If the Vette handles a helluva lot better...

1/12/2006 10:40:57 PM

please, people don't buy vettes for the handling, they buy it because its a street legal race car

1/12/2006 11:30:50 PM

^more far fetched than ^^
c5 outhandles a lot of cars and certainly most other american cars... but don't go calling it a street legal racecar.... just because it can be raced and there is a racing version....

The camaro will have to seat 4 people better than the old car if they want to sell any, so expect the roofline and wheelbase to both go up. That the car will share chassis with the next gto/ (holden/vauxall/opel) monaro will also cause the gto either to be smaller or the camaro's production version will be significantly different before it reaches production.

I like the challenger concept better overall, but not because it looks better than the camaro concept or presents a better bargain or thrill factor, because it fails on all counts, but because [/i]that[/i] car, less interior and underhood glitz, is probably what we can expect for production in late '07, only in steel and plastic instead of the concept's carbon fiber. The dash will change but I bet they'll try to keep a lot of the door insert and console and gauge clust styling, albeit in the same grain material DC uses for the 300c/magnum/charger
I'd bet on the 3.5 v6 (ford sells a lot of v6 mustangs, and the DC 6 is way better than the v6 out of the explorer), 5.7 and 6.1.
I wanna know where the manual is coming from though, DC has taken their sweet ass time getting that one out... I wonder if it'll be offered in the charger or the magnum...hmmm

The camaro's proportions are less realistic, but if conservatively translated, could still be more attractive than the challenger by the time it reaches production. I'm sure an SS version will get an LS2 w/ 400 hp or "380" hp (we all know that GM was calling the old SS to have less power than it did and was just relying on power:weight to be test-drive confirmation that the 'vette was a stouter car), but that roofline will definitely be taller and the details simplified/given that gm/melted look (see pontiac dashboards).

[Edited on January 13, 2006 at 2:55 AM. Reason : details, details...]

1/13/2006 2:42:19 AM

looks like that dodge callenger shit -- aka ugly


someone should just nuke detroit and put them out of their misery

[Edited on January 13, 2006 at 2:59 AM. Reason : dsf]

1/13/2006 2:59:04 AM

Lutz: Modern Camaro borrows from past

Rick Kranz
Automotive News / January 23, 2006 - 6:00 am

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"DETROIT -- Loud whistling and noisy applause greeted the Chevrolet Camaro concept as it was driven through the General Motors exhibit on its way to a stage at the Detroit auto show. But unlike the equally praised Dodge Challenger concept and today's Ford Mustang, the Camaro does not merely display a strong retro theme. Citing comments made by GM Chairman Rick Wagoner, GM Vice Chairman Robert Lutz said: "You don't want to repeat the past slavishly." Lutz explained the Camaro's design direction and issues that need to be overcome before production can be approved to Product Editor Rick Kranz and other journalists Jan. 9 at the show. Here are Lutz's comments. Modern styling I've got to say that Rick Wagoner deserves a lot of the credit for it because the early clay models that we had were much more in keeping with the '60s through the '70s. Rick saw the pictures and said, "Why are we doing this? Let's have another go at it and create a new car that captures the spirit of the '69, because that is what you really want. You don't want to repeat the past slavishly. You want to do a vehicle that captures all of the spirit, the passion, the essence of the old car, but reinterpret it in a new and modern and contemporary way that is going to last awhile." So that is what we did. Ed Welburn got a second team on it, which was led by Tom Peters, who had done the Corvette. Tom Peters very quickly -- very quickly, within weeks -- had this clay model going. And when we saw it, we knew it was right. While the Mustang and the Challenger are very nice cars, I honestly think this goes beyond that. I like both of those cars, (but) they don't really break any new ground aesthetically. They are very close to the original car. Maybe that is a good thing, but we elected not to do that. We elected to do a thoroughly new car with totally new surfaces that doesn't just make the same statement of the old car again, but in fact makes a new statement while capturing all of the spirit and essence of the original cars. We have no production plans to announce. But this concept car was designed over a production architecture, using production mechanical units, and if and when there should be a production car, it would be as close to this as the production Solstice was to the concept. Ever since the first day I got to General Motors, I have been getting mail from Camaro owners, Camaro clubs, Camaro fanatics. It is like a cult following out there. For the last few months I have been answering e-mails by saying, "Just wait for the Detroit show. I think you will be pleased." I know where (Camaro) fits in the overall enthusiasm ranking. If it was a question of what would you like to do, I would obviously do this one first. We can't always follow our enthusiasm. We have to do what's right for the business. It took us about six months on the Solstice to kind of get all the numbers together, see whether we could afford it, see if we could fit it into the engineering workload. It would probably be the same here. Co-existing with Corvette Don't forget that the Camaro and the Corvette did co-exist. But the Corvette is very expensive, and the Camaro was always very affordable. If we were to put this car into production, it would be priced with the Mustang, which means it would be only slightly over the Pontiac Solstice. For production we would obviously do like we did in the old days -- you would have a popular-priced six-cylinder version, then you step up to an eight, then you step up to the next eight, all the way up to 500 hp or whatever size V-8s we have. Any V-8 engine that General Motors manufactures today is potentially slated for this car. You always would like to keep the Corvette with a few horsepower more than a Camaro. Theoretically, anything is possible. Hybrids and V-8s It is two markets. I mean, the whole country is schizophrenic. On the one hand, we have one end of the market that is all ecology, hybrid, let's get the fuel cell as quickly as possible, very concerned about the potential impact of the car on society, and so forth. And at the other end of the spectrum, you've got people wanting ever more horsepower out of V-8s. They want V-10s, they want V-12s, they want the million-dollar Bugatti Veyron with 1,000 hp. So I would call it diversity in the market. And in Hollywood, you have some people who are both. They will have a Lamborghini Gallardo and a Toyota Prius in the same garage. That is the reality of the market. We just respond to it."

This is very interesting. Would be nice to see the LS7 mated to the Camaro as the SS version. I am not really interested in upgrading, unless I can get a 427 vert to replace my 350 vert that I have now.

1/29/2006 7:27:19 PM

is it just me or does this look like they stole it from chrysler???


i dunno but the lines look like a complete ripoff of the challenger/cuda concept.

and i don't get this idea that one car has to have more hp then the rest...

do it like the 60s... every engine should be available in every car it could fit in... thats when things were awesome

the camaro will be slower naturally just from weight and shitty aerodynamics.



[Edited on January 29, 2006 at 8:03 PM. Reason : .]

1/29/2006 8:01:14 PM

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"and i don't get this idea that one car has to have more hp then the rest..."

Because that is the flagship car for the Chevy brand and would undermine itself if you could buy a car that was faster for half the price. Thats why, though I'd like to see the Camaro have the same engine as the Vette, because I can't afford to cough up enough to buy an LS7'd Vette, but I might be able to drop for a new Camaro.

1/29/2006 9:22:26 PM

At a car show a friend of mine went to.



[Edited on January 30, 2006 at 2:49 PM. Reason : fixed]

1/30/2006 2:46:10 PM