They need to hurry the hell up and announce who is going down!

10/19/2005 6:29:31 PM

as far as scandals go this is pretty lame

10/19/2005 6:31:41 PM

well, until the Abramov situation comes to a head this is the best thing going

10/19/2005 6:46:44 PM

rove cheney libby shit, SOMEBODY is going DOWN!!1

[Edited on October 19, 2005 at 7:19 PM. Reason : *]

10/19/2005 7:19:01 PM

where is that "slapped karl rove in the head" thing from? I assume it's fake

10/19/2005 8:57:19 PM

fitz is being a little bitch. holding back info and shit..

10/19/2005 9:17:50 PM

^^it is a little weird

10/19/2005 10:57:41 PM

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"as far as scandals go this is pretty lame"

TREASON IS LAME?????

10/19/2005 11:13:32 PM

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"Bush whacked Rove on CIA leak BY THOMAS M. DeFRANK DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF WASHINGTON - An angry President Bush rebuked chief political guru Karl Rove two years ago for his role in the Valerie Plame affair, sources told the Daily News. "He made his displeasure known to Karl," a presidential counselor told The News. "He made his life miserable about this.""

http://nydailynews.com/front/story/357107p-304312c.html

10/19/2005 11:22:25 PM

Quote :

"everything the democrats said about kenn star"

-republicans on fitzgerald as soon as there are indictments

10/20/2005 7:40:20 AM

10:50 am

giggidy

10/20/2005 8:36:38 AM

pryd, someone posted that article on the first page. too slow, man

10/20/2005 8:58:25 AM

^what are you talking about?

10/20/2005 9:01:09 AM

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"10:50 am giggidy"

what?

10/20/2005 9:10:52 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902431.html

White House adviser Karl Rove told the grand jury in the CIA leak case that I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, may have told him that CIA operative Valerie Plame worked for the intelligence agency before her identity was revealed, a source familiar with Rove's account said yesterday.

In a talk that took place in the days before Plame's CIA employment was revealed in 2003, Rove and Libby discussed conversations they had had with reporters in which Plame and her marriage to Iraq war critic Joseph C. Wilson IV were raised, the source said. Rove told the grand jury the talk was confined to information the two men heard from reporters, the source said.

Rove has also testified that he also heard about Plame from someone else outside the White House, but could not recall who.

The Post article gives a recitation of some key facts and it named a lot of names. All the key players in the Bush Admin. have been tainted by this scandal in some way. These are all the different players that appeared in today's article:

President Bush
Vice President Cheney
Karl Rove
Scooter Libby
John Hannah, "an aide to Cheney"
Ari Fleischer "former White House spokesman"
Mary Matalin, "a former top Cheney adviser"
Catherine Martin, "[Cheney's] former communications adviser"
Jennifer Millerwise, "[Cheney's] former spokeswoman"
Scott McClellan "spokesman"
Dan Bartlett "senior adviser"
Adam Levine "former communications aide"
Colin L. Powell "then-Secretary of State"
Stephen J. Hadley "Bush's national security adviser"
Andrew H. Card Jr. "Chief of Staff"
Condoleezza Rice "then-national security adviser" ,
Karen Hughes, "adviser"
Nicholas Calio "White House director of legislative affairs"
George J. Tenet "Former CIA director"
John E. McLaughlin "ex-deputy [CIA] director
Bill Harlow "CIA public affairs director"

The one name missing in the Post article is David Wurmser, a Cheney aide, who Raw Story reported is cooperating with Fitzgerald. Wurmser has ties to another Bush favorite:

Wurmser, Cheney’s Middle East advisor and an assistant to then-Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Affairs John Bolton, likely cooperated because he faced criminal charges for his role in leaking Wilson's name on the orders of higher-ups, the sources said.

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/10/wapo-links-rovelibby-and-has-whole.html

and yeah, 10:50 what?

