I'm on the topic but you are too knuckleheaded to take anybody's word. I suggest you go to the library or look up this information yourself. All your "topic" explained was your buddy's situation and whether or not people agree.

Well Reginald.... I DISAGREE!

11/4/2005 8:10:45 PM

oh no, i'll leave your premises for good. i mean you will be here all night, right? i can assure you at 12 30 i will be busy doing somethign exponentially more fun than you.

[Edited on November 4, 2005 at 8:12 PM. Reason : i own u]

11/4/2005 8:11:12 PM

Nope I'm going to the bars because I'm 21 and a law abiding citizen, one who KNOWS the laws unliike you... dickhead

11/4/2005 8:12:27 PM

well people don't get 100000 posts over night...... I think he is also of age

[Edited on November 4, 2005 at 8:13 PM. Reason : q]

11/4/2005 8:12:34 PM

haha actually no, but you'll be asleep before i get back home


[Edited on November 4, 2005 at 8:23 PM. Reason : bc im nice i guess]

11/4/2005 8:13:58 PM

http://www.nclabor.com/wh/eaw.htm

Quote :

"The term "Employment-at-Will" simply means that unless there is a specific law to protect employees or there is an employment contract providing otherwise, then an employer can treat its employees as it sees fit (including the assignment of demeaning tasks) and the employer can discharge an employee at the will of the employer for any reason or no reason at all."

The 8th Amendment to the Constitution:

Quote :

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. "

The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition. Houghton Mifflin Company, 2002.

Quote :

"Punishment prohibited by the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution. Cruel and unusual punishment includes torture, deliberately degrading punishment, or punishment that is too severe for the crime committed. "

Nothing about being terminated for violating a direct order from your employer calls under the
definition of "cruel and unusual punishment"

[Edited on November 4, 2005 at 8:15 PM. Reason : ^ass]

11/4/2005 8:14:25 PM

mawle427 has nailed it. what else do you want? if you work for microsoft, you can't go out and talk shit about windows. leave the job and say what you want.

11/4/2005 8:14:47 PM

^^^^Yea well he sure as hell doesn't know the law and has to resort to assuming people are racist

[Edited on November 4, 2005 at 8:15 PM. Reason : a]

11/4/2005 8:14:56 PM

and what the fuck is the point of all that shit up there that is fucking up the width of the page?

would that be the internet equivalent of "i'm taking my ball and going home"???

11/4/2005 8:17:36 PM

nobody's trying to talk shit.

11/4/2005 8:18:28 PM

that's the equivalent of ending this fucking thread, since he got his answer about 15 different times now

11/4/2005 8:18:47 PM

well get rid of it... just because you are pissed that he isn't getting the point doesn't mean the thread needs to end... i mean how am i supposed to easily ridicule him for the next 20 minutes or so if i have to scroll ALL The way over to post a reply... that's just inefficient.

that and it fucked up all my quoting goodness up there

11/4/2005 8:20:37 PM

on second thought, fine....im taking a shower anyway

[Edited on November 4, 2005 at 8:23 PM. Reason : here you go sweetie ]

11/4/2005 8:22:23 PM

can we stop this shit and get back on the subject?

11/4/2005 8:22:37 PM

^i covered all of the answer you need up there. Now go out and have your newly enlightened fun!

[Edited on November 4, 2005 at 8:25 PM. Reason : dense]

11/4/2005 8:23:05 PM

excellent

11/4/2005 8:24:19 PM

this subject was over a long time ago though, but have fun kids, wmv have fun rocking out at the carmichael parking lot

11/4/2005 8:24:44 PM

Quote :

"is that a no?"

No, it's Latin for "it does not follow." Your comment preceding my post did not follow any sort of logical progression of the issue at hand. Just because many people have incriminating photos online does not mean it is a smart thing to do, or that their activities are any less illegal simply because "everyone is doing it." I'm afraid you're not going to get much sympathy for your friend's "plight" around here.

