24th seems reasonable given Yow's time frame

3/14/2017 1:32:02 PM

Really depends on the runs teams make in the tournament, but I think most of our candidates actually drew tough match-ups and making it past the first weekend would be surprising. I think once we can actually talk to candidates it won't take long to iron out a deal.

3/14/2017 2:09:21 PM

all "insiders" should post their credentials on this page.

3/14/2017 2:19:06 PM

Maybe we should hit up Chris Collins

3/14/2017 2:55:28 PM

imagine him jumping ship in 3 years to take the Duke job after being at NC State lol

3/14/2017 3:25:16 PM

^ Can't because of ACC poaching rule

3/14/2017 3:37:53 PM

I feel like I read somewhere that he has said he doesn't want to follow K at Duke either.

3/14/2017 3:42:54 PM

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"Can't because of ACC poaching rule"

is this relatively new or sport-specific? thinking about how TOB came from BC

3/14/2017 3:51:50 PM

For people trashing on premium rivals/scout, one interesting thing Rivals/Wolfpacker has done is interview a CAA coach about Keatts and an A10 coach about Wade

3/14/2017 5:13:10 PM

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"Can't because of ACC poaching rule"

Is that actually a thing?

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3/14/2017 5:22:05 PM

As far as I know it's real. The reason TOB didn't apply is because he joined BC when they were not part of the ACC and thus did not have this written into his contract.

3/14/2017 5:37:38 PM

Pretty sure it's not.

3/14/2017 5:52:32 PM

"Hmmm I haven't posted in a year but I really need to tell them about this rule I made up"

3/14/2017 6:18:30 PM

Guy running Packpride is pushing for Keatts big time.

3/14/2017 8:06:49 PM

Yeah I just don't understand the love for Keats given our situation. Don't want another coach that doesn't prioritize defense even if a great recruiter and offensive mind. I'm not saying we want to go full UVA but we need a better balance.

3/14/2017 8:11:37 PM

Know he hasn't been on the radar, but definitely not New Orleans' coach. Down 1 with only a 4ish second difference between game and shot clock. Only had 2.6 seconds to go the length of the court. Didn't work.

3/14/2017 8:50:28 PM

The first four games are played in Dayton. Archie is the coach at Dayton. What could this mean for our coaching search???

3/14/2017 9:42:00 PM

Clemson job about to be open following their lol collapse in the NIT against Oakland.

3/14/2017 9:57:15 PM

What are the chances they scoop up Wade?

3/14/2017 10:07:53 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2r2SDlzeAA

3/14/2017 10:21:22 PM

yeah that PP article reads like they're hyping us up for what's already been decided.

Wade may go to Clemson assuming their HC gets fired. That would make Dayton's grip on the A10 even stronger so Archie can get a little more money at Dayton while he waits for Matta to retire at tOSU. We end up with Keatts.

My only concerns with him are the defensive stats and that while he did bring UNCW out of obscurity, it was also after major powers in that conference left. VCU, George Mason, Old Dominion, and Georgia State all left in 2012-2013.

That being said - he had a killer record at Hargrave, he's got great recruiting ties in the region and has been very successful at UNCW even if it is a low/mid major now.

3/14/2017 10:38:34 PM

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"while he waits for Matta to retire at tOSU."

Matta is 49 LOL

3/14/2017 10:45:49 PM

dumb article is dumb...and wrong

3/14/2017 10:47:45 PM

^^I thought Matta has a lot of health issues and is supposed to step down / retire in the next couple of years?

3/14/2017 11:00:50 PM

I really don't think Clemson is gonna fire Brownell.

3/14/2017 11:01:01 PM

Clemson is a premier bball coaching gig, ITT

3/14/2017 11:23:58 PM

what is your guys opinion of a "mid major" conference if the caa is a low major

3/15/2017 12:36:41 AM

Indiana job should be open as early as today. Gotta believe they will target Archie too.

3/15/2017 5:56:33 AM

Sounds like Clemson isn't gonna fire Brownell but also, it's funny to me how Archie is dismissed as a candidate for us because he could do so much better and just being the alma mater doesn't carry much weight. but in the same breath we worry about Wade going back to his powerhouse of an alma mater.

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"Yeah I just don't understand the love for Keats given our situation. Don't want another coach that doesn't prioritize defense even if a great recruiter and offensive mind. I'm not saying we want to go full UVA but we need a better balance."

while i haven't watched UNCW this year, i did a little research. their tallest player getting significant minutes is 6'7". that probably doesn't help their defensive stats. and they are in the top 50/60 in turnovers forced...we, on the other hand, are in the 300s. so there's still a pretty big difference, it would seem, in their D vs Gott's D. Gott's guys didn't even fucking try on defense. we don't have to be a top 20 defense every year. but we need to at least be capable of slowing down the opponent. now i have no idea if Keatts is capable of that...but i think we're forgetting that Gott's D was historically bad...not just below average, but historically terrible.