10/20/2005 10:36:00 AM

xtremely unconformed rumors:

http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/002492.html

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" Uncomfirmed rumors What follows is some extremely sensitive information about the impending conclusion of the Valerie Plame investigations. The sources include two senior members of senate and key staffers; counsel for individuals that have been called before the grand jury; and two journalists taking a lead position in investigating the case. the following represents a composite of the information from those sources. Plamegate coming to conclusion. The investigation has focused mostly closely on Vice President Cheney and his staff, as well as US Ambassador to the UN (and former undersecretary of state for arms control) John Bolton and his staff. We are told that eight indictments have already prepared, with the possibility of another ten. These indictments include senior white house staff, most notably Vice President Cheney's Chief of Staff Scooter Libby, Fred Flights (special assistant to John Bolton), and--very surprisingly--national security adviser Steve Hadley. apparently, Libby and Hadley have both been told by their lawyers to expect indictments. the indictment of senior bush political advisor Karl Rove seems highly probable. Most critically, a plea bargain process has evidently been opened with Vice President Cheney's lawyer. that does not mean that an indictment is coming. but i've some critical background around the issue."

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"During the meeting, Powell recounted to the senator that he had traveled on air force one with Bush and Cheney, and brought to their attention a classified memorandum about the issue of whether there was indeed a transaction inolving Niger and yellow cake uranium. the document included Ambassador Joe Wilson's involvement and identified his wife, Valerie Plame, as a covert agent. the memorandum further stated that this information was secret. Powell told McCain that he showed that memo only to two people--president and vice president. according to Powell, Cheney fixated on the Wilson/Plame connection, and Plame's status. Powell testified about this exchange in great length to the grand jury investigating the plame case. according to sources close to the case, Powell appeared convinced that the vice president played a focal role in disclosing plame's undercover status."

The problem, as Jeralyn points out, is that Cheney didn't go on the Africa trip. It's also been reported that Powell told Fitzgerald he showed the memo to Ari Fleischer -- who was, in any case, spotted reading it aboard Air Force One. Which in the end may make it the most costly government document that Ari's ever read. He should have stuck to the in-flight magazine.
http://billmon.org/archives/002276.html

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"Lead prosecutor patrick Fitzgerald has apparently been looking at the precedent of formerly indicted Nixon vice president Spiro Agnew. this shows the likely path, because addressing executive immunity and privilege questions would necessarily begin start with a plea-bargain deal that would entail a resignation. This is all likely to occur within the next week. 28 october (next friday) is the last day of the grand jury, and no requests have been made to extend their session. the investigator is expecting to wrap up by then. There are enormous implication for what would be the biggest white house shakeup since the iran-contra scandal in the Reagan era. President Bush's approval rating at 39% has already led to a significant decrease in policy efficacy with key legislators in congress (which i've already discussed at length elsewhere). i'll spin out the broader policy implications when i have some time to write at greater length, but i wanted to get this out immediately. One interesting point though--it is worth noting that a parade of senior republican senators have evidently been privately pushing McCain to lobby to be Cheney's replacement. Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) has also been mentioned. meanwhile, the White House has already been developing countermeasures--notably including senior White House officials privately voicing president bush's disappointment in Karl Rove's involvement in the case, calling it "misconduct." an urgent search for a rove replacement is already underway."

10/20/2005 11:18:25 AM

you'd have to be a complete fool to associate yourself with this administration.

there's no way mccain is gonna ask to be the new VP

10/20/2005 11:29:02 AM

Again, props to Fitzgerald for not turning this thing into a circus ala Ken Starr.

No idea what, if any, indictments will come out of this. Rove and Libby are the likely suspects but who the hell knows at this point.

Again, a big golfclap for Fitzgerald.

10/20/2005 11:50:43 AM

For what it's worth (0), I could totally see Powell turning over if given the chance. He's about the only one with any shred of dignity left, most of which he's already pissed away with the UN dog and pony show about WMD's.

10/20/2005 11:53:22 AM

Cue the sirens!

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"NYT FRIDAY: Rove and Libby have been advised that they may be in serious legal jeopardy, but only this week has Fitzgerald begun to narrow the possible charges. The prosecutor has said he will not make up his mind about any charges until next week, government officials say... Developing... "

10/20/2005 11:58:06 PM

nm about 10:50 -- i thought the prez would say something aside from "omfg rumors!"

but yea...if nothing happens next week, a lot of people are gonna look like idiots

10/21/2005 1:57:10 AM

the prosecuter just opened up a website for the upcoming results for this case

oooohhhhh its gonna be sooonnnnnnnnnnn


http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/index.html

[Edited on October 21, 2005 at 5:22 PM. Reason : -]

10/21/2005 5:20:44 PM

Still waiting on those indictments...

