thinking he might have a big game tonight.

7/7/2008 6:48:42 PM

frenchy called up but not started tonight. Actually, he hasn't been into the game at all

7/8/2008 12:10:31 AM

on the right side of this article (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3476648) is a blurb by Neyer that says:

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"Now that Jeff Francouer is back in the big leagues after a three-day demotion to the minors, the whole scenario makes no sense, Rob Neyer writes. Blog "

it's insider, does anyone have that and can share what he says?

7/8/2008 12:10:23 PM

Braves signed RP Julian Tavarez.

7/8/2008 6:22:27 PM

ugh.

7/8/2008 9:04:16 PM

yet another 1-run loss on the road, way to go team.

this has been a shitty season, it's time to pack it in, cut our losses and prepare/do what we can to make noise next year. we've had some awful luck - all teams do, but no one ever would have thought frenchy would choke like he did this year, and with our inability to break through in 1-run games, it all just adds up to too much. our luck/mojo isn't changing as the season progresses, either.

honestly, i really don't know what i'd do to make this team better if i were frank wren. i'd stop doing shit like signing julian tavarez for one thing. looking forward at what we'll have next season, it just doesn't look bright there either.

7/10/2008 1:28:15 AM

there's a rumor floating about that tex was offered to the red sox for youkilis and craig hansen, but were turned down.

7/14/2008 9:53:30 AM

oh for the love of god....

hampton makes his second rehab start in AA...

and yes, lasts only 2 innings before leaving

http://www.newschannel9.com/sports/hampton_970159___article.html/pitched_mississippi.html

7/16/2008 10:06:44 PM

http://www.ajc.com/braves/content/sports/braves/stories/2008/07/16/hampton_0717.html

Tweaks his groin fuck

7/16/2008 11:10:53 PM

i say we trade texiera and get some pitching or a 1st baseman for him. We have over 50 million coming off the books after this year and we will be big players in the free agent market. we could maybe even sign him next year if he is willing to come for 15 million a year.

7/18/2008 2:17:46 PM

El Duque and Fernando Tatis for Tex.. it's win-win.

7/18/2008 2:23:42 PM

how about david wright for tex???? im down

7/18/2008 2:45:56 PM

I am starting to get a little pissed about not being able to see the games.

7/19/2008 7:13:02 PM