11/4/2005 8:36:20 PM

Quote :

"the only people worried about being out by 8, are those that are worried about being back by 12:30"

hehe, i like that

11/4/2005 8:50:40 PM

generic progression of this thread:

oh man, i hope he gets his friend caught saying this shit...

...hah puckit nailed that, guess i dont have to bother saying it.......
.......
...

oh man cruel and unusual punishmen BAHAHAHAHAHAH...

...

racism BAHAHAHAHAHA...... how is this still going....oh no here come the sources....


and the icing on the cake: YOU ARE A DORK BECAUSE YOU ARE POSTING A LOT ON THE WOLFWEB, IM COOLER THAN YOU AND AM GOING OUT....BAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHBAHA

[Edited on November 4, 2005 at 9:18 PM. Reason : cut down the laughing for mawle's and others' sake]

11/4/2005 9:17:17 PM

^word i got a shout out

11/4/2005 9:50:27 PM

This is why i don't live in the dorms, but anyway

I don't agree with them using this board like that. This is supposed to be a haven of sorts to express opinions and feelings and spend a while just enjoying doing nothing important. Everyone needs time to relax without fear of someone finding out what she/he does in their spare time. However, if you read the "rules" you'll see the mods tell you not to say stuff that could get you in trouble because [implied] they do work willingly with various authorities. As with any employment, speaking out against your boss can be considered a conflict of interest. It's not unusual for people to be terminated in such situations, but if the boss happens to be proven wrong by a court of law, they have to give the terminated employee the job back. (I think that's right. I worked with someone who went through that.)

When it comes to the alcohol violations, if you're underage you shouldn't be stupid enough to get your picture taken with a beer in your hand, or even a can/bottle in your hand regardless of what's in it. If you have underage people at your party, you shouldn't be stupid enough to take pictures with a beers in their hands, or even a can/bottle regardless of what's in it.

11/5/2005 7:19:17 AM

Quote :

"It's not unusual for people to be terminated in such situations, but if the boss happens to be proven wrong by a court of law, they have to give the terminated employee the job back"

again, not in North Carolina. Unless you have a contract to work that specifies a period of time that you are guaranteed employment, you can be fired at any time for any reason other than those that are considered discriminatory based upon sex, race, etc.

your boss can fire you because he doesn't like your tie if he so desires.

11/7/2005 5:19:43 AM

I'm not sure if this person is an alias or is legit. Doing a good job of trolling if an alias ... if legit:

-With the first post, YOU set the precedent for other people who post to this thread.
-You lack the so-called "facts" you ask others for ... you make vague references to policies, laws, and the US Constitution (wtf?), but no links are provided, no quotes given, etc. etc.
-You do not respond to serious/legit posts (mawle427), and are lured into a childish name-calling war.
-It is not the job of other posters to find "facts" to backup their opinions. It is optional that they provide facts. You can provide facts of your own, and hopefully prove them wrong ... it's called intellectual debate.
-I am not trying to be insulting, but it looks like you took little time to post something thoughtful on a serious matter.

ANYWAYS, provide us some links to the employment contract they signed when becoming an RA, precedent cases at NCSU, university housing, university policy, university student conduct, NC law, NC precendent cases, etc. etc. Then I'll be glad to discuss the matter with you.

11/7/2005 6:59:08 AM

Quote :

"again, not in North Carolina. Unless you have a contract to work that specifies a period of time that you are guaranteed employment, you can be fired at any time for any reason other than those that are considered discriminatory based upon sex, race, etc. your boss can fire you because he doesn't like your tie if he so desires."

That's a naive way of looking at it. It doesn't work like that in practice. It's not that the employer is going to be arrested for it, but he will get sued and his company will get smeared. Although the company may likely win the suit, the case will be heard and the company will lose some of its good name.

Quote :

"When it comes to the alcohol violations, if you're underage you shouldn't be stupid enough to get your picture taken with a beer in your hand, or even a can/bottle in your hand regardless of what's in it. If you have underage people at your party, you shouldn't be stupid enough to take pictures with a beers in their hands, or even a can/bottle regardless of what's in it."

