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12/21/2005 5:10:25 PM

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"If you scored in the 130s the first time around and then turned in a 175 the next time, I really do think that an Admissions Board would seriously consider your application, even with the 130. "

I'm sure the school would consider your app but there is no way a person is jumping from a score in the 130s to a 175.

12/21/2005 6:02:00 PM

My friend jumped 15 points, but he had bad testing conditions the first time. He has the highest increase that i have heard of.

His second score would have gotten him a nice scholarship, but they averaged it and he got nothing.

12/22/2005 11:00:09 AM

^ yeah same here. had to drive to goldsboro to take it because i signed up at the last minute. also didn't study for it at all. i'm hoping when i take it again in februray things will be different what with the prep course i'm taking and all to get ready. haha although i doubt i'll go up 15 points, thats great for your friend though.

12/22/2005 11:11:18 AM

15 points is a far cry from a 26+ point jump. Even without studying (or having ever seen the exam) a person who has the potential to score a 175 is not going to score in the 130s.

12/22/2005 6:16:34 PM

It really is ridiculous how much the LSAT is weighted. If you goto the LSAC page that I told him to go to you notice how one sided it is. I'm just looking at a Tier III/IV even like Pacific (near my parents place -- didn't apply there) and the stats regardless of GPA

LSAT > 154 -> 899 admitted/1068 applied = 84.1% rate of admission
LSAT =< 154 -> 114 admitted/2361 applied = .04% rate of admission

Now looking at an upper level school like Boston College (where I did apply)

LSAT => 160 -> 1209 admitted/4148 applied = 29.1%
LSAT < 160 -> 96 admitted/3651 applied = .002%

[Edited on January 10, 2006 at 11:47 AM. Reason : f]

1/10/2006 11:43:50 AM

yo, im a 1L at UNC, if you have any questions PM me...

1/10/2006 11:52:44 AM

Do you think a 165 average LSAT would get me scholarships at a lot of places?

1/10/2006 11:54:32 AM

depends on your gpa.... i had a 164 and a 3.6 and I had scholarship offers from wake and tennessee and a couple full rides from smaller schools

1/10/2006 12:02:55 PM

It will get you a scholarship at Howard if you can handle an HBCU

I'm a 2L there now

[Edited on January 11, 2006 at 4:48 PM. Reason : w]

1/11/2006 4:47:43 PM

Campbell had a visting professor from Howard last year. Heard she was a nightmare and would keep standing up different people and and asking the same questions and getting the same responses. In the end, she would sit them down and move on and not comment/correct/acknowledge anything that was said.

She taught out of one particular hornbook that the students figured out half way through the first year. When she realized this, she got mad and banned the book from class.

Hope you don't have to take her class.

1/13/2006 10:52:06 PM

Now I'm just waiting for decisions. I applied to UNC (again and I probably won't attend even if I get in), Rutgers-Newark, Cardozo, Seton Hall (backup), Univ. of San Francisco, and Pacific (backup)...

I'll let you guys know when I hear.. I think a lot will depend on what kind of scholly's I get.. I may settle for a lower tier school if I get a 1/2-full ride..

[Edited on January 20, 2006 at 8:29 AM. Reason : f]

1/20/2006 8:29:07 AM

I currently work at the patent office and am getting my ass kicked. your eng skills count for diddly for patent savvy beyond the fact that they're evidence that you've gotten your ass kicked once and you're nerdy enough to sweat the details of something. I took a kaplan course last year and did as well as 154 on practice tests then got a 144 on the october 05 exam. I'm taking it again in february. I have a 3.51 gpa in mech eng.... I dunno where to look.... everywhere but nccu looks totally out of my league right now...

seriously doubting the pto is gonna keep me past the initial year too.... totally bummed right now...

1/22/2006 1:59:03 AM

Well, I finished up my applications, and I got into college of charleston... hoping for some money there... and I have an interview at Campbell in Feb. Any comments on how those usually go? Also, I'm crossing my fingers and hoping I get into UNC. Got a pretty good LSAT, but a horrible GPA in ME.... and I know UNC is really big on the GPA

1/22/2006 8:47:14 AM

the interviews at cu are no big deal... more like get to know you sessions for the most part... although i have heard that it depends on which prof you get to interview you... (really only one that i've heard that gives people a hard time)...

