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"Saving another persons life means nothing to me."

You said it, fucktard.

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"My life is of supreme importance"

THAT is why you are selfish.

If your life is put in danger then its acceptable to decline helping someone, but in this case the guys friends were crowded around him, they coulda jumped in and pulled him off, I seriously doubt he'd inflict mortal wounds on his friends dude.

All I'm saying is its nice to know that there are people in the world that will stick their neck out for somebody else in times of need, sadly you are not one of them

11/10/2005 11:30:38 AM

So basically what you're saying is that you are a shitty human being. There. Thread is over.

11/10/2005 11:31:23 AM

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"Do I get the $1000 dollar cash prize? I don't think so."

Hopefully one day you'll realize money isnt everything. And helping people is intrinsically rewarding, and to me that is a good enough reward in itself. You are a heartless, selfish, and irrational person. You need to get laid bro.

^ I second that

[Edited on November 10, 2005 at 11:35 AM. Reason : .]

11/10/2005 11:33:45 AM

here i am gonna say this again seeing everyone here says by their posts that they would have stepped in

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"here we go with people coming in saying what they would have done if they were there give me a break half you mofo's prolly would have gotten your ass kicked right along with this guy, fucking pussies"

11/10/2005 11:35:21 AM

^At least a few people are willing to help. You nor them know all the aspects of the situation so stop assuming

11/10/2005 11:43:34 AM

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"You said it, fucktard."

Yeah I said it, and I'll say it again: Saving another persons life means nothing to me.

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"THAT is why you are selfish. If your life is put in danger then its acceptable to decline helping someone, but in this case the guys friends were crowded around him, they coulda jumped in and pulled him off, I seriously doubt he'd inflict mortal wounds on his friends dude. All I'm saying is its nice to know that there are people in the world that will stick their neck out for somebody else in times of need, sadly you are not one of them"

They could've jumped in but didn't. Obviously they share my line of reasoning of if its not your problem then you don't get involved. I will stick my neck out for noone as I owe nothing to noone.

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"So basically what you're saying is that you are a shitty human being. There. Thread is over."

How so? Because I'm not willing to sacrifice possible bodily harm and lost time and wages to step in when it doesn't even concern me? If more people had that attitude the world would be a much better place.

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"Hopefully one day you'll realize money isnt everything. And helping people is intrinsically rewarding, and to me that is a good enough reward in itself. You are a heartless, selfish, and irrational person. You need to get laid bro."

Yeah because I can really take that good feeling and pay off my credit card or buy some RAM for my laptop. "Hey Crucial, yeah I'll take that 1 gig stick of RAM right there. Heres some good feelings to pay for it". Yeah I'll get far with that. And I love how you tack "You need to get laid" on there as if that means something to me. When I become wealthy, I'll have my share of whores, so getting laid will not be a problem. In due time friend.

11/10/2005 11:44:13 AM

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"^At least a few people are willing to help. You nor them know all the aspects of the situation so stop assuming "

everyone in this thread as assumed something, none of you including you know the whole situation either so STFU and drop it, or deal with the fact that people are assuming shit

people come in here with this bullshit hindsight 20/20 crap, oooo i would have done something, bullshit you dont know what you would have done and you prolly wouldnt have done anything

but i am gonna be tommy toughass and say i would have done something, cause i would have known when the kid had enough and was knocked out and would have stepped in

BULL FUCKING SHIT

/THREAD

11/10/2005 11:50:11 AM

^^Okay I get it. Your whole life revolves around money. The only way you can get people to like you is money. Money is how you measure success, am I right?

Money is good and all, but once we become obsessed with it and let it take over our lives, it robs us of the richer things in life.

You don't get it, and probably never will, so I am done arguing with you. Hope everything works out for you bud

[Edited on November 10, 2005 at 11:54 AM. Reason : .]

11/10/2005 11:53:59 AM

^^chill out man, you basically regergitated what I said. I was speaking for myself as well... You're right I don't know what I would have done because I wasn't there. I'm saying that if I felt I had a good chance of breaking it up without ending up like the dude on the ground I woulda taken it.

