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"pryderi: This won't get past page one."

9/8/2005 12:39:38 AM

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" I'm seriously trying to think of some good stuff he's done, but I can't. 9/11 was a failure, he failed to catch Bin Laden, Afghanistan is still a crappy place to live, there were massive intelligence "failures" about Iraq, there were gov. failures handling NO, gas prices are higher, the cost of goods are higher, there is still a lot of taxes, but the burder is more on the lower class, people seem to feel his environmental policy is worse, and the US is hated more in the world than ever. The only good thing is that Sadam is no longer in power. I think it was TGD who said in another thread there's lots of good Bush has done (be he didn't list any...). What are they? I really would like to know, so I can temper my cynicism. "

c'mon... someone?

9/8/2005 1:04:22 AM

http://gbdoeshootie.ytmnd.com/

9/8/2005 1:06:59 AM

He brought the fine art of tree felling back to the White House.

9/8/2005 2:25:23 AM

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"c'mon... someone?"

Hey Moron - instead of pointing out "facts" why don't you explain to the class why you think 9/11 was a failure. How about you also show an ounce of credibility and actually explain how the President "should have" handled said situations. If your not part of the solution, your no better then Pryderi and his "Bush is the Devil" bullshit.

9/8/2005 7:40:02 AM

you're

9/8/2005 8:17:32 AM

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"How about you also show an ounce of credibility"

before you ask others to show credibility, shouldnt you show creditibility yourself?

posting ann coulter articles doesnt really build credibility.

