yes yes my bad

thxu Engin

12/20/2005 12:27:09 PM

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"Muslims, especially hailing from the Middle East, have that inherent tendency to kill/abolish everythng they don't agree with. It's kinda scary if you're talking to a Muslim about religion and faiths and he immediately starts spewing stuff like non-believers of Allah are idiots. "

Where do you get these generalizations, other than some right wingist, or a christian polemical site which has horrible interpretations of Islam?

The Crusaders before Salahduddin Ayoubi and afterwards, they wiped off, raped, looted, many people, particularily Muslims. Particularily Spain. Since you are not blind to double standards, let us look at the formation of our country, U.S.A? Was it not the Christian Immigrants vs. Savages (Indians), then later on enslaved the ancestors of blacks today? So by your infantile LOGIC and DEDUCTION, it can argueably be stated by historical facts, that America will kill and abolish everything and everyone who is not subservient to them. Modern Case in point--->Afghanistan, Iraq.

You meddle in the affairs of Afghanistan, to use it as a buffer zone for fighting the Russians indirectly through the Afghan people, and utilize and control its natural resources and pipelines. How so? By you sending in the 80s along with the Wahabiya government of Saudia soldiers to enlist and fight in Afghanistan, endorsed and trained by the CIA. Later when these CIA creatures served your purpose, like the Afghan natives, of defeating the Russians, what did USA do? They gave them more money and weapons to kill each other. (By the way, the whole Wahabi movement was created and funded by the colonial British and other western powers who placed ibn Saud at its forefront with Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab during the Ottoman Caliphate, and it has backfired recently on USA (9/11) and England (7/11)) Bin Laden was an easily exploitable for persuasion of going to war in Afganistan, particularily that Bin Laden served his purpose (fighting the russians), but now came back and resided there. Along with the Taliban, who didn't agree with Oil Programs such as that of UNOLOCAL when representatives came to America, america pushed this 9/11 campaign on the forefront to invade Afghanistan, install a puppet, Karzai, and control and occupy the country along with its sources.

Similarily with Iraq. USA helped Saddam against Iran. Then when Saddam opposed on the 'surface' level America's policies, it gave the persuasion again to go to war in Iraq, and occupy and seize their resources, often cited, OIL.

My friend, don't be gullible. Politics is not what it is made out to be in the public.

12/22/2005 9:39:46 AM

you are a goddamned idiot.

12/22/2005 10:02:20 AM

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"wars have been breaking out since the dawn of man. the real shit between Muslims and Christians began around the beginning of the state of Isreal."

"Behold, you are with child, and shall bear a son; you shall call his name Ishmael; because The Lord has given heed to your affliction. He shall be a wild ass of a man, his hand against every man and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen." (Genesis 16:11-12 RSV)

12/22/2005 11:20:23 AM

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"Where do you get these generalizations, other than some right wingist, or a christian polemical site which has horrible interpretations of Islam?"

how the fuck can you bash him for generalizations and in the same sentence use two of them yourself?

[Edited on December 22, 2005 at 11:24 AM. Reason : *]

12/22/2005 11:24:18 AM

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"you are a goddamned idiot."

It sure makes you smart to say that.

12/22/2005 12:03:53 PM

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"how the fuck can you bash him for generalizations and in the same sentence use two of them yourself?"

Where are the generalizations? Don't play the semantics card. How well do you know my background with regards to Religion and Politics? The deductions he has made are transparent in many of the anti islamic sites available, and similar statements have been used erroneously in the past as a rhetorical, polemical device. Can you paste something from an anti islamic site which states the opposite of what he stated? Therefore this is not generalization.

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12/22/2005 12:07:56 PM

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12/22/2005 12:09:05 PM

you are a goddamned idiot.

12/22/2005 12:11:02 PM

No, actually he's quite right on his overview of US foriegn policy.

12/22/2005 12:46:11 PM

you bashed him for having a generalized view.

then you generalized right wingers and christians as having this view.

12/22/2005 1:02:48 PM

Arabs don't hate jews. Some Arabs are jews. Arabs hate each other. Kurds Shi ites Jews. The world is a ghetto. Shi'ites rape Kurdish girls for fun. Jews fight Palestinians in knife fights over neighbor hood trash dumpsters. Turks fight Parisians in the streets of France.

This is the real world children.

Speak softly and carry a big stick.

