Israel should have kept its 1967 borders.

Maybe not the Sinai.

Hamas is trying to be friends with NK? Lol if true (probably not).

7/28/2014 11:32:00 AM

Quote :

" Here's the series of events of the last day: 1) Hamas breaks ceasefire 2) Israel offers to extend it 3) Hamas says no 4) Hamas fires 40 rockets into Israel overnight 5) Israel resumes attempts to destroy rocket capabilities 6) Hamas calls for a 24-hour ceasefire"

This needs a lot of unpacking.

Hamas refused a ceasefire because they are demanding a full end to the Israeli occupation. Are they stupid for shooting rockets? Of course. It's ineffective and counterproductive. But, in case you missed it Israel has killed over 1,000 Palestinians. 80% are estimated to be civilians from multiple sources. That's not destroying rocket capabilities. That's a slaughter and collective punishment.


But not nearly as much as this:

Quote :

" Quote :" keep these areas angry, desperate and unstable" That seems to be Hamas' goal, along with the rest of the Arab world... In case you missed it the other 200 times it's been mentioned, Israel did have a 100% pull-out of Gaza in 2005. That's how a terrorist organization was able to take power into he first place."

This is just pure partisan politics on your end. Netanyahu openly muses about controlling American politicians, and it's no secret that he wants to disrupt a unity government from Hamas and Fatah. When the two of those factions come close to unifying, well, look at that, Israel comes in and starts fucking shit up in Gaza. Helluva coincidence, don't you think?

I keep asking you to answer my question about the Israeli government's intention to pull out of Gaza and the West Bank, and you keep pussy footing around the answer.

Controlling the sea, airspace, and commerce flow of another territory does not constitute a 100% pull out. You can say that 200 times, and you'll be wrong every time. And at the same time of this supposed pull out, settlements in the west bank continued. Care to talk about that? No. Of course not.



[Edited on July 28, 2014 at 12:52 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2014 12:23:14 PM

http://www.wral.com/relative-lull-in-gaza-as-un-calls-for-cease-fire/13844856/

Quote :

"A strike on a Gaza park killed 10 people Monday, nine of them children, as Israeli and Palestinian authorities traded blame over the attack and fighting in the Gaza war raged on despite a major Muslim holiday."

7/28/2014 1:17:08 PM

To hear from a reporter from Gaza, skip to minute 13:00-25:00


http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/d/6/f/d6f5ae255e853ec8/dn2014-0728-1.mp3?c_id=7440558&expiration=1406587877&hwt=15b409c0dc77aefc5b48423288c921a7

7/28/2014 6:03:23 PM

Saw this on Facebook, using some of the same language as the 2 pro-Israel videos:
http://www.commdiginews.com/history-and-holidays/a-history-lesson-on-israel-and-the-palestinians-22281/#WXBxvjtB0KuoKPT6.01

Fascinating how they are able to spread their viewpoint so effectively.

7/28/2014 10:37:34 PM

Students offered grants if they tweet pro-Israeli propaganda
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/students-offered-grants-if-they-tweet-proisraeli-propaganda-8760142.html

Israeli propaganda war hits social media
http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/israeli-propaganda-war-hits-social-media-20140717-ztvky.html?=

7/29/2014 7:17:32 AM

Supposedly having one of, if not the heaviest days of bombardment yet. Just heard on NPR that around 100 people (Palestinians) have been killed in the last 24 hours, including several families.

7/29/2014 9:21:35 AM

Turkey is sending aid to Gaza and is sending military support and warships to escort it

7/29/2014 10:02:34 AM

http://m.nationalreview.com/corner/383940/son-hamas-founder-hamas-seeking-conquest-andrew-johnson

7/29/2014 10:33:11 AM

^and that's why I think there should be little hope in reaching or maintaining any kind of peace agreement.

7/29/2014 11:18:17 AM

Wow @ Golo.

Quote :

"NoMoreOfThat Jul 29, 8:10 a.m. Go Israel, wipe them off the map. Don't worry about what Mr. Botox wants, he's a mouthpiece for Obama, who you know you can't trust."

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"A cold, hard dose of Hans Jul 29, 8:20 a.m. Don't stop until the job is done. If that means turning Gaza into a parking lot, so be it."

