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"the point is, the xbox360 game that is being demoed right now isn't using the capabilities of the system and as a result lots of regular fucking computers CAN duplicate what i've seen so far (one game - COD)"

COD was developed for the PC too... its like how EA always developed their games for the PS2 also so they couldn't push the envelope of graphics as much as possible on the XBox (2k series was much better looking)

11/7/2005 10:44:00 AM

i understand what you mean jb, but what people own computing wise isnt very clear. i guess it just depends who you are. my point still stands about multiplayer being cheaper (4 ppl one box, or 4x ppl on X boxes....hoho get it), even with xboxlive subscription included.

i still think that for many, upgrading to get said performance would cost more each time than purchasing the system. say i got a computer when the ps1 came out, then upgraded at ps2 and ps3. i think the upgrades would cost more to get the same performance than the system would (cuz the graphics card alone would probably be 300-400 bucks).

another less valid point is that, as a kid, you might only have 1 family comp thus making other ppl need it for the other tasks you mentioned (thus you spent money but cannot play the game at any time you could a console). i know we are more talking about unlimited budget/use hypotheticals here, but its worth mentioning.

11/7/2005 11:14:10 AM

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"another less valid point is that, as a kid, you might only have 1 family comp thus making other ppl need it for the other tasks you mentioned (thus you spent money but cannot play the game at any time you could a console). i know we are more talking about unlimited budget/use hypotheticals here, but its worth mentioning."

That's a good one. Although I have heard of people having problems with the TV set for the same reason (7th heaven is on, blah, blah).

You can change that to "as a parent..." I'll be hitting that wall soon. Oh well, I had a good run.


[Edited on November 7, 2005 at 11:44 AM. Reason : g]

11/7/2005 11:43:04 AM

actually i have that problem now heh. if i want surround sound and whatnot i have to play downstairs (im currently at home), which is constantly taken. in general though tv's are cheaper than seperate computers heh.

11/7/2005 12:19:21 PM

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" No one has a PC that can outperform the 360 right now."

Wrong

Nobody here thinks PC's are competition for consoles though, because the computers that do very handily outperform the xbox360 are dual core or athlon fx 57 systems with 2 gigs of ram, overlcocked dual graphics cards, and SATA raid arrays of 10000rpm drives that cost about 6 grand without monitor assembled yourself... but don't think there aren't computers that can outperform that 400 dollar console box. They're just really really expensive.



[Edited on November 7, 2005 at 12:43 PM. Reason : ]

11/7/2005 12:40:12 PM

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" Quote : " No one has a PC that can outperform the 360 right now." Wrong Nobody here thinks PC's are competition for consoles though, because the computers that do very handily outperform the xbox360 are dual core or athlon fx 57 systems with 2 gigs of ram, overlcocked dual graphics cards, and SATA raid arrays of 10000rpm drives that cost about 6 grand without monitor assembled yourself... but don't think there aren't computers that can outperform that 400 dollar console box. They're just really really expensive."

My point was that no one has one. As in, its not a feasible setup at this point and (essentially) no one has a PC up to those standards.

11/7/2005 4:52:36 PM

enough do to keep alienware in buisness, it's still silly to compare them to x-box and stuff, which was a point I made a page or so back.

[Edited on November 7, 2005 at 5:08 PM. Reason : ]

11/7/2005 5:08:14 PM

i see where he's coming from now. i went to walmart and the display unit was rather unimpressive versus the pics and vids ive seen. the ghost recon one looked nice though.

then again the original xbox had a lot of meh games at first but really got some sexy one as ppl realized its potential.

11/7/2005 5:32:56 PM

is there anywhere reputable that i could preorder one from and still get it on the initial ship date?

11/7/2005 8:45:33 PM

no

11/7/2005 8:51:00 PM

^^ the ncsu bookstore

11/8/2005 12:52:59 AM

Are the demos at BB and WalMart on HDTV? That would be a big difference.

11/8/2005 10:38:17 AM

i know the one at EB games is on hdtv and it still looks unimpressive.

i mean you have to consider that if you're comparing it to a computer, hdtv really won't make that big of a difference since computer resolutions have been better than hdtv for years

and even if it weren't on hdtv, none of my gripes are hdtv relevant. there were just far too few polygons in the game i saw for me to be impressed. hdtv has no bearing on polygon count.

[Edited on November 8, 2005 at 10:48 AM. Reason : s]

11/8/2005 10:47:35 AM

again after seeing the playable demos, he's right. i dont think that means much, but i do think the game choices for the demo units were poor (though again the ghost recon one looked nice).