11/10/2005 11:57:25 AM

the post was directed completely to you, it was everyone else in here that is ragging this guy for saying he wouldnt have done anything unless there was something in it for him... well most likely all the people that have bashed him for it wouldnt have done a damn thing either


so as far as i am concerned no one has the right to questions someone elses position on this because they wouldnt have done shit either, even if for the right or wrong reasons

11/10/2005 12:01:08 PM

fuckers who kick peoples face in when they're down deserve attempted murder... that's fucked up shit (if you're gonna fight, fight like a man)

11/10/2005 12:01:19 PM

^^I understand now, and concur

11/10/2005 12:03:15 PM

it just annoys me when people take this holier then thou standpoint and they wouldnt have done anything different

hypocrites

drives me nuts

11/10/2005 12:04:35 PM

I would hope they'd man up and put words into action if possible, but there are people who are all bark no bite, and sadly I know a few

11/10/2005 12:10:42 PM

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"I will stick my neck out for noone as I owe nothing to noone."

What about your family? So you owe nothing to your teachers? The guy in mexico who busts his ass making cheap shit for you to buy at the store?

Selfish man, selfish.

11/10/2005 12:24:46 PM

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"i see your point, i wouldnt want to get fucked up either but if it meant saving someones life i could handle a punch to the face or a broken bone "

people get shot nowadays

11/10/2005 1:01:17 PM

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"What about your family?"

No. They bore and as such it was their responsibility to care for me. Plus my parents are nearing 50. They have already lived their lives, mine has just begun. It would be selfish of them to ask me to put my life on the line for them.

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"So you owe nothing to your teachers?"

I PAY to go to school here. My professors get what I owe them everytime they get their paychecks.

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"The guy in mexico who busts his ass making cheap shit for you to buy at the store?"

No. That's his job and if he doesn't like it he can get another one. I owe nothing to him as he has done nothing for me.

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"Selfish man, selfish."

Selfish is such a harsh word. I prefer to look at it as Self Preservation.

11/10/2005 1:05:18 PM

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"people get shot nowadays"

ding ding ding ding

11/10/2005 1:06:16 PM

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"How so? Because I'm not willing to sacrifice possible bodily harm and lost time and wages to step in when it doesn't even concern me? If more people had that attitude the world would be a much better place. "

Jesus Christ I can't believe I am lowering myself to reply to you.

Every single one of your arguments is valid ONLY if the guy that just did the attacking IS NOT your friend.

As you clearly stated you wouldn't do anything even if he was your boy, you look like the biggest dipshit, and your arguments and logic stand on completely misrepresented and completely unrealistic situations.

For starters, HE IS YOUR BOY. He got a little pissed off over some stupid shit. You could have helped stop things at a simple assault charge. He stays your boy, ya'll have beers after he finishes his community service and laugh about how he knocked someone the fuck out in one punch. You may or may not have to go to court but you do have a point of lost time. But as you are bitch ass freshmen, you are missing out on classes, not work, and you most likely skip class and waste the time playing with FreeBSD, talking out of your ass here, or beating off to online porn.

Instead, you don't do shit, and you lose your buddy and some poor guy dies because of it.

So A vs B, economically its nearly a draw with the argument as you have made.

But "net loss" measured with noble metrics would be with B and not A....but since you have already proved you can't be held to this standard anyway, I suppose it is a moot point.

Your assumptions and fears of bodily harm are very nearly irrelevant. It is clear that you haven't been anywhere near a fight save for the frag battles you wage in your room on a nightly basis.

Go outside.

[Edited on November 10, 2005 at 2:07 PM. Reason : x]

11/10/2005 2:05:25 PM

What if it was your child?

11/10/2005 2:17:32 PM

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"You are a heartless, selfish, and irrational person"

This is not a commentary on the thread topic, but usually people being overly rational would be the ones considered heartless and selfish as opposed to compassionate and emotional.

Protostar's concern for self presevation seems somewhat valid in there is honest reason to believe you will be harmed, but would you Proto call an ambulance or take any other helpful actions that would not be risking harm?

11/10/2005 2:51:39 PM

I've said this before, If you could ascertain a real threat from helping someone, such as severe bodily harm, then I don't look down on him for not helping out.

I was arguing about the fact that he seems to put himself on a shrine, and is above helping others in any given situation, not just unsafe situations. Thus being selfish, heartless, etc.

I'm done arguing about this, I have my opinions about the situation, and so does he.

