jsausley All American 1031 Posts user info edit post |
Hopefully the NCAA will add some penalties. Those amount to nothing. Probation is meaningless, vacating wins only affects the coach's record, not the team, and anyone with an IQ of 60 is elligible for an academic scholarship at UNC.
Need some bowl bans up in here. 9/19/2011 2:51:15 PM |
xienze All American 7341 Posts user info edit post |
Weak self-imposed penalties. They'll get at least one year bowl ban on top of this. 9/19/2011 2:52:01 PM |
HCH All American 3895 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Of the small # of players who were dishonest with NCAA initially, all but one came clean eventually" |
This can't be good. NCAA will come down hard on them for not being cooperative. Of course, they are trying to spin this to seem as if they did cooperate.
^Agreed, they better get some bowl bans out of this.9/19/2011 2:56:55 PM |
adder All American 3901 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "And 1 basketball senior taking the independent study course doesn't exactly drag the basketball program into this mess...unfortunately. " |
However a news article which quotes henson as saying that "the entire basketball team takes swahili" certainly should. As if that wasn't enough to start raising some questions there was another statement in a news article about being in a swahili class withe bball starting lineup.9/19/2011 2:58:15 PM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "@ArmstrongWTVD UNC has redacted the names of Athletic Dept employees who knew of and approved Chris Hawkins presence in team facilities" |
wait, what? huh 9/19/2011 3:06:45 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
probably B***h D***s 9/19/2011 3:10:01 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25537 Posts user info edit post |
I love how UNC mentions all their educational/informational sessions for the athletes to know what the rules are....and then in the interviews the athletes said that they didn't know what they were doing was wrong (academic related stuff anyways)
IC fans are agreeing with their proposed penalties...which leads me to believe that the self-imposed penalties won't be enough.
[Edited on September 19, 2011 at 3:44 PM. Reason : ] 9/19/2011 3:24:32 PM |
jsausley All American 1031 Posts user info edit post |
They're agreeing with them because they aren't actually penalties. Really. There is absolutely zero negative effect on UNC from those penalties, with the laughable exception of the $50,000 fine. And as we know, $50,000 is obviously nothing to a big program. 9/19/2011 3:53:19 PM |
MrLuvaLuva85 All American 4265 Posts user info edit post |
ncaa needs to impose penalties that affect future seasons of football, not past seasons 9/19/2011 3:54:47 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25537 Posts user info edit post |
^Agreed And ^^, the gave Blake 75k...50k is nothing, you're right 9/19/2011 3:58:10 PM |
dubcaps All American 4765 Posts user info edit post |
just updated butch's wiki page to account for vacated seasons. 9/19/2011 4:09:44 PM |
ThePeter TWW CHAMPION 37709 Posts user info edit post |
so this
Quote : | "vacating wins from 08 and 09 seasons.
cutting 3 scholarships each year till 2015.
2 years probation
$50k fine" |
is just UNC's self-imposed penalties?
I agree, weak sauce.
When does the NCAA hearing go down, Oct-??9/19/2011 4:18:06 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
Oct 23 or 28 i think, cant remember 9/19/2011 4:20:22 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25537 Posts user info edit post |
^Yeah, 28th I think. And punishment should be handed down early 2012, I believe.
[Edited on September 19, 2011 at 4:21 PM. Reason : ] 9/19/2011 4:21:34 PM |
jbrick83 All American 23447 Posts user info edit post |
Good analogy from a poster on Packpride:
Quote : | "This is Contestant's Row from the Price is Right, and UNC just bet a dollar." |
9/19/2011 4:26:23 PM |
Jeepin4x4 #Pack9 35774 Posts user info edit post |
South Carolina receives NCAA notice of allegations today 9/19/2011 5:14:12 PM |
Ernie All American 45943 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | ""This is Contestant's Row from the Price is Right, and UNC just bet a dollar."" |
That's the best thing I've ever read.9/19/2011 6:01:58 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
Haha, that is funny.