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"foolmeonce Jul 29, 8:30 a.m. No nambi pambi leadership in Israel, for sure. You go, Netanyahu--don't pay any attention to the anti-Israel forces in this country. They are just like the people who allowed Hitler to come to power in Germany and ignored the death camps."

http://www.wral.com/israel-target-symbols-of-hamas-control-in-gaza/13847823/

7/29/2014 11:24:02 AM

Israelis are cheering in the streets happy that school is closed tomorrow and the children of Gaza are dead. It's like being happy for a snow day, if the snow was actually the dust of innocent children.

7/29/2014 11:26:26 AM

Israel is not just targeting tunnels they are taking out all utilities and media an government infrastructure. The people were already desperate but now they have no water electricity or fresh food. Hamas is a terrorist organisation because terror deals with fear. Israel are not terrorriat because they make reality worse than what moat people could ever fear.

7/29/2014 12:15:21 PM

^^^ lol I just read that article. How is it possible to have an objective discussion about the Middle East and Israel when 90% of our country thinks like that.

7/29/2014 1:03:11 PM

Someone embed? One hour time lapsed video of an entire neighborhood being leveled:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=fdoYZ1-9XsM

7/29/2014 2:09:12 PM

^ those buildings were probably scheduled for demolition anyway, the israeli gov was just trying to help.

7/29/2014 3:18:20 PM

Nope, just a Potemkin Village

7/29/2014 3:21:10 PM

a single Godzilla or Power Rangers battle destroys more buildings than that

7/29/2014 3:45:13 PM

needs more mercenaries

7/29/2014 4:54:41 PM

A poll by the Washington Institute showed that over 60% of Palestinians wanted to claim all land from "the river to the sea," and only 20% wanting a 2-state solution.

Now, over 70% of Palestinians want a cease-fire and prefer non-violent resistance and want the rocket attacks against Israel to stop. There is also an overwhelming majority who feel that Hamas is corrupt. 88% want PA to take over government administration.

In addition, of the 10,000 rockets Hamas was suspected of having at the start of the operation, over 2,500 have been fired and 3,000 destroyed by Israeli strikes, leaving only 1/3 remaining.

These things make me feel like the operation is going to end soon.

7/29/2014 5:17:36 PM

Israel has uncovered 32 tunnels so far. Each is over 2 miles long and reinforced with concrete. They have also been wired electrically for light. Each tunnel is estimated to have cost an average of $3 million to build. That's $96 million spent on tunnels that have been used for weapon smuggling and sneaking across the border for murders and kidnappings. There is no way of knowing how many tunnels there are in total, so that price tag could be even higher.

10,000 rockets, 32 tunnels. That's how Hamas spends money that could be helping the people.

7/29/2014 5:36:47 PM

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" "Michael Oren, the former Israeli ambassador to the U.S., criticized the US administration on Israeli Army Radio, saying that it treated Hamas as a legitimate organization. "Oren says Israel doesn't need international backing. 'It has to be made unequivocally clear that it is in our interest to restore security to Israel's citizens by all possible means. And even if we have to stand alone sometimes, we are a very strong people. There is a national consensus; we can take it.'" On Morning Edition, Soraya reports that recent polls show about 80 percent of Jewish Israelis support the military operation."

You were saying?

[Edited on July 29, 2014 at 6:05 PM. Reason : http://n.pr/1q8GYTa]

7/29/2014 5:55:51 PM

^^ what is your point though? Yes, Palestinians currently don't like Israel, but none of that really excuses bombing Palestinians, particularly when most people dying are innocent palestinians.

Don't you find it quite reasonable that the palestinians hate the Israelis, considering how frequently Israel kills massive amounts of innocent Palestinians?

Just think of how upset israelis are when their innocents get killed, and then imagine how palestinians feel when far more of them are getting killed, while practically living an an apartheid ghetto.

If Israel wanted to actually solve this conflict, they would stop the bombing. They would aggressively seek other solutions. They have the intellect and resources to come up with something better than creating more Hamas supporters and people who dislike Israel.

Considering they choose to continue the conflict, it seems their desired outcome is for the destruction of palestinians so they can establish a Jewish stronghold. Many palestinians might want the same thing now, but they have made zero progress towards this goal, and don't currently even have the means to achieve it, unlike Israel.

7/29/2014 5:56:32 PM

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" Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday dismissed international calls for an immediate cease-fire in the country's conflict with Hamas in Gaza. "We need to be prepared for a long operation until our mission is accomplished," Netanyahu said in televised remarks."

Don't worry, guys. Bdmazur has a good feeling about this one. They're just going after tunnels, ya know.