12/22/2005 3:38:24 PM

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"Would you consider every Christian who swears on the Holy Bible an extremist?"

nope. But a Christian who truly "swears by it" (cause whats his name said "by," not "on" *cough* strawman *cough*) in the sense that whats his name meant it is most certainly an extremist.

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"Nazi's were Christian fanatics"

Nazi's were as much Christian fanatics as Dubya is a small gov't conservative... seriously, you fucking n00bed yourself by that statement.

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"The Crusaders before Salahduddin Ayoubi and afterwards, they wiped off, raped, looted, many people, particularily Muslims."

Seriously, lets make some more rash generalizations based on things that happened HUNDREDS OF FUCKING YEARS AGO!!! yeah, that's REALLY a smart way to be. and, lets also ignore the previous statement of "religious fanatics do some crazy shit!" (paraphrasing ultra). Cause I mean, its not like the Crusaders were fanatics or anything... Oh, and lets also ignore the HARD EVIDENCE that we have of Muslims TODAY DOING CRAZY SHIT! You know, stuff like crashing planes into buildings, blowing up civilians on a regular basis.

As far as I am concerned, everything in the passage you quoted is patently CORRECT, and its correct TODAY. Obviously not all Muslims are crazy religious fanatics who are intolerant SOBs, but EVERY current government based almost exclusively on Islam IS INTOLERANT of those who don't follow Islam. AND, many current countries that ostensibly aren't Islamic (the former Iraq, for example) but that are still pretty much Muslim countries are equally intolerant and fit the profile of that passage. Furthermore, even though not all Muslims condone such intolerance and violence, a scarce few actually condemn it, whereas almost all Christians today DO condemn such things. So seriously, back the fuck out of this bullshit argument you are trying to advance

12/22/2005 7:53:45 PM

Safe to say, religion is the mother of all fuckups.

12/22/2005 9:19:30 PM

me: bother of all fuck ups.

you: mother, brother, any other sucker

/Guy Ritchie

12/22/2005 9:55:27 PM

americans have been around for thousands of years, they know all. If they say something it must be true and must be put into law. world, please to bow down to america.

12/23/2005 3:15:29 AM

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"Where do you get these generalizations, other than some right wingist, or a christian polemical site which has horrible interpretations of Islam? "

I get these generalizations from something that has nothing to do with politics.

12/23/2005 3:59:03 AM

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"Seriously, lets make some more rash generalizations based on things that happened HUNDREDS OF FUCKING YEARS AGO!!! yeah, that's REALLY a smart way to be. and, lets also ignore the previous statement of "religious fanatics do some crazy shit!" (paraphrasing ultra). Cause I mean, its not like the Crusaders were fanatics or anything... Oh, and lets also ignore the HARD EVIDENCE that we have of Muslims TODAY DOING CRAZY SHIT! You know, stuff like crashing planes into buildings, blowing up civilians on a regular basis. "

So what is wrong with the Cause and Effect (as it was derived and attributed mainly in the contemporary, western world to the genius Aristotle)? So your first sentence is stating that the past has no relevancy to our modern situations? In other words, you just have become an instantaneous tomfool!

Crusaders not fanatics (save only Richard the Lionheart, whom may have been a transgressor, but he is okay in my book)???? Are you delusional?

You have never studied Islam in depth, or any other religion for the matter. Reason beign is that what you are regurgitating is the same bunkums that is portrayed in news outlets of today. Interesting to note is that all of the so called (since you mentioned Islamic terrorists, let us go with the 9/11 bombings to be fair) 20 or so hijackers were all of the Wahabiya trained extremists, according to the islamic material that can be deciphered. Anyone with sound mind can differentiate them from traditional, orthodox muslims, whom are peaceful and loving. Interestingly to ALSO note that majority of those hijackers were saudia citizens, and the US has relations with the Saudia, and flew the Royal family immediately to Saudia, and all other flights were frozen on that day? What gives? How can US have relations with the Saudia government which supports the Wahabiyya cause, crucial to its foundations along with the British and other colonial powers then? You know the answer for that. Or should I discuss upon that also?