No amount of punishment will satisfy anyone on here, I'm sure. What precedent is there recently for the NCAA to add significant extra punishment on top of the self-imposed suggestions? 9/19/2011 6:06:03 PM |
timswar All American 41050 Posts user info edit post |
So.... UNC claims they fired Blake?
Then how are they justifying the fact that they're still paying him? 9/19/2011 6:09:39 PM |
Ernie All American 45943 Posts user info edit post |
They're paying Butch and he was fired 9/19/2011 6:10:17 PM |
timswar All American 41050 Posts user info edit post |
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5537708
Blake resigned, he was never fired.
He may have been talked into resigning, or possibly even pressured into it, but he was never fired. 9/19/2011 6:12:28 PM |
Ernie All American 45943 Posts user info edit post |
Well, I think we all know he was fired
No conspiracy there 9/19/2011 6:14:39 PM |
timswar All American 41050 Posts user info edit post |
Actually, never-mind. I misread the response. They say they "talked him into resigning." (I wonder how the NCAA feels when assistants get paid off to disappear and leave NCAA jurisdiction)
My bad.
/Carry On 9/19/2011 6:16:31 PM |
modlin All American 2642 Posts user info edit post |
^^ The NCAA accepts penalties sometimes, sometimes they don't. LSU had a case in July and theirs were accepted, WVU had one and their was accepted.
I don't think this is one of those times, though. 9/19/2011 6:21:54 PM |
Bullet All American 28417 Posts user info edit post |
i'm just going to go ahead and assume that the ncaa accepts the offer. it's bound to happen. 9/19/2011 7:16:56 PM |
cptinsano All American 11993 Posts user info edit post |
Hope every page is returned next week to unc, smeared in shit. 9/19/2011 7:18:33 PM |
Elwood All American 4085 Posts user info edit post |
they added extra penalties to Boise St. on top of what they proposed. 9/19/2011 7:23:02 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
what else would you do to unc sensibly? The wins are vacated which doesn't seem that bad because they didn't win that much anyway. No need to punish the new people 9/19/2011 7:46:46 PM |
adder All American 3901 Posts user info edit post |
At the very minimum a bowl ban of at least two years. THEY HAVE SET AN ENTIRELY NEW PRECEDENT FOR CHEATING. No one has ever had the associate head coach directly on an agents payroll. Academic violations abound and they are still hiding butch's 216 records. 9/19/2011 7:49:30 PM |
Talage All American 5093 Posts user info edit post |
Isn't this about the same level of punishment FSU got for their academic indiscretions a few years back? UNC has similar academic problems (although maybe not affecting as many players as FSU) + agent affiliated coach on the payroll + letting an (arguably) known agent/runner hang around the program. 9/19/2011 8:03:13 PM |
DoeoJ has 7062 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "No need to punish the new people" |
heh, that wasn't taken in consideration for USC.9/19/2011 8:08:46 PM |
UJustWait84 All American 25821 Posts user info edit post |
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6993024/north-carolina-tar-heels-vacate-2008-2009-wins-ahead-hearing
[Edited on September 19, 2011 at 8:56 PM. Reason : didn't see the link on this page, don't really care ] 9/19/2011 8:54:15 PM |
ctnz71 All American 7207 Posts user info edit post |
lol @ them paying john blake $75k and offering to pay the NCAA $50k... 9/19/2011 8:54:28 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
Optimal scenario: Death Penalty minus the TV ban 9/19/2011 9:04:24 PM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
^lol death penalty kinda negates the need for a tv ban 9/19/2011 9:16:22 PM |
TallyHo All American 11744 Posts user info edit post |
vacating wins is the dumbest, fakest penalty possible
your fans still enjoyed their victories, opponents still felt the losses you still went to some bowl that was better than you deserved, might have kept others from going to a bowl or a better bowl
but if you look in the records, it never happened! some penalty 9/19/2011 9:24:56 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25537 Posts user info edit post |
Not to mention they get to keep the money from their bowl trips... 9/19/2011 9:28:07 PM |
Bullet All American 28417 Posts user info edit post |
and yet they're 3-0. ain't that some shit? gotta give withers some respect. 9/19/2011 9:34:45 PM |
BlackDog All American 15654 Posts user info edit post |
^ they have only played one decent team (Rutgers)
We have people defending UNC based on that cut up document (all the missing sentences) on FB and I need some firepower to throw back. I know for a fact they didn't read all 111 pages. Lets hear what you got fellow UNC haters. 9/20/2011 8:20:32 AM |
jbrick83 All American 23447 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "and yet they're 3-0. ain't that some shit? gotta give withers some respect." |
Meh...I think Wake is much better than Rutgers...and UNC almost lost that one.