11/10/2005 3:37:59 PM

I'm no hero, but if I saw someone's head getting stomped on I'm pretty sure I'd at least call 911 or whatever on my cell phone

that or intervene or get the hell out of there

what really gets me is that someone did push Davis away, but then he came back

11/10/2005 3:44:35 PM

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"Real Name : Jamel Willis AIM Name : nVidia779 Age : 18 Sex : M Hometown : Raleigh Class : Freshman"

/thread

[Edited on November 10, 2005 at 4:17 PM. Reason : you have much to learn, young grasshopper]

11/10/2005 4:17:05 PM

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"Jesus Christ I can't believe I am lowering myself to reply to you."

Again, why do you throw out these insults? They do not further your argument in any way. I have not insulted you, so why the attacks?

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"Every single one of your arguments is valid ONLY if the guy that just did the attacking IS NOT your friend."

Noooo, they are valid regardless if he was my friend or not. They apply to all situations where I am concerned not just this one.

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"As you clearly stated you wouldn't do anything even if he was your boy, you look like the biggest dipshit, and your arguments and logic stand on completely misrepresented and completely unrealistic situations."

How does it make me look like a "dipshit"? I have stated that if it were reversed my friends wouldn't do anything either because it is not of their concern and none of their business. That same if it involved one of my friends. He would go to jail for being a dumbass (which is what you deserve for attacking someone for talking about your girl, it's not that important) and I would go on with my life. And my arguments stand regardless of the situation. If I stand nothing to gain, I see no reason for getting involved.

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"For starters, HE IS YOUR BOY. He got a little pissed off over some stupid shit. You could have helped stop things at a simple assault charge. He stays your boy, ya'll have beers after he finishes his community service and laugh about how he knocked someone the fuck out in one punch."

I don't care if its my mother, I'm not getting involved. There is no reason for me to get involved with his stupidity. You act like a dumbass, you suffer the consequences. I, for one, am not going to get involved to help alliveate those consequences which would result in lost time and possible bodily injury. Just not going to happen.

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"You may or may not have to go to court but you do have a point of lost time. But as you are bitch ass freshmen, you are missing out on classes, not work, and you most likely skip class and waste the time playing with FreeBSD, talking out of your ass here, or beating off to online porn."

Again with the attacks and the insults that add nothing to your weak argument. Also a misconception. Just because I'm a freshman doesn't mean I don't work. Now I may not have as much time to work as the upperclassmen do, but I do my share. And how is "playing" with FreeBSD a waste of time? I've often noticed that people who make those types of remarks are often jealous because they don't understand the subject at hand. Your envy of my intelligence about the inner workings of FreeBSD is duly noted and most appreciated.

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"Instead, you don't do shit, and you lose your buddy and some poor guy dies because of it."

And that matters to me why? How does that inhibit my progress in the long run? What do I lose by not doing anything? Nothing. I've already explained what I could lose if I became involved so I'm not going to repeat them here.

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"Your assumptions and fears of bodily harm are very nearly irrelevant. It is clear that you haven't been anywhere near a fight save for the frag battles you wage in your room on a nightly basis."

I been in a few fights when I was younger, and they were not fun at all. I fail to see what some people get out of fighting. It's an awful waste of energy that could be put to better use, such as working and making more money. I will fight if forced to defend my life and/or property but I try to avoid physical confrontation whenever possible.

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"Go outside."

I do, everytime I go to class or work.

[Edited on November 10, 2005 at 4:31 PM. Reason : ..]

[Edited on November 10, 2005 at 4:32 PM. Reason : ,.]

11/10/2005 4:27:42 PM

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" but would you Proto call an ambulance or take any other helpful actions that would not be risking harm?"

Of course I would. I can see no possible harm that could come from that.

11/10/2005 4:34:45 PM

I am not reading that shit man.

You win.

11/10/2005 4:34:58 PM

never mind.

[Edited on November 10, 2005 at 4:40 PM. Reason : no point in asking]

[Edited on November 10, 2005 at 4:41 PM. Reason : I see]

11/10/2005 4:39:27 PM

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""What if it was your child?""

I'm not having any children so that point is moot.

11/10/2005 4:40:31 PM

I'm new to the message board thing but let me see if I got this right.

definition of trolling: saying ridiculous things on the internet just to get a reaction

am I close?