Thats the bottom line. Thanks to that RA and the clowns at student conduct, these students have learned the importance of not getting caught. It's not about whether or not they drank underage, we all have. It's about another notch in Bostian's and Cousins' belt.

[Edited on November 7, 2005 at 8:36 AM. Reason : ?]

11/7/2005 8:32:16 AM

11/7/2005 10:13:17 AM

hmm... I wonder who it was?

juiceyman:

Quote :

"IT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED...... THE RA IS Amanda Bostian DESTROY Amanda Bostian Amanda Bostian IS THE RA NAZI!!!!! this was confirmed through my source... one of the peeps busted. this is her aim screen name, do with it as you please, MUHAHAHAHAHAH ----------- again I repeat, her aim screen name is: ----------- [Edited on October 28, 2005 at 1:49 PM. Reason : muhahaha] [Edited on October 28, 2005 at 1:52 PM. Reason : this bitch must die"

followed by:

Quote :

"yes the confirmation is credible, I am actually an RA myself so all this is flowing through the grape vine over here to west campus...."

11/7/2005 10:52:39 AM

Quote :

"That's a naive way of looking at it. It doesn't work like that in practice. It's not that the employer is going to be arrested for it, but he will get sued and his company will get smeared. Although the company may likely win the suit, the case will be heard and the company will lose some of its good name."

employer might get smeared...might not. maybe if it was over a tie, but over insubordination...nope, they'll just demonize the person who got fired. most people dont have the money to drag someones name through the mud for the hell of it either (assuming it is likely the employer will win).

11/7/2005 11:05:59 AM

Quote :

"FIRING someone for expressing their opinion is cruel and unusual punnisment and goes against UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION."

wow...the sheer level of ignorance expressed in this oppinion is just unbelievable.

Quote :

" Amendment VIII Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. "

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment08/05.html#1

first, it only covers criminal cases. second, the only punishments deemed cruel and unusual so far have been:

Quote :

"but it is safe to affirm that punishments of torture [such as drawing and quartering, embowelling alive, beheading, public dissecting, and burning alive], and all others in the same line of unnecessary cruelty, are forbidden by that amendment to the Constitution.''"

AND

Quote :

"Divestiture of the citizenship of a natural born citizen"

which is basically banishment from the US and revocation of citizenship.

Quote :

"Now he's on the verge of losing his job, his RA position, because he expressed his freedom of speech and it went against University Housing policies of employment"

NC is a state where employment is completely voulentary. If you agree to a company policy when you're hired then subsequently break said policy, the company can terminate you without consequence. As someone said earlier, only way your buddy could get anything out of being fired is if he could prove that he was fired based on race, religion, age, gender, etc. I'm doubting even a sensationalist such as yourself could drum up a story about that...then again, you apparently don't understand the constitution so it wouldn't surprise me.

once again I'm baffled at the raw ignorance expressed by many students over these issues. So far nearly everyone who's tried to stick up for the people caught drinking, or RA's who are getting in trouble or tried to bring Paul Cousins down for doing his job have not only been wrong, but they've expressed complete and total ignorance about how the system works. Are NCSU students really this sheltered? Do they really feel entitled to do whatever you want and damn the law, rules and consequences? It just baffles my mind that a group of people who are intelligent enough to get into college can be this ignorant of the real world. You don't post incrimnating pictures on the web, you don't have a dick waving contest with someone who has more power than you, and you don't badmouth the organization that you work for. These all seem to be common sense to me...

11/7/2005 11:39:19 AM

sometimes.... i almost wish people would stop calling each other ignorant on TWW.

It has no meaning anymore, it doesn't help your argument.

11/7/2005 11:45:06 AM

I haven't read the thread so this may have been pointed out

but in NC you can fire anyone for any reason as long as it is not race, religion, age, or disability.

11/7/2005 12:33:09 PM