If you get pressure on Renner, he folds like a beach chair. They'll end up 7-5/8-4 this year. Not bad, but they're schedule is just as bad as ours...so not impressive.9/20/2011 9:46:13 AM |
pack_bryan Suspended 5357 Posts user info edit post |
I just want to see massive scholarship reductions for years to come. Those assholes are still reaping the benefits of enticing players illegally that are still there. And if you think otherwise you are joking yourself.
All that fucking NFL talent and those insane recruiting classes and you still can't break 8 wins or make 1 single bowl that's worth a shit. Let alone get a victory over your rivals. Must be awesome over there thinking you are in the same class as Alabama and Ohio State and Texas. You get all that talent for years and it amounts to nothing major. You might as well be Oregon State. For the last 15 years you've been mediocre and can barely draw a full crowd to your stadium. 9/20/2011 9:54:26 AM |
Bullet All American 28417 Posts user info edit post |
I'm not saying they're good, but you gotta give it to withers for getting the team together and going 3-0 after losing blake, then butch a couple weeks before the season began. that's all. i'm not expecting them to have an above average season. 9/20/2011 9:55:50 AM |
ThePeter TWW CHAMPION 37709 Posts user info edit post |
Bullet with the "2011-2012 ADVERSITY CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHY" award ceremony 9/20/2011 10:13:40 AM |
Bullet All American 28417 Posts user info edit post |
Just giving credit where credit is due. I was expecting them to come out and totally flop. I'm sure they will once they start playing higher competition. 9/20/2011 10:20:58 AM |
Wolfey All American 2680 Posts user info edit post |
Who has UNC played?
James Madison (FCS Team) money game for JMU
Rutgers (Bottom third of the Big Least this year) Barely beat them
UVA in the Khaki Classic was a good win, though UVA is no world beater
If you want to crown them then wait until their first road game, if they win that game then crown them. GT racked up 500+ rushing yards last week.
They still have a lot of talent on that Defense and their WR are more experienced. 9/20/2011 11:29:10 AM |
ltownking All American 1084 Posts user info edit post |
^yeah. I am really interested in the UNX v GT game. UNX should have the D to hold GTs O if they are as good as publicized. 9/20/2011 11:44:50 AM |
Bullet All American 28417 Posts user info edit post |
Nobody's crowning anybody. Sheesh. 9/20/2011 12:11:13 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Its like a fat kid apologizing for stealing all the cookies in the cookie jar and then saying he will punish himself by having a bowl of Cocoa Puffs" |
9/20/2011 2:59:49 PM |
jbrick83 All American 23447 Posts user info edit post |
That's a pretty dumb analogy. 9/20/2011 3:07:14 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
made me lol
also, Butch is now statistically the worst football coach in UNC history based on W/L record
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Tar_Heels_football#Head_Coaches
or maybe wikipedia is going to continue to ignore the 16 vacated wins from 08 and 09
[Edited on September 20, 2011 at 3:20 PM. Reason : fuck wikipedia] 9/20/2011 3:10:52 PM |