11/10/2005 4:41:45 PM

thats it

11/10/2005 4:45:18 PM

^^^That's a relief, but not a surprise

^^I sure hope he was, because if I ever met anybody irl like that he'd better hope somebody would help him out

11/10/2005 5:02:46 PM

Hmmm. Why does everyone think I'm trolling? I offered my opinions on the subject and just because they don't line up with yours, then they can't be true? That makes no sense to me.

11/10/2005 5:17:08 PM

Yea it is pretty obvious this is a well crafted troll, kid might even be an alias for all we know.

Which is why I didnt read his most recent reply.

11/10/2005 5:17:15 PM

Interesting attitude Proto....Let's say hypothetically speaking you witness some type of assault and it's clearly obvious that there are no weapons involved, because you know both parties involved. Because YOU didn't step in, person B dies due to injuries sustained in the assault by person A. Now, person B's friend, relative, whoever finds out that you neglected an opportunity to save that person's life and because of your gross disregard of human life becomes a tad bit irrational. If that person were to find you and pummel you in a public place, again to a point of falling into a coma, would you expect no one to help you out? Would you in fact refuse help from other people since there's no reason for other people to get into your business (and it is your business now since you caused this action to be taken on you...)?

11/10/2005 5:20:18 PM

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"Interesting attitude Proto....Let's say hypothetically speaking you witness some type of assault and it's clearly obvious that there are no weapons involved, because you know both parties involved. Because YOU didn't step in, person B dies due to injuries sustained in the assault by person A. Now, person B's friend, relative, whoever finds out that you neglected an opportunity to save that person's life and because of your gross disregard of human life becomes a tad bit irrational. If that person were to find you and pummel you in a public place, again to a point of falling into a coma, would you expect no one to help you out? Would you in fact refuse help from other people since there's no reason for other people to get into your business (and it is your business now since you caused this action to be taken on you...)?"

First off, don't try and shift the blame to me. Just because I didn't become involved doesn't mean I should have action taken against me. I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand I would want their help (but would understand if noone helped me considering I wouldn't help noone else). On the other hand I wouldn't for the following reasons. For one reason, like you mentionend in your post, its none of their business. The second reason I wouldn't want their help is pride. I wouldn't be able to live with myself knowing that someone else had saved my life. I would rather die. Now some of you may view that as trolling, but honestly thats the way I feel. I think pride would outweigh my desire for help.

[Edited on November 10, 2005 at 6:06 PM. Reason : ..]

11/10/2005 6:05:42 PM

There's no reason not to shift the blame over to you though. In the hypothetical case above, there was a death as a result of 3 paths. 2 paths of action, 1 path of inaction. All parties are DIRECTLY responsible for the death of person B.

If one were to follow your lines of reasoning though, you are a liability to everyone around you. If you were at a house party (not your house of course) visiting a friend, and lets say for kicks it's a holiday party of sorts so there are candles around. If you notice someone some one bump a candle over onto a carpeted floor, your stance would leave me to believe that you would let the candle stay there and potentially let your friend's house burn down. What leads me to this conclusion is that A) this isn't your house nor your candle so you have no finanicial/emotional attachment to the house or candle and B) you could get burned by the candle perhaps seriously if maybe you had spilled alcohol on yourself and C) whether your friends house burns down isn't really your business. Especially if this had occured on your way out of the party so you wouldn't be around to suffer the potential injuries that would come about due to a large fire.

11/10/2005 6:18:11 PM

I'm guessing this guy doesn't have many friends.

11/10/2005 6:47:53 PM

I call troll...(but I bit hook, line, and sinker anyway)


THERE IS NO WAY ONE PERSON CAN BE SUCH A PIECE OF SHIT
(Protostar)

I would have stepped in without a doubt. I've done it before and I'll do it again. Once someone becomes defenseless, someone has to step in.

I honestly hope that one day [user]prototype[/user], that you are the ground unconscious, gurgling your own blood and someone with your theory walks by and considers their money more important than your piece of shit life

I am stunned that these people let this happen (even though I know the theories of diffusion)

I feel so bad for this family ---where the hell was the girl they were fighting over?

My prayers are with them...and I hope they stick this Davis kid with 1st degree murder since he turned around and came back---

(one of the most disturbing things I've ever heard).

11/10/2005 7:10:22 PM

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"There's no reason not to shift the blame over to you though. In the hypothetical case above, there was a death as a result of 3 paths. 2 paths of action, 1 path of inaction. All parties are DIRECTLY responsible for the death of person B."

