Goodnight is building a 5-star hotel, in Cary...

10/26/2005 4:04:58 PM

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"I do question how a 42-story building will only be 30 feet taller than a 32-story building (two Hanover)."

56 feet of the BB&T building is the antenna.

10/26/2005 4:12:29 PM

That shouldn't count. GAY!

10/26/2005 4:25:28 PM

Ya know that picture of the Sears Tower isn't even close to scale...

10/26/2005 4:32:29 PM

I think what's important is that the huge eyesore next to Crabtree Mall is going away. I have been hoping for that for some time now.

10/26/2005 4:40:27 PM

^^I'm teaching Proportions and Ratios to my 8th grade Algebra I class. I think you should sit in.

10/26/2005 4:44:20 PM

i hope they go with Thyssen Krupp(used to be Dover) for the elvators rather than Otis or Schindler(formerly westinghouse)

10/26/2005 5:05:16 PM

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"Not to burst peoples bubbles but uh... Charlotte, though nice skyline, has one of the worst fucking road systems I've ever seen. That shit was put together by some blind retard having an epileptic seizure. "

thats because its built on the orginal trade routes that went through charlotte long before it was ever a city... the reason Charlotte grew was because it was the intersection of several trade routes... these several trade routes were then simply paved as charlotte grew... charlotte was never planned and a grid setup, it just kinda happened

10/26/2005 5:12:34 PM

ye, and out-of-towners don't know the best routes

10/26/2005 5:13:48 PM

when i stayed in charlotte for work i only used 77 and trade street and one other road

i walked the rest of the time

10/26/2005 5:19:18 PM

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"I mean, Winston-Salem has a better skyline than Raleigh "

Viva la fallace palace

10/26/2005 5:29:56 PM

i'd rather keep the eyesore than back up the glenwood/beltline intersection even more. i have to go thru that every day.

10/26/2005 6:39:50 PM

the newer sections of 540 will probably be open to traffic before this thing is open to the public. For a building that size you are talking 2 years from groud brekaing to finish if everythign goes perfect and NOTHING gets behind. That is running double shift or tripple shift 7 days a week. Traffic there will DECREASE, as people will be MORE likley to go OUT and hit 540 and go around.

10/26/2005 6:46:37 PM

i still think unless they take out that stop light just before the beltline on glenwood, then traffic in that area will never get better. 540 is a 15 minute drive in the opposite direction if you're going from glenwood to hillsborough st/cary/etc. i have a hard time believing that opening new sections of 540 will really change much in that area.

10/26/2005 6:49:55 PM

The reason they put it in N. Raleigh is b/c it is only 4 miles form the RBC Center. This is the only way we can accomodate/attract "high profile" clients for bigger sporting events. Heck if I had a house around there my property value would def go up.

10/26/2005 7:14:01 PM

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"Viva la fallace palace"

Phallus Palace.

10/26/2005 7:38:38 PM

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"Ya know that picture of the Sears Tower isn't even close to scale..."

Well, if it isn't exact, it's still pretty damn close.

10/26/2005 7:48:10 PM

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"Not to burst peoples bubbles but uh... Charlotte, though nice skyline, has one of the worst fucking road systems I've ever seen. That shit was put together by some blind retard having an epileptic seizure. "

this is pretty inaccurate, actually.

charlotte has one of the best maintained road systems i've ever driven consistently on.

raleigh roads are shittastic

10/26/2005 8:19:55 PM

im excited about this project. i saw the little clip on wral about it and it looks like a cool building/design with a lot to offer. the site is the only thing that is a little disconcerting about it, but i say itll be good for the city anyway.

10/26/2005 8:36:16 PM

why do super tall buildings have that spike on top? just to make them taller or does it help with balance / airplanes or something?

10/26/2005 8:38:26 PM

why is everyone so worried about our skyline?

why do you care if it doesnt look as good as others


fuck skylines

10/26/2005 8:41:55 PM

here:

10/26/2005 8:50:43 PM

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"why do super tall buildings have that spike on top? just to make them taller or does it help with balance / airplanes or something?"