9/8/2005 8:21:43 AM

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"Iraq Approximate number of U.S. troops currently in Iraq: 139,000 Percent of coalition forces contributed by the U.S.: 85.7 Weeks since the Pentagon developed a plan to draw down U.S. forces in Iraq to roughly 40,000 by mid-2005: 98 Approximate amount appropriated by Congress for Iraq operations so far: $218 billion Approximate amount spent by the U.S. in World War I: $205 billion Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) found: 0 Number of U.S. service members killed in Iraq: 1,886 Number reported wounded by the Defense Department: 14,265 Approximate number of medical evacuations of U.S. military personnel performed since the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom: 55,000 Number of National Guard soldiers killed in Iraq through August 27, 2005: 269 Number of National Guard soldiers killed in the entire Vietnam War: 97 Number of Iraqi military and police killed since training began (June 2003): 3,051 Estimated number of insurgents in Iraq (November 2003): 5,000 Estimated number of insurgents in Iraq (June 2005): 15-20,000 Estimated number of 107 Iraqi military and special police battalions that are capable of operating independently: 3 Amount charged to American taxpayers by Halliburton to build a movie library for its employees: $152 million Number of movies in the library: 10,000 Total number of nations contributing troops to Iraq as part of President Bush's "coalition of the willing" at some point during the war: 37 Number of these nations that either have withdrawn or plan to withdraw their troops from the coalition: 14 Average size of troop contributions by nations with troops currently deployed to Iraq, excluding the United States, United Kingdom, South Korea, and Italy: 186 Terrorism Days since September 11, 2001 that Osama bin Laden has remained uncaptured: 1,454 Days after bombing Pearl Harbor that Japan surrendered to U.S. forces: 1,365 Number of times President Bush mentioned the "war on terror" in one month before the 2004 elections: 71 Number of times in the six months following the 2004 elections: 66 Number of terrorist suspects the Bush Administration claims have been convicted since September 11, 2001: 200 Number that have actually been convicted: 39 Recruiting Recruits needed per month for the rest of the fiscal year, if the Army is to meet its annual goal: 12,396.5 Highest monthly total of Army recruits this year: 8,086 Number of months the Marine Corps missed its recruiting goals between January and April 2005: 4 Number of months the Marine Corps missed its recruiting goals in ten years before January 2005: 0 Prior to 2004, years since the Army National Guard last missed its annual recruiting goal: 11 Consecutive months the Army National Guard has missed its monthly recruiting goals: 9 Number of the six Reserve Components that met their recruiting goals last month: 2 Rate of loss of Army captains and lieutenants, the Army's junior officers, in 2004: 8.5 Average rate of loss of Army captains and lieutenants, 1996-2004: 7.3 Resignation requests submitted by Army Reserve Officers in 2001: 15 Resignation requests submitted by Army Reserve Officers, September 2003-September 2004: 370 Percent of Army enlisted special operations personnel leaving the force in 2004: 13 Percent of Army enlisted special operations personnel leaving in 2003: 6 # Recruiting and Retention Recruits needed per month for the rest of the fiscal year, if the Army is to meet its annual goal: 12,396.5 Highest monthly total of Army recruits this year: 8,086 Number of months the Marine Corps missed its recruiting goals between January and April 2005: 4 Number of months the Marine Corps missed its recruiting goals in ten years before January 2005: 0 Prior to 2004, years since the Army National Guard last missed its annual recruiting goal: 11 Consecutive months the Army National Guard has missed its monthly recruiting goals: 9 Number of the six Reserve Components that met their recruiting goals last month: 2 Rate of loss of Army captains and lieutenants, the Army's junior officers, in 2004: 8.5 Average rate of loss of Army captains and lieutenants, 1996-2004: 7.3 Resignation requests submitted by Army Reserve Officers in 2001: 15 Resignation requests submitted by Army Reserve Officers, September 2003-September 2004: 370 Percent of Army enlisted special operations personnel leaving the force in 2004: 13 Percent of Army enlisted special operations personnel leaving in 2003: 6 # Morale Percent of troops in Iraq reporting that their unit's morale is "low" or "very low": 54 Increase in the divorce rate among Army officers since the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom: 317 percent North Korea Estimated minimum number of nuclear weapons likely produced by North Korea during the Bush Administration: 4-6 Estimated number produced by North Korea from 1953 to 2000: 1-2 Potential number of nuclear weapons North Korea could possess by next year if Six-Party Talks continue to produce no disarmament agreement: 11 Homeland Security Factor by which passengers on mass transit systems exceed passengers on airlines: 16 Funding per passenger the Bush Administration has spent to secure mass transit systems since September 11, 2001: $0.01 Cost of security upgrades needed to protect rail and transit systems as estimated by U.S. transit authorities: $6 billion Amount of funding designated specifically for rail and transit security in President Bush's budget: $0 Total amount of funding added to the Fiscal Year 2006 Homeland Security Appropriations bill for rail security in the wake of the July 7 London Bombings: $0 Number of provisions in federal law requiring chemical facilities to establish safeguards against a terrorist attack: 0 Number of chemical facilities at which a terrorist strike could threaten the lives of over 1 million people: 123 Percent of cargo arriving at U.S. ports inspected for WMD: <1 Percent of "high-risk" cargo inspected: 17.5 Estimated economic impact of a terrorist attack to a U.S. port: $1 trillion Percent of Transportation Security Administration Fiscal Year 2005 budget allocated for port security grants: 2.8 Deadline for meeting port security standards set by the Maritime Transportation Security Act: 2004 Year in which MTSA port security standards will be met if port security funding levels remain constant: 2050 Ratio of federal air security screeners to federal surface transportation (rail and public transit) security screeners: 450:1 Homeland security grant dollars per capita awarded to the U.S. Virgin Islands in Fiscal Year 2004: $104.35 Homeland security grant dollars per capita awarded to California in Fiscal Year 2004: $4.97 Veterans Approximate number of Iraqi Freedom and Enduring Freedom veterans discharged from service, through June 2005: 393,00 Approximate number of these veterans seeking health care from VA hospitals, through June 2005: 103,000 Approximate number of these veterans diagnosed with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) or other mental ailments: 24,000 According to the Army Surgeon General, percent of troops returning from the Iraq war that have developed stress-related mental health problems: 30 Total funding requested specifically to meet the needs of Iraqi Freedom and Enduring Freedom veterans in the President's 2006 budget: $0 Total Compensation and Pension Claims Backlog: 507,952 Percent change in pending claims from the end of Fiscal Year 2003 to March 2005: +33 Gap between veterans' needs and President Bush's 2006 budget proposal: $3.5 billion Percent increase needed each year just to maintain existing programs in the face of medical inflation and other rising costs: 13-14 Percent increase in veterans health care funding requested in President Bush's 2006 Budget Proposal: 0.4 Fiscal Year 2005 budget shortfall announced by the VA: $1.27 billion Number of weeks prior to the VA's budget shortfall announcement that VA Secretary Nicholson told Congress, "I can assure you that VA does not need emergency supplemental funds in FY 2005": 11 Total funding shortfall for Fiscal Years 2005 and 2006 now identified by the Bush Administration: $3 billion Percentage rise in the number of veterans collecting unemployment insurance since August 2002: 96 Approximate number of veterans who experience homelessness during a given year: 500,000 Statistics of the Week # Energy and National Security Current barrels per day of oil consumed in the United States: 20.7 million Percent of the U.S. transportation sector fueled by oil: 97 Projected percent increase in U.S. oil demand between 2002 and 2025: 38.6 Projected percent increase in oil demand by India and China during that period: 169.0 Estimated potential impact of a major terrorist attack targeting oil infrastructure on the U.S. economy, measured in number of jobs lost: 2 million Number of insurgent or terrorist attacks on Iraqi oil assets since June 2003: 260 Percentage rise in world oil prices, by barrel, since June 2003: 128.4 Percent of the world's oil reserves controlled by countries ranked as "free" by Freedom House: 9 Additional oil costs attributed to a "fear premium" based on market fears of terrorist attacks paid by Americans each year: $40-$60 billion"