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" As far as I am concerned, everything in the passage you quoted is patently CORRECT, and its correct TODAY. Obviously not all Muslims are crazy religious fanatics who are intolerant SOBs, but EVERY current government based almost exclusively on Islam IS INTOLERANT of those who don't follow Islam. AND, many current countries that ostensibly aren't Islamic (the former Iraq, for example) but that are still pretty much Muslim countries are equally intolerant and fit the profile of that passage. Furthermore, even though not all Muslims condone such intolerance and violence, a scarce few actually condemn it, whereas almost all Christians today DO condemn such things. So seriously, back the fuck out of this bullshit argument you are trying to advance"

Do you know who I.C.N.A and I.S.N.A. are? What organizations are they in the U.S.A.? Who follows them, and what were their verdicts on Extremism, nonislamic practices of 9/11?

Why does the middle east despise USA? Well, if USA not meddle into their affairs along with the Brits, French, etc, then those populations wouldn't hate USA. Look at all the tyrannical rulers USA has placed in the middle east as cooperative agents. Why would they not hate to be ruled indirectly by USA, meaning their rulers are intercessors on behalf of USA in their eyes? Why did a lot of them sought political asylum as nonimmigrant statuses in the USA in the past century? There is no legitimate authority, particularily in the Sunni world, meaning no Amir, or Caliph, and the Wahabi Bin Laden as this folklore hero and leader is exaggerated. No traditional muslim accepts him to be a leader, let alone a muslim.

After fall of the Ottoman Caliphate, state of Israel formed by the help of USA and BRITS. Wahabiya become empowered in the Saudi Gulf, and extremic thoughts were regenerating like viruses. There were mass immigration of Jews whom illegitimately usurped Palestine, and not only were they given arms, but they started their own bombings. As a result, in defense of their homeland and property, you see the Palestinians now counter their bombings, and they are labeled as suicide bombers or terrorists today. What sheer hypocrisy!

And you are stating that Christians are condemning terrorism? Then George Bush, has murdered and terrorized, the impoverish women, men, children of Afghanistan (What was the afghan's guilt? They fought the war for USA against Russians. Americans and CIA brought the Wahabis such as Bin Laden and other Arabs into Afghan soil. And once Bin Laden's job was done, they thought let us destroy Afghanistan, using Bin Laden as an escapegoat and usurp Afghanistan's oil pipeline)!! Which famed christian has criticized the Zionist Israel (I mean they can't, they formulated Israel, along with the Brits) other than Henry Ford, whose works and prophesies have became true regarding Jews in america.

So therefore all Christians are bad? I am not premature like you to make a deduction such as that. There are good christians, jews, muslims, gnostics, atheists, and so forth. Too bad they aren't addressed more often.

But this was all stated to counter your first premise which was: That you can't base things today on what happened years ago.

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12/23/2005 7:19:11 AM

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"There were mass immigration of Jews whom illegitimately usurped Palestine, and not only were they given arms, but they started their own bombings. As a result, in defense of their homeland and property, you see the Palestinians now counter their bombings, and they are labeled as suicide bombers or terrorists today. What sheer hypocrisy! "

I've been saying that all along. Just because the Palestinians don't have tanks and MIGS to counter the Israeli's they are called terrorists. Too bad the Soviet Union fell, then maybe the Palestinians could have a few T-90's and a few Migs and could be viewed as a 'real' army. Rather than 'terrorists' or people who are so desprate to fight for their country that they are willing to sacrifice their lives for it. Much like the Iranians during the Iraq/Iran war, who marched tens of thousands of unarmed and armed men against the Iraqi soldiers and the sole purpose was for the Iraqi's to run out of ammo and flee before the Iranian soldiers reached their bunkers. As crazy and sucidal as that sounds, it actually worked until, you guessed it, the US gave Saddam more money to upgrade his SCUD missiles to reach Tehran and other Irannian cities and rain down on them fire and chemical weapons. GG USA, land of the free! And of course the Iranians acted by sinking all oil tankers and trade ships headed for Iraq's only port in the Persian Gulf, so what does the good ole' usa do? they sink the entire surface fleet of Iran in one day. GG yet again.

12/23/2005 10:51:20 AM

I don't remember the exact figures anymore, but a year ago, Isreal had 66 UN sanctions against them. The Palestinians had 0.

Also, the US sends 22x the amount of money to Isreal that it sends to the Palestine.

12/23/2005 11:36:20 AM

AFGASN, I was going to respond to your post, but after awhile that shit got fucked up. So much of what you said has already been demonstrated false, repeatedly, on this board and elsewhere on the internet.

Hopefully, no one will ever make the mistake of responding to one of your posts again.