11/8/2005 10:59:43 AM

the display at BB atleast at glenwood is in high definition on a 23" samsung lcd

11/8/2005 12:32:03 PM

So everyone is comparing it to the PC. What about the original x-box? It's starting to sound like the next generation isn't really leaps and bounds above existing stuff.

Remember when the same games were coming out for the NES/SNES & SMS/Genesis? There were huuuuge differences between the two versions of the same game. That created a big incentive to buy the next gen console. Sounds like that gap is decreasing sharply. If they offered the same game titles on the x-box as they will offer on the 360 I'd guess that a lot of people would be content to stick with the original x-box.

Now it looks as if all next generation consoles only offer slightly better graphics. There really haven't been any 'leaps and bounds' advancments in video games in a while - at least not like there were 10-12 years ago.

[Edited on November 9, 2005 at 9:20 AM. Reason : -]

11/9/2005 9:18:49 AM

diminishing returns.

also, blame software

until recently the bottleneck was hardware. however, we're right about at a point of inflection where the limiting factor is the inability of a programmer to make use of multiple cores and other powerful hardware

11/9/2005 10:50:40 AM

lazy programmers. i dunno though, the ps3 demos looked pretty damn nice. also the condemned videos i watched looked pretty good texture/model wise.

just gonna wait it out for now.

11/9/2005 11:25:01 AM

Any disapointing visuals are 100% the fault of software.

And CoD2 is a fucking terrible way to demo any platform (pc or console).

Not only does it bear the unmistakable 4 year old apperance of the Quake 3 engine, but its a fucking terrible game to boot.

The machines power wont be tested until we see something like the Unreal Engine 3 running on it.

11/9/2005 12:56:50 PM

Yea, you can pretty much count on the release games to underrepresent the power of the system. Also, this is a bit of a hurried launch.

11/10/2005 12:50:55 AM

that water balloon commercial kicks so much ass

11/10/2005 12:24:45 PM

Indeed it does Wood, that kind of exemplifies the feeling of playing online games... until the 12 year punks come online and start being retarded.

11/10/2005 1:28:06 PM

i havent seen it. what is this "water balloon commercial" you speak so highly of?

11/10/2005 1:34:37 PM

channel or show it came on would be appreciated.

11/10/2005 1:44:19 PM

It came on during a commercial break last night while watching Lost on ABC.

11/10/2005 4:08:43 PM

So sad that one of the games that would supposedly show off the power of the system in terms of graphics AND ability to handle complex physics, AI, and scripting without missing a fram was TES IV: Oblivion, which is being delayed till feb 2006...

[Edited on November 10, 2005 at 7:44 PM. Reason : ]

11/10/2005 7:43:54 PM

saw the water balloon commericial this morning

and it was super cool

but uh

where was the gameplay

[Edited on November 14, 2005 at 1:30 PM. Reason : i mean, if balloon fight is the game, then say so Ø]

11/14/2005 1:29:54 PM

LAUNCH LIST
• Amped 3 (2K Sports)
• Call of Duty 2 (Activision)
• Condemned: Criminal Origins (SEGA)
• FIFA 06: Road to FIFA World Cup (Electronic Arts)
• GUN (Activision)
• Kameo: Elements of Power (Microsoft Game Studios)
• Madden NFL 06 (Electronic Arts)
• NBA 2K6 (2K Sports)
• NBA Live 06 (Electronic Arts)
• NHL 2K6 (2K Sports)
• Need for Speed: Most Wanted (Electronic Arts)
• Perfect Dark Zero (Microsoft Game Studios)
• Peter Jackson's King Kong: The Official Game of the Movie(Ubisoft)
• Project Gotham Racing 3 (Microsoft Game Studios)
• Ridge Racer 6 (Namco Ltd.)
• Quake 4 (Activision, id software and Raven Software Corp.)
• Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 06(Electronic Arts)
• Tony Hawk's American Wasteland (Activision)

11/14/2005 2:16:01 PM

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"• Perfect Dark Zero"

Man, I watched a couple of videos for PD0 on IGN. The music was terrible. Other than that it looked pretty promising. Did I mention the music was terrible?

11/14/2005 2:47:44 PM

There is a new jump rope commercial now. I think it's just as cool as the water balloon one.

11/14/2005 4:17:39 PM

no need to advertise much, the intentional shortage is getting free advertising out of the media

11/14/2005 4:23:04 PM