1/22/2006 3:24:38 PM

You would think...out of all the professional schools these would require an interview. I mean its fucking law school.

1/22/2006 7:53:22 PM

Who are you interviewing with? The interviews are very relaxed sessions. A student will show you around first and take you to the professor for the interview. Anyone can have a good gpa or lsat, but sometimes you need to make sure the person has a personality.

1/23/2006 6:41:39 PM

i've got Wallace... and i've got a good lsat, but not a good GPA but i explained it in my personal statement... so hopefully there won't be a problem with that.

1/23/2006 10:03:06 PM

anyone hear anything from anybody?

2/1/2006 7:56:09 PM

No and I am obsessively waiting for the postman everyday. If I am not there when he usually comes, that's all I think about until I get home and check the mail.


I am probably in for a big let down

2/1/2006 9:23:32 PM

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"I currently work at the patent office and am getting my ass kicked. your eng skills count for diddly for patent savvy beyond the fact that they're evidence that you've gotten your ass kicked once and you're nerdy enough to sweat the details of something. I took a kaplan course last year and did as well as 154 on practice tests then got a 144 on the october 05 exam. I'm taking it again in february. I have a 3.51 gpa in mech eng.... I dunno where to look.... everywhere but nccu looks totally out of my league right now... seriously doubting the pto is gonna keep me past the initial year too.... totally bummed right now... "

Definitely retake it and study your ass off for it. Go to the DH Hill and get some of those practice books, and take practice test after practice, just keep doing them until you've done them all. Then take a day's break or something, and then take the test.

I had a 166 and 3.37 and got into UGA Law with a 75% scholarship - get that LSAT score up and you should be good. your GPA is good.

2/2/2006 6:26:39 PM

a 3.5 in Mech E with anything above a 155 should get you into a LOT of schools. Campbell will probably even be within reach with the PBAP program with what you have now. Just make sure to do significantly better IF you retake the LSAT. Law Schools generally don't like it when you only go up about 5 points.

2/3/2006 9:06:19 AM

155 should get you into campbell out right---

160's they start dolling out scholarships.

2/3/2006 7:05:08 PM

All my apps are 'completed' now (in other words all the schools have ALL the documents and are all being reviewed).. just waiting on returns..

2/6/2006 2:41:12 PM

^^ how about 160s with a sub 3.0 GPA

2/6/2006 11:18:25 PM

Apply to UGA!

2/7/2006 1:28:15 AM

sadly i don't have a shot at UGA. my LSAT's were better the second time around but i just don't see it happening.

although i wouldn't mind going there, i'm looking at several other schools. Michigan State, Dayton, and Tulsa, among others.

2/7/2006 2:14:28 AM

^^^ they might offer you the admission with the summer program req -- can't remember exactly what it is but that is what I was offered before I graduated (my GPA was still a shade under 3.0 at that point since I made a 4.25 my last semester in school) when I first applied. Obviously I didn't go there because it made no sense for someone who either wants to work in Manhattan or the Bay Area...

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"a 3.5 in Mech E with anything above a 155 should get you into a LOT of schools."

Since they redid the admissions index around 2000 this might not be the case. In the past schools weighted GPA like 40+%. Now most are in the 15-20% range (UNC still weights GPA over 30% IIRC) so genious fuckups in college who have the ability to standardize test well are at a decided advantage. Someone like me who had a shade over 2.0 midway through college who straightened up and tested well on the LSAT is, unfairly in my opinion, going to get more offers from better schools then someone who consistently made 3.5-3.7 with a bit lower LSAT.

It's just the way it works when Law Schools are more worried about Tier ranking then what the actual students will contribute. HOWEVER, I have changed 100% since the time my grades blew so I'll add a lot wherever I'm accepted to!

[Edited on February 9, 2006 at 9:27 AM. Reason : f]

2/9/2006 9:23:36 AM

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"genious"

Is that irony?