12/23/2005 11:46:52 AM

^^Yea too bad Isreal existed through, and outlasted, the Soviet Union.

12/23/2005 12:00:03 PM

^your point? the Soviet Union was busy with Afgan/usa, helping egypt out with military equipment and many other countries....i.e. cuban missle crisis.

apparently hitler didn't do his job well enough or there wouldn't be this problem today.

you people crack me up...someone proves you wrong and you act like what he says is false...americans love swimming in a pool of their own ignorance. hence why living in the usa is like living on another planet. you have no idea a whole world exists outside your borders. its funny how international news in the usa is covered in 60 seconds. I crack up everytime i hear "the world in 60 seconds" and then they spend hours on some millionare cross dresser that chopped his neighbors head off. only in america, folks.

[Edited on December 23, 2005 at 12:06 PM. Reason : fda]

12/23/2005 12:01:21 PM

You know there are decades seperating Afghanistan, the Cuban missle crisis, and that Arab Isreali war right?

Furthermore, the soviet union supplied Arab countries (like Egypt) with weapons and arms and all of them still got raped by the Isreali army. Therefore, I don't think them giving the palestinians any arms would have made a difference (and they could have and they did.)

12/23/2005 12:04:24 PM

you are an idiot. go back to that library of yours and read a few more books on the Arab/israeli war. the israeli's invaded sinai in the first war, and if you read your history books correctly, you'd know that egypt took it back successfully during a surprise attack hence why Sinai is in Egyptian control now, not israeli. and my whole point of my previous post, if you knew how to read, was that Palestinians would not be viewed as terrorists because they were equiped with tanks and jets just like israel.

and yes, we can all count (i hope) so we know how to count decades between historical events.

[Edited on December 23, 2005 at 12:09 PM. Reason : fda]

12/23/2005 12:08:58 PM

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"So what is wrong with the Cause and Effect (as it was derived and attributed mainly in the contemporary, western world to the genius Aristotle)? So your first sentence is stating that the past has no relevancy to our modern situations? In other words, you just have become an instantaneous tomfool!"

because a generalization such as the one that I am making says, in effect, "this is how X is recently," not "this is how X always is and always has been and always will be." I hope you can see the difference that makes. My generalization of "muslims are quite violent and intolerant" can clearly be seen as an example of the "today generalization," mainly because "tolerance" is a relatively new concept, plus its clear that I am drawing upon recent events to support my claim, which makes the generalization more of a "today" thing than "always has been, always will be."

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"Crusaders not fanatics (save only Richard the Lionheart, whom may have been a transgressor, but he is okay in my book)???? Are you delusional?"

wow. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3A+sarcasm&btnG=Google+Search

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"Do you know who I.C.N.A and I.S.N.A. are? What organizations are they in the U.S.A.? Who follows them, and what were their verdicts on Extremism, nonislamic practices of 9/11?"

honestly, no I don't, and you know why? BECAUSE THOSE FUCKING ORGANIZATIONS ARE NOT MAINSTREAM. not in this country, and not in the world of Christianity. Thus, those aren't applicable as a generalization. In fact, I'm willing to bet that a majority of Christians would denounce whatever those organizations support. But islam on the other hand, with its radical extremists today... remind me again what percentage of muslims denounced the WTC attacks. Remind me again what percentage of them denounce the daily suicide bombings. More importantly, remind me again what percentage of them openly SUPPORT those things...

thats what a generalization is, fucktard. Its not a "this is how every single person in this group acts." rather, its "this is how a person in this group could be expected to act, based on how the vast majority of people in said group act."

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"Why does the middle east despise USA?"

simple: we support Israel and we aren't Muslims.

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"Then George Bush, has murdered and terrorized, the impoverish women, men, children of Afghanistan"

oh, don't give me this bullshit. you disagree with his foreign policy and thats it. Dubya is not out to terrorize those people, no matter what the crazy Islamic fundie leaders and news outlets say. At the very worst case, dubya wants the oil over there. He doesn't give a shit about the people. He's just a greedy bastard. At the very best, he actually wants to HELP THEM. In either case and in all of the cases in between, dubya isn't being a racist and he isn't being a terrorist. grow the fuck up and actually think for yourself instead of regurgitating whatever bullshit propaganda you have been fed about how evil dubya and non-muslims are.

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"What was the afghan's guilt?"