[Edited on July 29, 2014 at 6:10 PM. Reason : http://n.pr/1mW2Eig]

7/29/2014 6:00:40 PM

Quote :

"80 percent of Jewish Israelis support the military operation"

Of course they do. A rocket is fired into Israel every 4.5 minutes. And there was the whole Rosh Hashanah Massacre plan, so they want the tunnels taken out.

^^The point is the Palestinian people are angry with Hamas. Three times already Hamas has launched during a ceasefire, causing Israel to retaliate. You seem to think that Israel is making a "choice" to continue when the other side is taking away their ability to make a peaceful choice.

^It already has been a relatively long operation. Part of it is to take away Hamas' rocket capabilities. The operation is over when there are no more rockets being launched. I don't think it will be much longer until Hamas is forced to stop due to depletion of resource and demand from the people.

Or, they can ignore the voice of their people and continue to smuggle in more weapons from Iran and Syria. That seems to be what Netanyahu is expecting. I'm trying to be more optimistic.

[Edited on July 29, 2014 at 6:26 PM. Reason : -]

[Edited on July 29, 2014 at 6:29 PM. Reason : -]

7/29/2014 6:20:56 PM

I don't understand why you do this shit for free. Go collect your scholarship.


The rockets fired into Israel are pathetic, both in strategy and execution. But gee, I wonder why a territory that has seen the homes of their inhabitants blown to bits by a foreign army might come to resent that foreign army? Or maybe it's the 1,000 citizens killed within 20 days? How about the brutal occupation that has blockaded their air and sea, cutting them off from the outside world? God, it's such a mystery. They must just be angry A-rabs. Yeah, that's probably it. They hate just to hate.

7/29/2014 6:35:29 PM

I guess you're right. The Palestinian leaders, dating back to Arafat, never did anything wrong to anybody else to constitute their imports being blocked. No other foreign threat is providing them with weapons, no family is getting paid for young men and women to strap bombs to their chests, there never was an attack, let alone one per decade, where anyone tried to annihilate Israel off the earth. And even if there had been, land never changes hands after wars are complete. And even if it did, Israel would never give any of that land back, including a land mass double its current size.

Yep, Israel is simply doing this because they hate innocent people and have no good reason to be in Gaza. And let's let them keep firing rockets with no repercussions. After all, Hamas is good natured and has the best interests of the people at heart!

7/29/2014 7:00:27 PM

Cut the shit, man.


Straight up, do you agree with this military campaign? Yes or no?

7/29/2014 7:02:37 PM

With the mission, yes.

With the tactics, no.

7/29/2014 7:55:02 PM

What's the mission? Be specific

7/29/2014 8:05:23 PM

He agrees with the mission that he admitted would not be successful, so basically he likes killing Palestinians

7/29/2014 8:22:04 PM

Israel has the right (and the responsibility) to protect it's citizens from the terrorists.

7/29/2014 8:41:39 PM

The mission is take away Hamas' rocket fire capabilities and destroy the underground tunnels.

60% of the rockets are gone, and 32 tunnels have been found.

7/29/2014 8:46:56 PM

So you agree that Israel has the right to militarily control another territory?

Does Gaza or the West Bank have any sovereign rights in your mind?

7/29/2014 8:51:44 PM

^^^
You act as if Israel isn't a terrorist state.

7/29/2014 9:06:35 PM

http://www.state.gov/j/ct/list/c14151.htm

7/29/2014 10:23:44 PM

Israel doesn't want to control the territory, they want the rockets to stop.

7/29/2014 11:28:51 PM

But this military action won't do that. We know it won't do that, it's not even conjecture. If this occupation was able to stop rockets then there wouldn't be rockets today because they already did this in 2008-2009.

7/29/2014 11:39:51 PM

^^^
lol

Quote :

"Currently there are four countries designated under these authorities: Cuba, Iran, Sudan and Syria. Country Designation Date Cuba March 1, 1982 Iran January 19, 1984 Sudan August 12, 1993 Syria December 29, 1979"

7/30/2014 12:06:54 AM

Let me ask you again:


Does Israel have the right to militarily control another territory?

7/30/2014 12:07:22 AM

No, and they aren't doing that now. If they were in control, there's no way the government sponsored rockets would continue. I hope for and expect a complete demilitarization once the mission is complete and the rockets stop.

This back and forth on the ceasefire is at a stalemate:

A) Hamas wants all Israeli military out in order to agree to any short or long term ceasefire/truce
B) Israel won't take out the military during a ceasefire otherwise they fear Hamas will use the time to restock weapons

[Edited on July 30, 2014 at 12:22 AM. Reason : -]

7/30/2014 12:21:13 AM

Oh? They're not currently controlling Gaza? Is all of this destruction just a mirage?