Not really. The only one responsible was the one who did the killing, noone else.

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"If one were to follow your lines of reasoning though, you are a liability to everyone around you. If you were at a house party (not your house of course) visiting a friend, and lets say for kicks it's a holiday party of sorts so there are candles around. If you notice someone some one bump a candle over onto a carpeted floor, your stance would leave me to believe that you would let the candle stay there and potentially let your friend's house burn down. What leads me to this conclusion is that A) this isn't your house nor your candle so you have no finanicial/emotional attachment to the house or candle and B) you could get burned by the candle perhaps seriously if maybe you had spilled alcohol on yourself and C) whether your friends house burns down isn't really your business. Especially if this had occured on your way out of the party so you wouldn't be around to suffer the potential injuries that would come about due to a large fire."

Yeah there is a reason not to shift the blame over to me. I had nothing to do with it and as such shouldn't suffer any consequences. Now for your example, I could easily walk out without saying anything. It would be my friends problem, not mine. Who the hell has candles anyway? We have electricity, there is no point in having candles. If you have candles at a party (especially one with alcohol) thats just asking for a fire. Most likely what I would do is point out to someone that the candle had fallen and then leave. I would consider that my good deed for the day, and whatever happened after that would be my friends problem not mine.

11/10/2005 8:42:30 PM

AApril, I don't usually do this but this needs to be said. You are a sadistic bitch. I understand disagreeing with my point of view but to outright wish harm on me because of it, is sadistic. I've had this argument many times before with others and most have disagreed with me but NEVER has anyone ever wished harm upon me because of it. What a wonderful person you are. Really.

11/10/2005 8:47:01 PM

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"My prayers are with them...and I hope they stick this Davis kid with 1st degree murder since he turned around and came back--- (one of the most disturbing things I've ever heard)."

I agree. It reminds me of that american history x shit. Fucking disturbing.

11/10/2005 9:40:22 PM

yea april shut the fuck up

11/10/2005 9:56:11 PM

you need to work on your reading comprehension as well.
I NEVER WISHED HARM ON YOU

I SAID: I hope that if this unfortunate situation where to ever happen to you that no one helps you.

I didn't wish for it to actually occur...just the irony of someone believing what you do and having someone pass them by when they need them the most amuses me...

Don't think that I wished any harm on you. I'm a person with COMPASSION, something you seriously lack.

11/11/2005 12:04:55 AM

WHAT KIND OF FRIENDS DOES HE HAVE


WATCHING THIER FRIEND BEATIN UP TO DEATH


FUCKIN CRACKERS

11/11/2005 12:10:07 AM

^agree

11/11/2005 12:11:52 AM

..

[Edited on November 11, 2005 at 12:18 AM. Reason : ..]

11/11/2005 12:17:52 AM

i personally dont expect any bystander to stand up for me in this country

but as far as my friends are concerned if they arent willing to stand up for me in a fight, then i dont need these friends.

his friends didnt stand up for him, SHAME ON HIS FRIENDS

enough said

11/11/2005 12:21:00 AM

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"you need to work on your reading comprehension as well. I NEVER WISHED HARM ON YOU I SAID: I hope that if this unfortunate situation where to ever happen to you that no one helps you. I didn't wish for it to actually occur...just the irony of someone believing what you do and having someone pass them by when they need them the most amuses me... Don't think that I wished any harm on you. I'm a person with COMPASSION, something you seriously lack."

Definition of hope from dictionary.com:

To wish for something with expectation of its fulfillment.

Note the second word in the definition. Here's what you said:

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"I honestly hope that one day [user]prototype[/user], that you are the ground unconscious, gurgling your own blood and someone with your theory walks by and considers their money more important than your piece of shit life"

The sadistic bitch remark still stands. Hope and wish mean the same thing. You can try and spin your way out of it but the quotes don't lie. Have a nice day.

[Edited on November 11, 2005 at 12:22 AM. Reason : ..]

11/11/2005 12:21:30 AM

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" "I honestly hope that one day [user]prototype[/user], that you are the ground unconscious, gurgling your own blood and someone with your theory walks by and considers their money more important than your piece of shit life" "

I however lack compassion for people like you, and do indeed hope something like this happens.

[Edited on November 11, 2005 at 12:58 AM. Reason : .]

11/11/2005 12:56:09 AM