Its a damn good place to put antennas since it has much further line of sight and you don't have to put a tower below it.

10/26/2005 8:52:14 PM

yeah they do it to make them taller

its like a dick for a building

10/26/2005 8:58:16 PM

This is awesome for Raleigh, and I'm really excited about it. Raleigh needs an iconic building. The location for this is perfect, as it is so convenient to everything, and there is a crappy hotel in that same spot right now. The whole area around the mall is being renovated with new shops and offices. The neighborhoods around this area are all really excited b/c it is going to look so much better there.

10/26/2005 9:01:18 PM

^^Penis hat.

10/26/2005 9:12:26 PM

wow. that's a pussy ass building right there

10/26/2005 10:17:17 PM

my ex-boss is building the mid-rise for the convention center...its supposed to be "the" hotel in raleigh, like "6" stars, top of the line...he's using his pet chef for the food...rooftop bar/pool is a possibility

THE LAFAYETTE it will be called

10/26/2005 10:42:30 PM

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"This is awesome for Raleigh, and I'm really excited about it. Raleigh needs an iconic building. The location for this is perfect, as it is so convenient to everything, and there is a crappy hotel in that same spot right now. The whole area around the mall is being renovated with new shops and offices. The neighborhoods around this area are all really excited b/c it is going to look so much better there."

I hope that's sarcasm. This is a crappy idea, I don't know who would want to wake up and live in the shadow of this huge thing. Tall buildings like this BELONG downtown. I'm all for it if it is downtown.

Even if these people are "excited" now, what always happens is that after something like this is built you get those people that come out of the woodwork. You know them, we all do. The people who want a buck and are like "I didn't know it'd be that big, I want to be compensated".

There should be a height restriction on crap like this. That area does not need the traffic something like this will bring. If it were to go downtown it'd bring more people downtown (in theory) and boost growth down there.

Not to mention the money they'd have to spend on Glenwood to fix the traffic problems in accordance with this.

My 2 cents, take it as you will.

10/26/2005 10:48:56 PM

Here is a newsflash....traffic is not bad in charlotte or raleigh. Traffic and conjestion isn't a bad thing. No matter how wide you make your roads and how many roads you prevent from intersecting, you will still reach conjestion. The problem is that we depend on cars to go everywhere and that instead of having smaller streets connecting, we have to go to the main thoroughfairs. This is due to post ww3 ideas of how to develope.

conjestion isn't even a bad thing. What is more important is that our roads don't become huge highways due to traffic engineers that only think about moving quickly. these ideas kill neighborhoods. Look at independence as it becomes a highway right at 277 or capitol close to downtown (or capitol period)

[Edited on October 26, 2005 at 11:03 PM. Reason : ]

10/26/2005 11:03:18 PM

so for the people that remember fran - do you guys remember where flooding was real bad? it was right where they are going to put this thing

10/26/2005 11:05:18 PM

HOLY SHIT! 480ft??? damn i've never been that high before....i can't wait!

10/26/2005 11:07:43 PM

The design puts cars in the region that is flooded, not areas of residence etc. If you can't move your car, you suck at life.

[Edited on October 26, 2005 at 11:09 PM. Reason : you are kidding right^]

10/26/2005 11:09:06 PM

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"What is more important is that our roads don't become huge highways due to traffic engineers that only think about moving quickly."

This is what I see happening to that already wide section of road in that area. I can see them expanding it or narrowing the lanes or something.

Just gotta wait and see I guess how this pans out.

10/26/2005 11:11:16 PM

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"HOLY SHIT! 480ft??? damn i've never been that high before....i can't wait!"

you've never flown? you've never been to the arch or the empire state building?
How the fuck did you get here from sandnigger land

10/26/2005 11:11:29 PM

i hitched a ride on your mommas back. thats how.