10/22/2005 8:26:38 AM

we will know by the end of next week

10/22/2005 9:04:03 AM

I bet you'll say the same thing next week.

10/22/2005 9:29:14 AM

No, that's what the prosecutor said.

10/22/2005 12:22:35 PM

^^ the grand jury expires

if nothing happens next week, ill never mention this topic again

10/22/2005 1:28:19 PM

This is the week we will find out.

*anxious*

10/23/2005 9:45:26 PM

Quote :

"I bet you'll say the same thing next week."

You have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

10/23/2005 9:50:43 PM

Quote :

"In a preview of how Republicans would counter charges against top administration officials by Fitzgerald, Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas brushed aside an indictment for perjury -- rather than for the underlying crime of outing a covert operative -- as a "technicality.""

I think I see what she means...

technicality (tek-ni-kal-ti) n.

1. (1998) Something meaningful or relevant only to rabid Republicans
2. (2005) Something meaningful or relevant only to the kook fringe of t3h l3ft

10/23/2005 9:58:59 PM

on fox, they were all like

"well...nobody is gonna get convicted on the leak charge...and it isnt right for them to be convicted on the perjury obstruction ect stuff becuase there lying wasnt bad...clintion lies were really outright lies"

they are so screwed and its funny watching them squirm

10/23/2005 10:03:56 PM

10/24/2005 9:05:25 AM

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyID=2005-10-23T161616Z_01_MOR119416_RTRUKOC_0_US-BUSH-LEAK.xml

Quote :

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald appears to be laying the groundwork for indictments this week over the outing of a covert CIA operative, including possible charges of perjury and obstruction of justice, lawyers involved in case said on Sunday. Top administration officials are expected to learn from Fitzgerald as early as Monday whether they will face charges as the prosecutor winds up his nearly two-year investigation, the lawyers said. Fitzgerald could convene the grand jury as early as Tuesday to lay out a final summary of the case and ask for approval of possible indictments, legal sources said. The grand jury hearing the CIA leak case normally meets on Wednesdays and is scheduled to expire on Friday unless Fitzgerald extends it."

10/24/2005 10:51:42 AM

lies over sex or wmd??

id prefer my gov. officials lie over ????

10/24/2005 9:40:15 PM

its been leaked...the indictments are ariving tomorrow

headlines on weds.

[Edited on October 24, 2005 at 10:15 PM. Reason : -]

10/24/2005 10:14:58 PM

yeah...i heard today that a lawyer close to the investigation said that they have nothing....case closed

10/24/2005 10:21:57 PM

ha

good one

10/24/2005 10:51:37 PM

Quote :

"Fitzgerald expanded scope of inquiry in 2004 to probe Niger forgeries 10/24/2005 @ 1:13 pm Filed by Jason Leopold The special prosecutor investigating the outing of a covert CIA agent expanded his probe last year to include intelligence information used by the Bush administration claiming that Iraq tried to purchase yellow-cake uranium from Niger, RAW STORY has found. Advertisement According to a court filing posted on the website of Patrick Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor investigating who leaked the name of undercover CIA agent to reporters, was interested in questioning New York Times reporter Judith Miller about the CIA agent or whether she discussed Iraq's alleged efforts to purchase uranium from Niger. "On August 12 and August 20, 2004, grand jury subpoenas were issued to reporter Judith Miller and her employer, the New York Times, seeking documents and testimony related to “conversations between Miller and a specified government official occurring between on or about July 6, 2003 and on or about July 13, 2003, concerning Valerie Plame Wilson (whether referred to by name or by description) or concerning Iraqi efforts to obtain uranium.” the filing made by Fitzgerald last year states. While many public officials and the media have long believed that Fitzgerald was not only looking into the identity of administration officials that leaked Plame's name to reporters, this is the first time there is information there is confirmation the investigation had expanded to investigate the Niger forgeries. NATO sources told United Press International Monday that Fitzgerald's team of investigators has sought and obtained documentation on the forgeries from the Italian government. According to the report, "Fitzgerald's team has been given the full, and as yet unpublished report of the Italian parliamentary inquiry into the affair, which started when an Italian journalist obtained documents that appeared to show officials of the government of Niger helping to supply the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein with Yellowcake uranium. This claim, which made its way into President Bush's State of the Union address in January, 2003, was based on falsified documents from Niger and was later withdrawn by the White House." SECOND LEAK STORY DEVELOPING... SOON...."

http://rawstory.com/admin/dbscripts/printstory.php?story=1338

Interesting. Fitzgerald has probably known for a long time who leaked the information, seeing as Robert Novak originally published Valerie Plame's work as a CIA agent and hasn't spent 1 day in jail.