7/30/2014 12:25:54 AM

Quote :

"B) Israel won't take out the military during a ceasefire otherwise they fear Hamas will use the time to restock weapons"

ANSWER ME THIS: Is the fear of Hamas' potential military force a valid reason for Israel to be engaged in Gaza?

7/30/2014 12:30:26 AM

Just 4 days ago I posted that 700 had died. Now 4 days later it is 1,200.

Good work Israel, slaughtering 500 Palestinian terrorists in 4 days!

7/30/2014 1:24:26 AM

Quote :

"You seem to think that Israel is making a "choice" to continue when the other side is taking away their ability to make a peaceful choice."

This isn't true. It's Israel's choice to continue their retaliatory bombing campaign.

This has never worked in the past, and it doesn't work now. All it does is ensure future generations of Palestinians will have a good reason to always hate the Israeli government. This is perhaps what Israel wants though, because it means a few decades from now, as they chip away at the palestinian people and their territories, all the land will be theirs.

^ that's only 30% of 9/11.

[Edited on July 30, 2014 at 2:48 AM. Reason : ]

7/30/2014 2:47:12 AM

Jewish terrorists flocking to Israel from Western countries to kill Muslims.

Quote :

"Recruiting to kill: It is not just an Israeli war on Gaza To some, US Secretary of State John Kerry may have appeared to be a genuine peacemaker as he floated around ideas during a Cairo visit on July 25 about a cease-fire between Israel and resisting Palestinian fighters in Gaza. But behind his measured diplomatic language, there is a truth not even America’s top diplomat can easily hide. His country is very much involved in fighting this dirty war on Gaza that has killed over 1,050, injured thousands more, and destroyed much of an already poor, dilapidated space that is barely inhabitable to begin with. US economic and military aid to Israel is measured annually in the billions, and the US government continues to be Israel’s strongest and most ardent ally and political benefactor. In fact, the US-Israel “special relationship” is getting more “special” by the day even though Israel is sinking further into the abyss of a well-deserved isolation. True, there are some, even in the justice for Palestinians camp, who oddly speak of how exceptional and fair the Barack Obama administration has been in comparison to its predecessors. However, they neglect the fact that aside from a few particularly strong-worded statements, Obama has been a dedicated stalwart on behalf of Israel and its security by going as far as defending Israel’s ‘Operation Protective Edge’ war — the slaughter of thousands of innocent civilians in Gaza. But America’s support for Israel is crossing new red lines. There are reportedly over 1,000 US citizens fighting in the Israeli Army according to reports that are now resurfacing due to the recent killing of two US-Israeli soldiers — Max Steinberg, 24, of California, and Nissim Sean Carmeli, 21, of Texas. Like the rest of the IDF soldiers killed in recent fighting, they were killed while invading parts of the besieged Gaza Strip. But the number must be an understatement since some of Israel’s most ardent Jewish settlers are also American, and happen to be armed and dangerous. Although this is causing a bit of a media buzz, there is no political crisis. Instead, only condolences are offered to the families of the Americans fighting the genocidal war on Gaza. The US is not alone in this. European governments display an incredible amount of hypocrisy as they continue to utilize doublespeak in their approach to Middle East conflicts in general, and the situation in Palestine in particular. The pressure mounting from European civil society makes it a bit more challenging for EU governments to endow Israel with the same unconditional love and support as that bestowed upon it by the US. EU hypocrisy is too palpable even for clever politicians to hide. The British government is shamelessly on the Israeli side, even while entire families in Gaza are being pulverized by Western weapons and military technology. Meanwhile, the French government imposed a ban to prevent French society from showing its solidarity with the besieged and massacred Palestinians in Gaza. But why ban mere demonstrations of solidarity while France, the US and other Western governments are allowing their Jewish citizens to be enlisted in the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) which is actively killing Palestinian civilians? Shouldn’t that be a much greater concern to the duplicitous French government than some protesters chanting slogans during a solidarity rally that may or may not be deemed anti-Semitic? Indeed, not only are Western governments providing Israel with arms, funds and political cover to sustain its occupation and war, but it is also contributing thousands of military experts and boots on the ground in order to fight a war in Gaza where war crimes and crimes against humanity are being committed on an hourly basis. Consider this: While British citizens fighting against the Syrian government of Bashar Assad are being detained and persecuted, British citizens who are fighting for Israel are not. The British government is turning a blind eye to what should be considered a criminal act. Western hypocrisy on this is as profound as the phenomenon of Westerners killing Palestinians, which some are now calling ‘Israeli Jihadists.’ Belgium also stands accused of allowing such criminality. Although Belgian civil society is one of Palestine’s strongest supporters, their government is cloaked with unmistakable dishonesty. Many Belgian citizens are also taking part in Israel’s lethal wars in Gaza and military occupation of the occupied territory, with little or no protest from their government. The recruitment of Belgians is mostly done through the same organizations that recruited thousands of foreign fighters for the IDF. Think of them as terrorist headhunting organizations that operate in a perfectly legal environment. Recently, Mayor of Antwerp, Bart De Wever, called on the Belgian government to cancel dual citizenship of ‘Syria jihadis.’ His call was made during a recent visit to a synagogue in Brussels after four people were shot by an alleged French-born citizen suspected of having spent time fighting in Syria. The country’s Minister of Justice Annemie Turtelboom took the initiative further by calling on EU countries to block "jihadists" from going to Syria, suggesting the creation of a list of all known “Syria jihadists.” But what about the Belgians that are fighting, killing and committing war crimes on behalf of Israel? Why is the Belgian government keeping silent regarding those accused war criminals in the Israeli Army, with no statement yet issued, even after the killing of Belgian citizen Eytan Barak? The same questions apply to other Western governments. The hyper-sensitive French government turned a blind eye when a French citizen was killed during the Gaza onslaught. While the Israeli daily Haaretz reported on the killing of staff Sgt. Jordan Bensemhoun, most of the French media and government have looked the other way. The very government that continues to make life difficult for African immigrants in France, sees no problem of its own immigrants taking part in foreign wars that are in violation of its own citizenship laws. Western involvement in the war on the Palestinian people is indeed going beyond the usual and known support of funds, military technology and economic aid, to actual participation in the slaughter of Palestinians in Gaza. This is not a matter than can be addressed within the larger argument of Western double standards in Israel and Palestine, but an urgent issue that demands immediate attention. It is one thing to fail to stop war crimes from being committed, it is a whole other level of failure to defend, finance and take active part in carrying out these war crimes. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is not the only leader culpable of Gaza’s bloodbath; others in Western capitals should also be held to account. — Ramzy Baroud is an internationally-syndicated columnist and the founder of PalestineChronicle.com Email: ramzybaroud@hotmail.com"