2/9/2006 9:56:36 AM

PBAP kids at Campbell have a 3 week advantage on their classmates. A lot of PBAPer's are in the top 1/3

2/9/2006 12:03:07 PM

^^ more like apathy..

^ ah yea.. couldn't remember exactly what it was and had no desire to look it up

2/9/2006 12:26:47 PM

so i heard a negative ghostrider from UGA. kinda bummed, but i figure it's because i'm not from GA. crossing my fingers to hear a yes from campbell... soon... and now i'm having reservations about charleston. i hear it's going to be impossible to get a job coming from there and that students are having a tough time getting summer associate positions? any truth to this?

2/13/2006 1:27:39 PM

apps in to NCCU, Campbell, Charlotte School of Law and Charleston School of law. I'm sputtering on UNC's personal statement reqs... stalling me for other things b/c I put UNC above the rest of the other schools I want to apply to so I don't want to put it off, but at the same time, my "crummy" personal statement that will work for some schools probably isn't enough for unc. If I could work on this shit away from my house it'd be ok because then I wouldn't be as distracted, but the apps require a plugin I can't install at work... I dunno, I'm just nervous and treading water. I think I kicked ass on the feb 06 lsat, but that still likely only means like a 157 at best, more likely a 151 (+-2pts). If I get a 148 or lower, I think I may rethink the law school thing altogether... I really don't need to launch myself into a career where I'd be going in knowing that I'm not competitive....

2/14/2006 12:49:22 AM

Just some friendly advice. I'd get that app to UNC done as quickly as possible. It's a very competitive school, which weights GPA more then about any I've seen for their index (I've read up to 30% where most are around 18%) so that may help you with a mid to high 150's LSAT.. Everything is rolling admission, so they won't tell you it will be any different admission rate but MOST people apply Jan-Feb so it'll be hard.. on top of that it can take over a month to go 'complete' at some of the more competitive admission schools..

** Also, one thing I've learned speaking to people who have graduated law school, if you are willing to put in the work/extracurriculars (like Law Review if you are in the Top 15-20%) you can get a good job no matter what school you go to. I know a Tier IV graduate in PA that was in the Top 15% of his class and got a great job in a mid-large size firm in Philly making upwards of $95,000 entry. Good jobs aren't ONLY for Ivy League kids but you have to work VERY HARD if you want one going to a lower school. I'm also quite skeptical about going to a school that hasn't been ABA approved yet (Charleston for instance) simply because that is an awfully expensive gamble to take in my opinion..

[Edited on February 14, 2006 at 8:47 AM. Reason : just my two cents..]

2/14/2006 8:35:20 AM

Where are you 1Ls and 2Ls working this summer? I am currently unemployed

2/14/2006 10:46:20 AM

summer classes seem to be a popular choice among the 1L's at campbell...

2/14/2006 11:56:51 AM

Its hard to find a job as a 1L, unless you want to work for free or $2 an hour. A lot of peole are starting to interview. Some of my friends have found jobs.

I'm thinking about summer school (Con Law and Tax). A lot of campbell students clerk at SC or COA in the Spring. Campbell has required courses (evidence, con law II, app ad, ethics, wills) so its a really bad semester.

I have a few options for legal work for either the whole summer or after summer school

[Edited on February 14, 2006 at 6:44 PM. Reason : k]

2/14/2006 6:43:02 PM

Quote :

"** Also, one thing I've learned speaking to people who have graduated law school, if you are willing to put in the work/extracurriculars (like Law Review if you are in the Top 15-20%) you can get a good job no matter what school you go to. I know a Tier IV graduate in PA that was in the Top 15% of his class and got a great job in a mid-large size firm in Philly making upwards of $95,000 entry. Good jobs aren't ONLY for Ivy League kids but you have to work VERY HARD if you want one going to a lower school. I'm also quite skeptical about going to a school that hasn't been ABA approved yet (Charleston for instance) simply because that is an awfully expensive gamble to take in my opinion."