10/26/2005 11:25:07 PM

here are the sketches and models

10/26/2005 11:37:31 PM

its ugly

10/27/2005 12:08:49 AM

Personally, I think downtown is a piece of trash. I know some people think culture is important, but I'd have most of the buildings torn down and reconstructed before I would start building extra buildings on top of it. Maybe Glenwood could be the "New Downtown"

10/27/2005 12:28:32 AM

Hey, that actually looks kind of cool.

It would add a hell of a lot of character to the area.

10/27/2005 12:40:41 AM

i like this idea. for you skyline people- this helps our skyline. raleigh will soon have mutlitple skylines l (crabtree, north hill, ttc and downtown - snf each have big time plans for more tall buildings). who says you have to have one centralized skyline? look at l.a.

also notice that capital cities usually (with the exception of the 8 cities below) tend to have smaller skylines. (i assume its because all the government buildings are about 8 stories tall) but raleighs is one of the bigger ones
-atlanta
-minneapolis
-indianapolis
-pheonix
-denver
-boston
-nashville
-columbus
considering those are the only state capitals with skylines more impressive than raleighs and they are all more centralized cities than raleigh and these along wiht many more are much more populus cities than raleigh; raleighs not that bad.

traffic will be worse but thats a price to pay for moving raleigh up to a higher level. there is no way opening the eastern and southern portions of 540 will help this at all. 540 has been complete from 40-capital for a while.

i love the new progress energy plaza, and fayetteville street plans.is the new convention center gonna be an arena? thats what downtown needs.

i dont know much about how city planning works but why in the world do big developments like this get DECLINED that is just crazy to me. is there more reasoning behind it than just hicks who want to keep farmland in raleigh?

if anybody has information on the following plans please share it
-tall hotel across from rbc next to cardinal gibbons
-tall condos at norht hills
-several tall office buildings, hotels and apartments at ttc
-new plans for highwoods?



[Edited on October 27, 2005 at 12:53 AM. Reason : add sacremento]

10/27/2005 12:50:19 AM

yeah they wanna keep the farmland over by crabtree

10/27/2005 12:51:29 AM

they are still talking about the posibility of a supertowoer, or a progress energy phase 3 on the block across from the new one


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10/27/2005 12:55:57 AM

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"who says you have to have one centralized skyline? look at l.a."

haha yeah l.a. is a great example of urban planning

10/27/2005 1:03:44 AM

The city needs to build up rather than out. 540 does nothing but create more sprawl, just like all outer belts.


I like the design. I would rather it be downtown though.

[Edited on October 27, 2005 at 1:05 AM. Reason : ]

10/27/2005 1:04:37 AM

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"is there more reasoning behind it than just hicks who want to keep farmland in raleigh?"

I imagine it could be political reasons (favors), planning reasons (they don't want big buildings there, they want to have all their big buildings in a different spot), infrastructure reasons (putting this building here would cause too much strain on the local infrastructure, to the detriment of other local businesses), economic reasons (this area already is saturated with enough of these types of buildings/businesses, putting one like this here will cannibalize business from other local firms, hurting the local economy), and possibly for other factors (there is talk of planned infrastructure that would require land on this lot. since building a building here would upset these plans and be a waste of investment, they are turned down. There may also be concerns that future projects in the area that will change drainage patterns in the area may cause severe problems for buildings of this type being constructed in this area. Other future plans like rezoning could also affect whether or not they want new development in an area).

And yeah, some of those probably don't happen in real life, I'm just thinking up ideas.

10/27/2005 1:25:55 AM

buliding up would be a very very very very very bad idea in raleigh until they build Mass Transit systems. like rail, subway, buses. The area will be too densly populated for the highway system we got. Even with 50 lanes on each side.

10/27/2005 1:32:02 AM

also crabtree creek was dug(or whatever the term for making streams deeper is) so much deeper that it would take alot more rain than we got in fran to flood again. it will never flood like that again unless a levy breaks or something

10/27/2005 2:34:40 AM

haha what a stupid idea

Raleigh is such a joke sometimes

10/27/2005 4:14:36 AM

ITS NO CALIFORNIA, THATS FOR SURE

10/27/2005 8:26:41 AM