so you didnt even read your link
gg


[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 8:58 PM. Reason : haha i just noticed you even cut and pasted some that said God granted false profits, gg dude]

12/27/2005 8:55:22 PM

There you go sticking your fingers in your ears. It's not deception if you tell someone you are going to do it.

Quote :

"PR 30:5 Every word of God proves true. "

Quote :

"PR 30:5 - Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him."

Quote :

" I Sam 15.29: He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie..."

Quote :

"Heb 6.18: God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged. "

Quote :

"Titus 1.2: a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time, "

[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 9:02 PM. Reason : .]

12/27/2005 8:58:26 PM

he isnt telling them he is deceiving them as much as he is giving them the information and opportunity to figure it out

much as he could be doing with this issue

12/27/2005 9:02:01 PM

you can keep posting those versus, they dont really change anything

The point is that God often confuses and deceives. The point that you are now arguing (that you werent before you knew better) is that he does so only as a punishment.

how do we know that isnt the case now?

[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 9:05 PM. Reason : .]

12/27/2005 9:04:16 PM

He's telling them he will deceive them if they don't change their ways. Therefore, there is no deception

They aren't links. They are biblical passages which declare god cannot lie. You have yet to show an instance in which god has lied.

[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 9:05 PM. Reason : .]

12/27/2005 9:04:39 PM

Quote :

"The point is that God often confuses and deceives. The point that you are now arguing (that you werent before you knew better) is that he does so only as a punishment."

Quote :

"how do we know that isnt the case now?"

[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 9:05 PM. Reason : .]

12/27/2005 9:05:26 PM

"if God were REALLY trying to deceive, why would he TELL the people?!" is operative in ALL of the OTHER CASES we have seen!

12/27/2005 9:07:21 PM

he tried to tell us what really happened in genesis
what more do you want?

12/27/2005 9:08:12 PM

Creating the world in seven days =! creating fake fossils to trick people.

In the story of genesis there is nothing about god saying he is going to trick people with fake fossils.

[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 9:09 PM. Reason : .]

12/27/2005 9:09:21 PM

he tried to tell us what really happened in genesis
what more do you want?

12/27/2005 9:10:09 PM

On what day did he create the fake fossils? Was is the seventh when he was really resting?

12/27/2005 9:11:29 PM

he doesnt have to tell you when he did it
he didnt tell ahab he was gonna ask someone to trick him

unless you count testimony of prophets, and there are lots of people telling you about the fossils

[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 9:16 PM. Reason : .]

12/27/2005 9:13:44 PM

Micaiah told Ahab that the lord was going to have his prophets lie if he continued to be wicked.

^What prophets have told us about fossils?

[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 9:16 PM. Reason : oh that's right, none.]

12/27/2005 9:15:04 PM

edited too slow

unless you count testimony of prophets, and there are lots of people telling you about the fossils

12/27/2005 9:16:28 PM

Which Prophet is telling me about fossils? And in the cases of the Lord having individals deceive the wicked, the Lord warned the wicked before the deception occurred. In this case, the deceptions would have occurred before any "prophet" would have warned us about the fossils.

12/27/2005 9:18:05 PM

im warning you
im the prophet

[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 9:19 PM. Reason : its amazing how God knows what is going to happen]

12/27/2005 9:18:47 PM

fossils are already there. Therefore, your warning came after the deception. Thus the lord deceived me and thus the lord violated his own rules, thus the lord is no longer the lord.

12/27/2005 9:20:02 PM

God knew what was going to happen and he placed the fossils
im not sure when the first fossil was found, but it could be possible that he placed them after man was warned

12/27/2005 9:21:04 PM

Where, where is the warning from the lord about fossils? I want something from a prophet or the lord himself. We already know that fossils were found before the middle ages because monsters like dragons come from those fossil finds.