This is all true. However, everyone in your class will think he/she has what it takes to be top 10% and get onto law review. Hard work isn't always enough. Don't enter a school and pay lots of money with the expection of a 95K job. You can probably count on two hands the number of kids at a particular Tier 4 school who get paid close to 6 figures at graduation. That is especially true if you go to a tier 4 in a smaller legal market (like South Carolina).

BTW, before you commit to a school like Charleston, call them and ask what percentage of grads are employed (have they even had a graduating class yet?), and the average starting salary for grads. Also, get a list of where thier students summered. It's not enough to get a list of where the top 10% summered. Sometimes even the hardest working kids end up in the bottom half of a class, and you want to know you can still find legal work and pay off the loans.

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"Where are you 1Ls and 2Ls working this summer? I am currently unemployed "

I graduated last May but my first summer I clerked in a US Attorney's Office. If you can afford to work for free it's a great experience. Make sure part of your summer involves something legal, even if its classes or study abroad. Otherwise potential employers will question why someone didn't hire you.

2/14/2006 8:01:00 PM

well american decided that i wouldn't fit in there, so i'm pretty bummed. i'm starting to worry that the split isn't going to get me into places. crossing my fingers, holding my breath, but not expecting too much now... hopefully campbell? i'm even doubting i'll get in there... please at least pbab.

2/16/2006 5:39:41 PM

my worst fear right now is that I applied to all 9 of those damn schools and then I find out I bombed the lsat again... I seriously will up and pick a different career path if I got less than a 150 and didn't get into any of the schools I applied to.

2/19/2006 2:53:29 AM

don't you know that once you get out of law school you will be wiping your ass with dollars??
































sigh

2/20/2006 1:43:08 PM

^sarcasm?

hehe.... in to 14 schools now... we'll see what happens.


[Edited on February 21, 2006 at 1:16 AM. Reason : ,]

2/21/2006 1:14:35 AM

In to 14 schools as in admitted or as in applied to?? I only applied to I think 6... I haven't heard back yet but I got some stuff on financial aid forms that were school specific in email from 2 so that is a good sign I think. Generally email travels a helluva lot faster then mail..

2/21/2006 8:21:23 AM

what schools did you get into dan?

2/21/2006 3:02:10 PM

haven't heard back yet from any, my LSAT from 2/4/06 won't be available until 2/27/06. but the apps are in and I'm waiting for my 2nd reccommendation to get in. Hopefully he won't delay....
applied to:

(initial 9)
Campbell University
DePaul University College of Law
Howard University School of Law
The John Marshall Law School Chicago
John Marshall Law School, Atlanta
North Carolina Central University
Wake Forest University School of Law
Charlotte School of Law (nonABA)
Charleston School of Law (nonABA)


(+5 fam members recently told me to apply to)
University of Kentucky
Northeastern
Case Western Reserve
Rutgers Camden
Loyola University Chicago

2/21/2006 9:20:35 PM

Charlotte School of Law? when did that come about?

2/21/2006 11:55:16 PM

brand new. not aba approved. I think it might be cool, assuming I don't get into many other places. I have fam/friends in Charlotte who I could leave with on the cheap, and since it's new, they'll probably be picking up whatever students they can, so maybe I'd have a better shot at a relatively high rank, although I bet everyone who seriously considers it is thinking the same thing.

http://www.charlottelaw.org
here's their weigh-in on the ABA approval issue:
http://www.charlottelaw.org/notices.htm

2/22/2006 12:27:38 AM

so 2 new NC schools this fall... wow... (i can't believe that many people really want to do this law school thing)

btw... any reason for not applying to elon?

[Edited on February 22, 2006 at 12:57 AM. Reason : .]

2/22/2006 12:56:23 AM

actually I'll just do a admitted/denied thing when I hear back from all of them..

[Edited on February 22, 2006 at 9:43 AM. Reason : f]

2/22/2006 9:39:47 AM

good luck you guys, keep me posted, i am currently at UNC living in baby blue purgatory so if you guys are applying or get into UNC let me know, we could use a few more staters over here

2/22/2006 12:43:40 PM