[Edited on March 15, 2017 at 7:17 AM. Reason : f]

3/15/2017 7:11:01 AM

At the same time, I don't know that the CAA is full of giants and they only played like 1-2 p5 teams. Unless I'm missing something about why height would matter

3/15/2017 8:23:37 AM

i'll be supremely disappointed if Keatts is our first choice. That would appear to me that they played it safe and went for a sure hire instead of reaching out.

3/15/2017 8:26:44 AM

Keatts isnt a terrible hire but if we have made it to the point where that is the hire then this has been a failed coaching search and Keatts is probably the best option at that point.

3/15/2017 8:27:51 AM

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"i'll be supremely disappointed if Keatts is our first choice."

In what world would Keatts actually be our "first choice?"

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"Clemson is a premier bball coaching gig, ITT"

Yah who wouldn't rather coach there than here

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" he had a killer record at Hargrave"

lolololololol

3/15/2017 8:56:40 AM

I feel like the PP guy was REALLY pushing Wade HARD and he was "his guy", but it just sounds like the more he researched Keatts the more impressed he was. It says a lot when you have people you interview that just gush about a guy, I'm sure it's not super common. Also don't discount the recruiting side(Yow is big on this) and the fact that Wendell Murphy is a big fan of Keatts(this is substantial).

^I know it's easy to see "Hargrave" and laugh at that since it's a JUCO, but you have to look at the bigger picture. He went to Hargrave when they had never landed a premiere/blue-chip recruit and weren't a major program at the JUCO level. He built that program into a juggernaut through great recruiting and work. I think he won several JUCO titles and his winning percentage was something insane like 94% of his games. He then took over a shitty UNCW program coming off a shitty year and turned the program around fairly quickly.

I'm a bit worried about Keatts on the defensive side, but from what I've read his guys actually play HARD on defense, they're just limited a bit physically. The hope would be that as long as his guys were busting their ass that would be an immense improvement over what we saw out of Gottfried.

You give me a guy that can recruit as well(or better) than Gott, that can teach a fun/effective offensive system, and that can motivate his players to play hard the entire game...sign me up. He's Gott's recruiting but seems like a really good coach and hard working guy. I think his learning curve will be a bit steep moving to the ACC, but he does have a lot of upside.

Also helps guys like Anthony Grundy and Cam Bennerman gave him sterling reviews.

I do expect Keatts will be announced as our new HC next week, but honestly I think most have expected that since mid-year. Everyone was on board until they "advanced defensive analytics" info came out.

Miller is going to keep winning at Dayton because it's easier to win there and he can pad his resume with more tournament visits while he wits for the perfect job to open up. Matta is only 49 but he's had chronic health issues including a bad back, some thought he'd retire this year. I doubt Matt is at tOSU for more than 2-3 more years.

Wouldn't surprise me if we had options of Wade or Keatts and actually chose Keatts over Wade.

3/15/2017 9:09:45 AM

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"I do expect Keatts will be announced as our new HC next week, but honestly I think most have expected that since mid-year."

wat?

3/15/2017 9:25:22 AM

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"Indiana job should be open as early as today. Gotta believe they will target Archie too."

their board supposedly just approved 25 million for the team salaries.

3/15/2017 9:27:30 AM

maybe they'll go after Greggggg

3/15/2017 9:40:02 AM

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"know it's easy to see "Hargrave" and laugh at that since it's a JUCO, "

Hargrave isn't a junior college. It's a middle/high school + prep school. I live like 20 minutes from it.

3/15/2017 9:44:47 AM

^^^Hargrave isn't a JUCO, it's a HS where you can do a year of "postgrad"

^oops beat me to it


Also I think the key difference in the postgrad program vs JUCO is needing 1 year vs 2

[Edited on March 15, 2017 at 9:50 AM. Reason : E]

3/15/2017 9:48:43 AM

^k I thought I was going crazy. My mom and uncle went to hargrave and I was extremely confused on when it moved from a high school to a junior college

3/15/2017 9:49:05 AM

When is the last time a black college basketball coach won a national title? 2014 was Ollie but before that magical run?

It seems like the numbers of men of color in basketball coaching positions is going down as well.

3/15/2017 9:54:35 AM

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"i'll be supremely disappointed if Keatts is our first choice. That would appear to me that they played it safe and went for a sure hire instead of reaching out."

i don't think Keatts would be the safe hire. the coach thast has 3 years of HC experience would be seen as more of a higher risk hire than somebody with more experience. we also have no idea if he's our #1. common sense would say that we reached out to Archie and probably others to gauge interest. maybe they have no interest and we moved down to Keatts. i don't think anybody is saying he's been our #1 target from day 1. the "safe" hire would be going after P5 re-tread or somebody with a much longer track record than 3 seasons at UNCW.