7/30/2014 5:07:22 AM

Its good to know that a constant string of non-stop rocket attacks don't count for anything as long as they don't kill anyone.

Following that logic, I can come over to some of your houses and fire a gun at you non-stop, and you won't be mad, call the police, or retaliate as long as none of the bullets hit you, right?

Quote :

"ANSWER ME THIS: Is the fear of Hamas' potential military force a valid reason for Israel to be engaged in Gaza?"

Absolutely. We used the same excuse to invade Iraq the second time and they weren't even firing missiles at us.

7/30/2014 9:31:39 AM

I agree that Iraq is a great example, and everyone agrees that the moralilty of preemptive action was shown to by justified in Iraq. We went into Iraq preemptively and a few hundred thousand people died and now the area is peaceful and there are no more terrorists in Iraq. Our actions in Iraq worked wonderfully and stabilized the region as will Israel's actions in Gaza (and the West Bank), the region will be just as peaceful as Iraq.

In regards to your gun analogy, if someone is shooting at your house and maybe occasionally damaging some things I agree that you are justified in launching artillery back at the entire neighborhood that the gunshots are coming from. If innocent people die then fuck em, it's not like their neighborhood has walls all around it and a blockade and shit to restrict them from moving, you are justified in protecting your home by leveling that entire neighborhood.

[Edited on July 30, 2014 at 9:48 AM. Reason : .]

7/30/2014 9:46:28 AM

Are you saying then that it is just Isreali propaganda that Hamas is using people and humanitarian buildings as shields?

There's a UN school that has been cleaned out several times, only to find rockets stored once again inside the facility.

7/30/2014 9:58:21 AM

i'm saying, and have been, and fairly clearly I think, that it doesn't make the people who are shields guilty for what Hamas is doing and that these actions will not stop rockets and will only strengthen and embolden Hamas and will provide them with plenty of angry displaced people to recruit (and that's if they are not radicalized by more radical factions first, which is likely if Hamas is actually knocked out)

7/30/2014 10:00:57 AM