9/8/2005 8:22:36 AM

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"Hey Moron - instead of pointing out "facts" why don't you explain to the class why you think 9/11 was a failure. How about you also show an ounce of credibility and actually explain how the President "should have" handled said situations. If your not part of the solution, your no better then Pryderi and his "Bush is the Devil" bullshit. "

Read my post again.

I'm just asking for stuff good to say about Bush, so if some random person came up to me on the street and said "what has Bush done good?" I would have something to say. As a Bush-hater, the things I think of are the things I listed. It's my bias. I want to know what kind of things a Bush-lover, like yourself, would say. It's not a difficult question. I don't know if you attack on me is an indication that I'm right about Bush's performance, or if you're just an idiot.

9/8/2005 8:37:12 AM

^^dem's the facts

ggmon...rebuttal?

oh wait, liberal media, brainwash, i post stupid stuff to counter stupid stuff. blah blah blah.

still wont forget you posting that national review thing about the link between saddam and usama.


V then post a real fact you piece of shit. all ive ever seen you post is bad "yuck yuck, liberals are stupid" articles and hokey websites.



[Edited on September 8, 2005 at 11:41 AM. Reason : .]

9/8/2005 11:35:23 AM

You fucktards wouldn't know a fact if it slapped you in the face.

9/8/2005 11:39:15 AM

Wow..

I thought there was no way this was true:

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"Approximate amount appropriated by Congress for Iraq operations so far: $218 billion Approximate amount spent by the U.S. in World War I: $205 billion"

That there had to be some rediculous accounting and number crunching going on there... I was so sure infact that I started to write a post debunking it *while* I researched the actual numbers spent at the time and then calculated the net present value.

Damn was I wrong.

9/8/2005 12:06:22 PM

GGMon copped out.

GG.

9/8/2005 12:09:01 PM

^^

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"Lavim: I thought there was no way this was true"

Why? The US didn't jump into WWI until near the very end and contributed little in terms of bodies, weapons or anything else.

Although if pryderi wants to use WWI as the standard to which all future conflicts should aspire, I'm hoping that means we won't have to endure anymore threads highlighting the public opinion polls on Iraq...

9/8/2005 12:56:09 PM

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"WWI as the standard to which all future conflicts should aspire"

aha the aspiration of WWI was that it was "the war to end all wars"

9/8/2005 1:07:00 PM

The sequel was better on so many levels.

9/8/2005 1:13:34 PM

This is one of my favorite numbers;

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"Days since September 11, 2001 that Osama bin Laden has remained uncaptured: 1,452 Days after bombing Pearl Harbor that Japan surrendered to U.S. forces: 1,365"

9/8/2005 1:19:10 PM

So should we use nuclear weapons? Thats what made the war with Japan so much shorter than anyone expected.

9/8/2005 1:20:07 PM

No, but invading Iraq was not very effective in getting Osama.

9/8/2005 1:26:28 PM

Invading France was not very effective in defeating Japan.

9/8/2005 1:29:16 PM

Mr. Joshua, please stop posting. You're just shaming yourself at this point.

[Edited on September 8, 2005 at 2:32 PM. Reason : y]

9/8/2005 2:32:36 PM

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"GGMon pryderi copped out. GG."

9/8/2005 2:43:09 PM

I didn't cop out.

Arguing against an idiotic statement of,

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"Invading France was not very effective in defeating Japan."

is a waste of time.

9/8/2005 3:02:25 PM

Its on the same level as:

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"invading Iraq was not very effective in getting Osama."

9/8/2005 3:44:25 PM

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"So should we use nuclear weapons? Thats what made the war with Japan so much shorter than anyone expected."

9/8/2005 3:48:17 PM

Are you going somewhere with this or do you just want to be the last to post?

9/8/2005 3:51:32 PM

seeing as how the soviets came into the pacific theater not a week before we dropped the bomb, the war would have been over in a matter of weeks had there been an invasion of the mainland.

lots more casualties, but when the soviets invade you, you best get out of the way.

wait, what was this thread about again? oh...yeah

http://bushniggas.ytmnd.com/

9/8/2005 3:52:33 PM

^^ditto.

