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"heh guess you've never worked for a company where their business is 70% appearance. Look is everything to a company like AudioAdvice. I get hounded all the time asking if they'll get XP on their laptop because it looks better."

WELL THEN WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ON HERE ASKING FOR US TO HELP YOU MAKE A CASE FOR SWITCHING

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"heh guess you've never worked for a company where their business is 70% appearance"

you're goddamn right.

[Edited on December 13, 2005 at 7:42 PM. Reason : s]

12/13/2005 7:42:03 PM

If that's REALLY the case, and they REALLY care about appearance,

and you REALLY care about ease of use and uniformity across the network,

WHY THE FUCK DONT THEY ALL USE APPLE MACHINES?

12/13/2005 8:07:45 PM

Sigh last post then I'm leaving this stupid arguement. To answer your question Noen

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"If that's REALLY the case, and they REALLY care about appearance, and you REALLY care about ease of use and uniformity across the network, WHY THE FUCK DONT THEY ALL USE APPLE MACHINES?"

... ooo let me start with

1) Macs can't use or work with 100% of the software we use.
2) Most people don't like using macs, for a multitude of reasons, mainly being Cost of the Hardware ($texas) and the fact that the company would have to buy Mac versions of the software as well (more $texas).
3) My comment about uniformity was to take current systems and using a low cost method bring them all to using the same OS so no matter what workstation they are on they know right where the common used tools are.

That said about Macs, you obviously work for a large corporation where you communication with individual users is sparse and minimum or a freaking basement where you avoid all normal users. The needs of this company is an individual who will cater to their needs without making them feel stupid, gives them what they want the first time and keeps everything working 99% of the time.

So for being a "complete idiot" and other various names I've been called, I've kept everything running pretty fucking good with a 99% uptime with hardware/software under my control. So you can take your cocky ass attitude and shove it up your ass.

Thanks to all that actually tried helping. I appreciate you taking the time to explain why you don't think it's a good idea to switch from 2000 to XP. Though not my original intention of this post it makes sense not to.

[Edited on December 14, 2005 at 12:24 AM. Reason : ! (can't spell)]

12/14/2005 12:23:40 AM

all the people claiming 2k is faster are 100% mistaken. maybe out of the box 2k outperforms xp, but if everything was out of the box, no one would have a need for IT. xp is almost the same os as 2k, only with a slightly upgraded kernel (nt5.0 vs nt5.1). configured properly, xp is just as fast as 2000, offering more security, greater ease of use, etc. configuring xp properly also means, turning off all the stupid visual effects that come on by default. I fail to see anyone mention the added security of xp that should be the only reason necessary to show someone the need to upgrade. while some may say, "lets get vista" they can shut the fuck up. vista is no where near completion and will not be an upgrade to consider before the first service pack. if the people bitching want something pretty, they can buy and support their own machine. you're IT, you only answer to the big man in charge, everyone else can suck a dick. if they have a problem with how you do things, but in you've got a stellar rep to backup your decisions, 99% of the time, your boss will side with you. are any of these people bitching about wanting a prettier UI signing your checks? I didn't think so

12/14/2005 2:02:20 AM

^^Actually I work with a LOT of very very unknowledgable clients, and they love me, because I do what's best for the MONEY for them. I don't waste their time with uneccessary crap or have them spending way more money than they need to be.

And YOU made the comment that 70% of your business is appearance. If that was ANYWHERE NEAR TRUE, the added initial cost of Apple hardware and new software wouldn't even be a blink in time for them to make that decision. So make up your damn mind.

And the reason we continue to berate you is because you asked a question, you had LOTS of very experienced people ALL give you the same answer, as well as TONS of data to backup said answer, then you IGNORED IT.

If you are going to fucking waste our time (which, you seem to have every time you post here) why the hell should we do anything other than berate you for your own idiocy and wasting our precious time?

^and xp has no more security than 2k. Same damn kernel, same damn patches.

[Edited on December 14, 2005 at 3:10 AM. Reason : .]

12/14/2005 3:06:31 AM

^
Do you work second or third shift? Always see you posting at weird hours

This thread is a classic TWW thread. Exorciator trolls, Noen goes ballistic over something, and between all of this, there is good information posted.

Raige, if you can't convince them to go the XP route, you might want to try to go for an infrastructure upgrade of some sort. Not sure how you are pushing/verifying security/updates/etc. at the moment.

12/14/2005 5:52:00 AM

^dude i've literally read 6 of your posts today that have all been "this topic has been done before try search"

and some of em were like 3 years old

you got the "gorman crossings" and "easy 'a' " down

12/14/2005 6:01:11 AM

last I checked, xp had a built in firewall, DEP control, improved local security policy control, and a ton of other security improvements that could be found in a few seconds of google'ing

12/14/2005 10:24:35 AM

the firewall that every sysadmin turns off in any real office environment,

I will give you software DEP, but 2k does have full support for the Intel and AMD hardware DEP.

Local Security Policy? Very well could be, none that I've yet needed. If you have the time, I'd honestly like to know what new control(s) there are and which you use, because I probably should be too.

Still doubtful on the ton of other security improvements, especially in a corp environment.

12/14/2005 1:34:47 PM

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"This thread is a classic TWW thread. Exorciator trolls, Noen goes ballistic over something, and between all of this, there is good information posted."

Yep, the only thing missing from this thread is your CSC fanboy post.

12/14/2005 2:23:22 PM

quote me trolling in this thread

12/14/2005 3:34:33 PM

http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1588

there's a little summary of the differences. I don't really know what security policies are different because I never really managed a 2k domain, I went from NT4 to XP. also, why would you disable the firewall? if you don't have access to cisco caliber hardware (commercial or a *nix wall machine) why would you disable that measure of protection?

12/14/2005 6:56:24 PM

^If you are running a corporate domain, why WOULDNT you have a high grade firewall in place?

ICF is a damn joke. It was great in theory, but it's basically worthless in practice. Especially in a corporate setting.

That article was very informative though, thanks man, there are a bunch of pretty useful little bits and pieces there.

12/14/2005 7:18:36 PM

well, I doubt where raige works, they can justify spending ~$5k on a cisco switch if raige is a developer/the entire IT staff. also, properly configured, xp's firewall cuts down a lot of lan traffic and the spreading of worms via open shares

12/14/2005 7:27:32 PM

the only thing XP is good for is individual users, and that is only sometimes.... I use win2K myself still and only want to upgrade to XP for the restore points.... shit I still might not for awhile anyways...

12/14/2005 9:07:20 PM

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"Most people don't like using macs,"

you're confuseing USING with BUYING

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"he needs of this company is an individual who will cater to their needs without making them feel stupid, gives them what they want the first time and keeps everything working 99% of the time."

that's unrelated to Mac's really, that would just be a factor of you, or a sterotype of Mac IT folks...

[Edited on December 14, 2005 at 9:11 PM. Reason : what the....]

12/14/2005 9:09:37 PM

^^that comment about xp is completely wrong

12/15/2005 3:06:35 AM