Ummm, IIRC, they harbored and OPENLY FUCKING SUPPORTED a terrorist organization which had committed the most visible act of terrorism of the modern age, namely 9-11. Again, think for yourself and quit instinctively believing the propaganda.

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"So therefore all Christians are bad? I am not premature like you to make a deduction such as that."

Ironically, I never made ANY assertion that all muslims are bad. that, my friend, is what we call a strawman. look it up.

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"Just because the Palestinians don't have tanks and MIGS to counter the Israeli's they are called terrorists."

actually, no. I think it has something to do with the fact that they target civilians as a matter of practice. thats what they do. They don't attack military targets such as tanks and soldiers. they blow up fucking crowded marketplaces and buses. While you could argue that Israel "attacks civilians with tanks and stuff," such an argument is weak, because Israel seeks to avoid civilian casualties generally, while the Palestinians seek to CAUSE THEM. Running a tank through a bomber's house is leaps and bounds different than blowing up buses and markets, especially when you blow up buses and markets BECAUSE THEY ARE FULL OF PEOPLE.

12/23/2005 12:09:33 PM

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" But islam on the other hand, with its radical extremists today... remind me again what percentage of muslims denounced the WTC attacks. Remind me again what percentage of them denounce the daily suicide bombings. More importantly, remind me again what percentage of them openly SUPPORT those things..."

you retard, muslims do not support bin ladden and the likes. hence why all the muslims countries of the world (yes not all of them are in the middle east, but then again you probably didn't know that) had a summit a few weeks ago on how the muslim world is in crisis because of these fanatics and how they are going to battle them. and also Egypt, being mainly a muslim country has always declared war on muslim terrorists, hence why Egypt has always expereinced bombings and other deadly attacks by these groups. so once again, you are wrong. and who the fuck cares about WTC...so what, 2 buildings fell, a few americans died...big deal. those buildings where ugly anyway

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"actually, no. I think it has something to do with the fact that they target civilians as a matter of practice. thats what they do. They don't attack military targets such as tanks and soldiers. they blow up fucking crowded marketplaces and buses. While you could argue that Israel "attacks civilians with tanks and stuff," such an argument is weak, because Israel seeks to avoid civilian casualties generally, while the Palestinians seek to CAUSE THEM. Running a tank through a bomber's house is leaps and bounds different than blowing up buses and markets, especially when you blow up buses and markets BECAUSE THEY ARE FULL OF PEOPLE."

hmm...apparently in the us you don't get news about the israeli attacks. usually along the line of "israeli attack helicopters attacked such and such target and x number of women and children died along with ONE hammas leader...i mean are they that bad at spec ops that they can't send in a team to take out one guy...they have to destroy a whole neighborhood for him. And there aren't enough israeli civilians that die in my opinion....

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12/23/2005 12:13:04 PM

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"They don't attack military targets such as tanks and soldiers."

with regards to that, the attack on the USS Cole was NOT a terrorist act

12/23/2005 12:13:22 PM

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"and who the fuck cares about WTC...so what, 2 buildings fell, a few americans died...big deal. those buildings where ugly anyway"

tell me you don't mean that

12/23/2005 12:14:14 PM

^tell me you don't think its wrong that innocent civillians die everyday from israeli bombs...

12/23/2005 12:15:27 PM

it is wrong

12/23/2005 12:16:07 PM

jesus h holy Christ do you really think American civilians are slaughtering those turrists?

SOMEONE GET THIS D00D'S PHONE WIRETAPPED.

12/23/2005 12:16:37 PM

^someone renew this kids student visa so he can stay in the us!

12/23/2005 12:17:49 PM

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"you are an idiot. go back to that library of yours and read a few more books on the Arab/israeli war. the israeli's invaded sinai in the first war, and if you read your history books correctly, you'd know that egypt took it back successfully during a surprise attack hence why Sinai is in Egyptian control now, not israeli. and my whole point of my previous post, if you knew how to read, was that Palestinians would not be viewed as terrorists because they were equiped with tanks and jets just like israel. "

Why don't we further research what the six-day war resulted in?

Israel captured the Gaza Strip and the Sinai from Egypt, the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria.

Sinai returned to Egypt:

In the following Six-Day War, the Egyptian army was defeated, and Israel took control over the entire peninsula. The Suez Canal, whose east bank was now controlled by Israel, was closed.