[Edited on September 8, 2005 at 3:52 PM. Reason : ^^]

9/8/2005 3:52:41 PM

^^ Most historians agree that the war would have gone on for years had the bomb not been dropped. I saw one estimate that the war could have lasted until 1950 without the bomb. The Soviets entered the Pacific theater in an effort to grab land in China prior to the end of hostilities, they would have been extremely reluctant to launch a large scale invasion of the mainland following their huge losses on the eastern front.

The popular slogan in Japan towards the end of the war was "Ten Million die for the emperor." Leaders made speeches urging civilians to fight with bamboo spears and told them that they were unworthy if they couldn't kill at least one invader before being killed.

Projections for American casualties were as high as one million. Look at Iwo Jima; it took 110,000 marines (25,000+ became casualties) over a month to secure less than eight square miles of land. Do you really think that the entire island of Japan would fall any easier? Its ridiculous to say that the battle for Japan would have been a short or easy fight.

^ Another brilliant post from pryderi.

[Edited on September 8, 2005 at 4:06 PM. Reason : .]

9/8/2005 4:05:11 PM

^that was the slogan all along

now we could go into the arguments as to whether it would have been more effective to detonate the bomb on hiroshima, over tokyo harbor, or on mt. fuji (each one would have sent the same message to the military, that their days were numbered).

but the japanese did fear soviet intervention. ive read accounts by japanese officers discussing how much they wanted to avoid contact w/ the soviets. the japanese and soviets had some real issues in the late 19th-early 20th centuries. the military were the ones making all the descisions, the emperor was just a complete tool and never exerted control over strategy.

[Edited on September 8, 2005 at 4:19 PM. Reason : .]

9/8/2005 4:17:40 PM

They would have doubted we had the moral backbone to use the bomb on them. Since we only had two bombs we wouldn't have been able to prove we would use them against civilians.

Remember, they started the war believing we didn't have the stomach for it.

9/8/2005 4:51:33 PM

Where's Osama?

9/8/2005 6:33:13 PM

^^^^the professor who taught me that period of American history said that Japan was damn near completely exhausted of artillery by that point. Their desparate kamikaze attacks increased by about 200% over the last year of Japanese involvement.

[Edited on September 8, 2005 at 6:44 PM. Reason : e3h5/223333]

9/8/2005 6:43:52 PM

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"You fucktards wouldn't know a fact if it slapped you in the face."

[Edited on September 8, 2005 at 7:34 PM. Reason : ah huh.]

9/8/2005 7:32:27 PM

^^^ you mean he's not your roomate afterall?

9/8/2005 9:07:28 PM

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"Where's Osama?"

Osama...who's that?

9/8/2005 10:21:02 PM

9/9/2005 12:43:50 AM

I take it you consider him a viable threat?

9/9/2005 12:49:16 AM

FFS he's just chillin' in Pakistan with Musharraf.

That's where Osama is.

9/9/2005 12:53:09 AM

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"Bush pledges to get bin Laden, dead or alive WASHINGTON (AP) — President Bush pledged anew Friday that Osama bin Laden will be taken "dead or alive," no matter how long it takes, amid indications that the suspected terrorist may be bottled up in a rugged Afghan canyon. The president, in an Oval Office meeting with Thailand's prime minister, would not predict the timing of bin Laden's capture but said he doesn't care how the suspect is brought to justice. "I don't care, dead or alive — either way," Bush said. "It doesn't matter to me.""

http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2001/12/14/bush-binladen.htm

Bush is a prancing pansy.

9/9/2005 12:55:01 AM

Usama Bin-Laden and tha Underground

9/9/2005 1:20:00 AM

9.11.05

9/9/2005 1:33:47 AM

I said it before and I will say it again -you fucktards would not know a "fact" if it slapped you in the face.

9/9/2005 7:04:14 AM

Post a fact.

9/9/2005 8:24:09 AM

come on, he left his vacation two days early to help the hurricane victims

don't say Bush never did anything to help TEH PEOPLE

9/9/2005 9:02:40 AM

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"Post a fact"

the war in Iraq was/is justified

9/9/2005 10:49:01 AM

i heard he defeated Bowser while playing Super Mario Brothers on his first attemt!

9/9/2005 11:27:19 AM

oooh, thats right...I forgot a/b that guy...for some I thought it was Sadaam who blew up the towers.

9/9/2005 12:16:19 PM

^^^facts tend to be backed up by substance (ie: accounts, numbers, stuff like that)

you lose again. get back to work.

9/9/2005 3:12:41 PM

I'm reading all this with an unbiased scope, and yes, GGMon isn't helping his cause much.

9/9/2005 3:20:03 PM