Quote :

"The Dixon campaign incident In 1970, Rove used a false identity to enter the campaign office of Illinois Democrat Alan Dixon and stole some letterhead, which he used to print fake campaign rally fliers promising "free beer, free food, girls and a good time for nothing," and distributed them at rock concerts and homeless shelters. Rove admitted the incident later, saying "It was a youthful prank at the age of 19 and I regret it." (The Washington Post, 7/23/99)."

Quote :

"Fitzgerald has reportedly asked for a copy of the Italian government’s investigation into the break-in of the Niger embassy in Rome and the source of the forged documents. The blatantly fake papers—which purported to show that Saddam Hussein had cut a deal to get yellowcake uranium from Niger—turned up after a December 2001 meeting in Rome involving neocon Michael Ledeen, Larry Franklin, Harold Rhodes and Niccolo Pollari, the head of Italy’s intelligence agency SISMI and Antonio Martino, the Italian defense minister. If Fitzgerald is examining the possibility that Ledeen was executing a plan to help his friend Karl Rove build a case for invading Iraq? Ledeen has long ties to Italian intelligence agency operatives and has spanned the globe to bring the world the constant variety of what he calls “creative destruction” to build democracies. He makes the other neocons appear passive. He brought the Reagan administration together with the Iranian arms dealer who dragged the country through Iran-Contra, and shares with his close friend Karl Rove a personal obsession with Machiavelli. Ledeen, who is almost rabidly anti-Arab, famously told The Washington Post that Karl Rove told him, “Any time you have a good idea, tell me.” "

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20051021/fitzgeralds_historic_opportunity.php

10/24/2005 11:05:23 PM

Quote :

"In an explosive series of articles appearing this week in the Italian newspaper La Repubblica, investigative reporters Carlo Bonini and Giuseppe d'Avanzo report that Nicolo Pollari, chief of Italy's military intelligence service, known as Sismi, brought the Niger yellowcake story directly to the White House after his insistent overtures had been rejected by the Central Intelligence Agency in 2001 and 2002. Sismi had reported to the CIA on October 15, 2001, that Iraq had sought yellowcake in Niger, a report it also plied on British intelligence, creating an echo that the Niger forgeries themselves purported to amplify before they were exposed as a hoax. Today's exclusive report in La Repubblica reveals that Pollari met secretly in Washington on September 9, 2002, with then–Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley. Their secret meeting came at a critical moment in the White House campaign to convince Congress and the American public that war in Iraq was necessary to prevent Saddam Hussein from developing nuclear weapons. National Security Council spokesman Frederick Jones confirmed the meeting to the Prospect on Tuesday. Pollari told the newspaper that since 2001, when he became Sismi's director, the only member of the U.S. administration he has met officially is his former CIA counterpart George Tenet. But the Italian newspaper quotes a high-ranking Italian Sismi source asserting a meeting with Hadley. La Repubblica also quotes a Bush administration official saying, "I can confirm that on September 9, 2002, General Nicolo Pollari met Stephen Hadley." The paper goes on to note the significance of that date, highlighting the appearance of a little-noticed story in Panorama a weekly magazine owned by Italian Prime Minister and Bush ally Silvio Berlusconi, that was published three days after Pollari's meeting with Hadley. The magazine's September 12, 2002, issue claimed that Iraq's intelligence agency, the Mukhabarat, had acquired 500 tons of uranium from Nigeria through a Jordanian intermediary. (While this September 2002 Panorama report mentioned Nigeria, the forgeries another Panorama reporter would be proferred less than a month later purportedly concerned Niger.) "

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=10506

10/25/2005 2:43:22 PM

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"Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald has decided to seek indictments in the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson and has submitted at least one to the grand jury, those close to the investigation tell RAW STORY. Fitzgerald will seek at least two indictments, the sources say. They note that it remains to be seen whether the grand jury will approve the charges. Those familiar with the case state that Fitzgerald may not seek indictments that assert officials leaked Plame's name illegally. Rather, they say that he will focus charges in the arena of lying to investigators. The sources said, however, they wouldn't rule out charges of conspiracy. Advertisement The specifics of the charges remain unclear, and they are not final, so charges beyond lying to the grand jury could certainly be handed down. Any possible indictments are now in the hands of the grand jury. They are expected to be made public later this week."