In the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Egyptian forces built pontoon bridges to cross the Suez Canal and stormed the supposedly impregnable Barlev Line to gain control of most of the Eastern Bank. Some held positions and others were pushed back across the Suez Canal, the war ending with some of each side's forces on both sides of the canal. As part of the subsequent Sinai Disengagement Agreements, Israel withdrew from west of the canal and pulled out of an additional strip in the western Sinai--while Egyptians held positions in Sinai--allowing for the later re-opening of the canal eventually under Egyptian control.

I'm surprised in you Mark. I know you weren't smart enough to finish college, but you do watch the History channel a lot and they usually have 3-4 specials on Isreal raping the middle east and why the Isreali military is the most powerful army in the middle east.

12/23/2005 12:18:11 PM

here is something thats hard for people of the Abrahamic fascisms religions to understand:

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."



...the civilised world has this gigantic boulder to push up this infinitely large mountain. it'll take many lifetimes, but we'll get there.

12/23/2005 12:20:35 PM

SandSanta, you are retarded. you get all your info from history channel. some of us actually read books instead of get our info from tv. israel does have a powerful army thanks to western $$$ but that wasn't enough for egypt to take back the sinai. you go ahead and watch your jewish run tv shows. and enjoy your ignorance

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"I know you weren't smart enough to finish college"

umm...no idea where you got that from, but whatever. coming from the guy that had to withdraw a semester so he doesn't get a bad gpa. and i swear, the amount of time you spend in the library you would think you were capable of a nobel prize but hell you can't even pull off anything higher than C's in most of your course work

best part of a SandSanta post is the waiting for him to complete his google search and read the first paragraph under the first link that pops up so he can look like he's in the know.

[Edited on December 23, 2005 at 12:23 PM. Reason : fda]

12/23/2005 12:20:39 PM

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"you go ahead and watch your jewish run tv shows. and enjoy your ignorance"

oh look

another pity party

12/23/2005 12:29:35 PM

Apparently you can't read very well. I just went ahead and posted an entire paragraph on the Egyptian counterattack you keep referring too that netted in a stalemate which lead to an agreed withdrawl. Off course Egypt is going to get the Sinai back, its their territory. That doesn't change the fact that they didn't take it back by force nor does it change the fact that Isreals attack on its neighbors effectively ended any organized Arab threat against Isreal. You wouldn't know this off course, because you have no reading comprehension to begin with.

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"and i swear, the amount of time you spend in the library you would think you were capable of a nobel prize but hell you can't even pull off anything higher than C's in most of your course work"

Wait what? I spend time in the library, and I get higher then C's on my course work. Just becauase I joke all the time about the classes I get C's in doesn't mean I get C's in all my classes. Maybe you should work on improving your logical inference in addition to your historical knoweldge. As far as ad hominem attacks go, tell me how your internet degree works out for you.

12/23/2005 12:29:43 PM

^^huh? pitty party?

^ its not even worth responding to anything you write.

12/23/2005 12:34:47 PM

Thats because you can't.

12/23/2005 12:36:14 PM

tempting but you'll have to try better

12/23/2005 12:36:53 PM

I could tell you exactly what to say that might make this somewhat of an educational debate and you would still botch it up. You're way out of your element, kid.

12/23/2005 12:38:39 PM

the way i see it, you lot need to stop drinking all that haterade

and catch up on some Rumi: http://www.mevlana.net/

12/23/2005 12:39:17 PM

^lol

12/23/2005 12:40:27 PM

and with that, i wish you all a Merry Christmas...

later

12/23/2005 12:41:36 PM

I've been to his grave in Konya, the music they play is very spiritual. Recommend A++++++

12/23/2005 12:42:11 PM

^^Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year....


adios!

[Edited on December 23, 2005 at 12:42 PM. Reason : fda]

12/23/2005 12:42:26 PM

Aaronburro, you are a joke. Everything is a feeble and desperate rebuttal that a blind person can make while typing. Oh, and how you cite 'GOOGLE' as your learnt material shows what type of ignorance and knowledge you have. I didn't even bother responding. You are too weak for me. Next.

12/23/2005 12:51:17 PM

^ don't waste your time with TWW or america in general. its like going in a room full of black people and telling them friend chicken is unhealthy...no matter how right you are, you are still wrong.

12/23/2005 12:54:15 PM

Leave America

12/23/2005 12:54:54 PM