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"Keatts isnt a terrible hire but if we have made it to the point where that is the hire then this has been a failed coaching search and Keatts is probably the best option at that point."

i kinda disagree. i'm not in love with Keatts or totally sold on him being the guy. but he's definitely one of the hottest names as an up and coming coach and, imo, would generally be viewed in a positive manner by national media (doesn't matter what they say, but in terms of how the hire is viewed by unbiased observers their opinion might matter). who are the other realistic names? Wade and Archie? yeah, archie would absolutely be viewed as an A+ home run hire. and Wade seems to have a really good reputation as well and would be viewed as a good hire. but it's entirely possible Archie says no. it's also entirely possible that the search committee simply likes Keatts better than Wade. Wade obviously has experience at a higher level than Keatts (A10 > CAA obviously) but Keatts' experience at UL and rebuild at UNCW might be seen as a big positive and more impressive than Wade to Yow.

[Edited on March 15, 2017 at 9:59 AM. Reason : f]

3/15/2017 9:55:42 AM

^^When was the last time a black actor won best supporting actor? I mean this year, sure, but before that?

[Edited on March 15, 2017 at 9:59 AM. Reason : Dang I keep being one post late ]

3/15/2017 9:59:20 AM

My bad on the Juco vs Post-Grad Hargrave situation. I just know that apparently Keatts had to recruit an entire roster each year and thus built a lot of in-roads with major HS and AAU programs.

Still, ridiculous success at Hargrave, National Title as an assistant, and quickly rebuilt UNCW into a tournament team. He's going to get scooped up by a program in the next year or so, ceiling is too high not to.

3/15/2017 10:13:00 AM

I agree with LudaChris and I'll also add that a 94% win record at anywhere, being it a high school or whatever isn't something to snub your nose at. Whatever Hargrave is, it's a military school and he was able to keep kids happy there when, for many, it's a punishment or last chance type of place (not trying to put down people who went there / parents went there, etc. it's a fine school on its own merits). He even got a McDonald's All American there that presumably had academic/behavioral problems keeping him out of a 4-year school and got him to fall in line.

I think a lot of us were calling for Keatts when Gottfried was struggling but when the search started we started looking to the stars, myself included. Part of me would feel a bit let down that we couldn't/didn't get somebody that's a virtual guarantee for success like Gregg, Drew, Archie, etc. but at the same time I don't think it's unreasonable that we may have the choice between Wade, maybe Holtmann, etc. and actually chose Keatts. You could make a case for any of those three. Maybe State just saw a good bargain in Keatts. In the end, if it's Keatts I'll be content. I won't be calling everyone I know saying can you believe it! but it won't be a head scratching wtf hire, either.

3/15/2017 10:14:25 AM

Yeah, when you coach a post-grad prep school team you do have to recruit a new team every year. And hargrave isn't some unknown little school that just popped up. It's got scores of alumni in the NFL and to a lesser extent the NBA.

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"Also I think the key difference in the postgrad program vs JUCO is needing 1 year vs 2"

The key difference is one is an actual college (and going there starts your eligibility clock with regards to the ncaa). The other is a high school.

3/15/2017 10:22:46 AM

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"I'll also add that a 94% win record at anywhere, being it a high school or whatever isn't something to snub your nose at."

Come on dude. It's fucking high school, and I'm pretty sure they always have a 94% win rate.

Troll the low majors all you want, but lettuce leave high schools off our radar plz.

3/15/2017 10:29:41 AM

It's all star type high school for kids that can't read good but can play good.


Seriously though, other than Ollie, JT3 still the most prominent black coach?

3/15/2017 10:32:29 AM

Lorenzo Romar, but everybody hates him.

[Edited on March 15, 2017 at 10:34 AM. Reason : Danny Manning]

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[Edited on March 15, 2017 at 10:38 AM. Reason : Mike Anderson]

3/15/2017 10:33:19 AM

i'm not trying to beat the drum for Keatts being the greatest coach ever. i just don't really get the folks saying that we should do better and getting him would be settling. yes, he's young and unproven. i totally understand that. but he's being talked about with the Mizzou and Illinois jobs. and will certainly be a candidate for Clemson if Clemson opens up. we're a superior job to Clemson and Mizzou, imo, so that may not totally be an apples to apples comparison. but he's being talked about as a big up and coming name from the mid major ranks. sure, Archie is more proven and we should try to get him. but Keatts should be a legit candidate for us and no just a last resort.

[Edited on March 15, 2017 at 10:38 AM. Reason : A]

3/15/2017 10:37:18 AM