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Fitzgerald_has_decided_to_seek_indictments_1025.html

10/25/2005 3:11:15 PM

Quote :

"Wolf Blitzer: Does the CIA believe that there was damage done to US national security as a result of Valerie Plame Wilson's name being leaked? David Ensor, CNN National Security Correspondent: I'm told that in the day that it was leaked there was a quick look done, as there routinely would be, at whether there was damage. Officials simply won't go into the details, but I did speak to one official who did say yes, there was damage, this woman had a long career and she was posing as someone else, and all those people who saw her now know that she wasn't the person they thought that they were dealing with."

TREASON

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"CBS’ JOHN ROBERTS: Lawyers familiar with the case think Wednesday is when special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald will make known his decision, and that there will be indictments. Supporters say Rove and the vice president’s chief of staff, Scooter Libby, are in legal jeopardy. But they insisted today the two are secondary players, that it was an unidentified Mr. X who actually gave the name of CIA agent V alerie Plame to reporters. Fitzgerald knows who Mr. X is, they say, and if he isn’t indicted, there’s no way Rove or Libby should be. But charges may not focus on the leak at all. Obstruction of justice or perjury are real possibilities. Did Rove or Libby change statements made under oath? Did they deliberately leave critical facts out of their testimony or did they honestly forget? Some Republicans urged Rove to step down if indicted. Not a happy prospect for president Bush."

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/25/decision-tommorow/

[Edited on October 25, 2005 at 8:38 PM. Reason : ,.]

10/25/2005 8:35:55 PM

Quote :

" America and our friends and allies join with all those who want peace and security in the world, and we stand together to win the war against terrorism. Tonight, I ask for your prayers for all those who grieve, for the children whose worlds have been shattered, for all whose sense of safety and security has been threatened."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010911-16.html

Quote :

"trea·son Audio pronunciation of "treason" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (trzn) n. 1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies."

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=treason

10/25/2005 8:45:05 PM

hmm

[Edited on October 25, 2005 at 8:46 PM. Reason : .]

10/25/2005 8:46:35 PM

Valerie Plame was a covert CIA agent who specialized in tracking other countries’ efforts to acquire WMD.

Outing her is/was treason.

10/25/2005 9:33:22 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/25/cia.leak/index.html

10/25/2005 10:11:19 PM

Hahahaha...

Quote :

"(CNN) -- Only one in 10 Americans said they believe Bush administration officials did nothing illegal or unethical in connection with the leaking of a CIA operative's identity, according to a national poll released Tuesday."

Is that you, TGD?

---

So no one forgets...

Quote :

"Excoriator: he's not gonna be indicted, kids"

[Edited on October 25, 2005 at 10:23 PM. Reason : >.<]

10/25/2005 10:17:32 PM

I wonder about that 10%.

10/25/2005 10:31:37 PM

I HATE THIS THREAD
YOU KNOW WHY
BECAUSE EVERY TIME I SEE IT
I REALLY THINK HE HAS BEEN INDICTED
I MEAN, WHEN IT HAPPENS, I'LL LOVE THIS THREAD
BUT IT KEEPS BLOWING ITS WAD TOO SOON

10/25/2005 11:25:31 PM

^ haha me too

10/25/2005 11:30:22 PM

Quote :

"Indictments Confirmed The Financial Times confirms the scoop we highlighted earlier: "Indictments in the CIA leak investigation case are expected to be handed down by a grand jury on Wednesday, bringing to a head a criminal inquiry that threatens to disrupt seriously President George W. Bush's second term." Meanwhile, Roll Call reports that special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald "was spotted Tuesday at the law offices of Patton Boggs paying a visit to Robert Luskin, the eccentric (for Washington, D.C.) lawyer who represents Karl Rove.""

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2005/10/25/indictments_confirmed.html


DUM DUM DUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMM

10/25/2005 11:56:53 PM