12/27/2005 9:22:09 PM

i guess you want some olive skinned guy with a beard to tell you

12/27/2005 9:22:51 PM

WILL SOMEONE ADDRESS WHY GOD DOESN'T JUST BOINK ALL OF OUR MINDS SO WE FORGET EVOLUTION WAS EVER THEORIZED

12/27/2005 9:22:53 PM

^^I want a record of someone who said it before the first fossil was found/dated

guess what, there aren't any.

12/27/2005 9:25:15 PM

adam wrote that part of genesis before the middle ages

but it doesnt have to come before the fossils were placed, it sure as hell came before evolution was thought up

[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 9:26 PM. Reason : .]

12/27/2005 9:25:16 PM

Adam according to the theogony did not write genesis. Moses did. And I'm not asking for evidence from the bible. I'm asking for any evidence.

^dated fossils is after evolution came into existance, but this thread is not about evolution. It's about the age of the world.

[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 9:27 PM. Reason : .]

12/27/2005 9:26:23 PM

[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 9:27 PM. Reason : adam wrote the creation story, he was told it by God]

12/27/2005 9:26:50 PM

well it was before that too

The point is that God could have done this if he wanted to. I don't think that he did, but he could have. And if God didn't you even admitted the devil could.

[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 9:28 PM. Reason : .]

12/27/2005 9:27:45 PM

Genesis is apart of the Pentatuch, which according to the judeo-christian theogony was written by Moses.

^what the fuck are you talking about now?

[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 9:28 PM. Reason : .]

12/27/2005 9:27:52 PM

it was adam
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c021.html

12/27/2005 9:29:54 PM

Quote :

"The Lord Jesus Himself and the Gospel writers said that the Law was given by Moses (Mark 10:3; Luke 24:27; John 1:17), and the uniform tradition of the Jewish scribes and early Christian fathers, and the conclusion of conservative scholars to the present day, is that Genesis was written by Moses."

Furthermore, give me one instance of an individual, whether it be saint, holy fool (no, I'm not using it as a pejorative) etc, warning about fake fossils before the discovery of said fossils.

[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 9:33 PM. Reason : .]

12/27/2005 9:31:48 PM

Quote :

"This does not preclude the possibility that Moses had access to patriarchal records, preserved by being written on clay tablets and handed down from father to son via the line of Adam - Seth - Noah - Shem - Abraham - Isaac - Jacob, etc., as there are 11 verses in Genesis which read, 'These are the generations [Hebrew: toledoth = 'origins' or by extension 'record of the origins'] of...' [1]."

12/27/2005 9:32:36 PM

ok fine god didnt put the fossils there, the devil did

(also http://www.british-israel.ca/Genesis.htm )

12/27/2005 9:34:31 PM

Quote :

"This does not preclude the possibility"

that is a big IF. Anyway, even if he did have those records, the theogony found in the pentatuch (Torah) is the final result of Moses.

^Satan cannot create, only destroy. Either way, the notion that God made the world look old is patently foolish

[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 9:36 PM. Reason : ..]

12/27/2005 9:35:15 PM

agreed
but he could have if he wanted

[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 9:37 PM. Reason : sorry if that goes against the rules you fabricate]

12/27/2005 9:36:34 PM

quit trying to confuse me with your orwellian double speak and coherently fucking state what you want to state. don't try to deceive me lucifer.

I didn't fabricate the rules. The judeo-christian god created the rules.

[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 9:38 PM. Reason : .]

12/27/2005 9:37:37 PM

actually i was just trolling because this movie was boring
its over now though, so have a good night

12/27/2005 9:38:46 PM

You can't just claim trolling when you lose the argument. It's a copout faggot. And if you are trolling, then you should be suspended for padding.

12/27/2005 9:39:39 PM

no it was war of the worlds
and even still i didnt lose

[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 9:41 PM. Reason : haha theres no mod in here faggot]

12/27/2005 9:40:40 PM

http://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=84753&page=1#1824312

that's my dinosaur explanation from freshman year

it still makes me laugh

[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 9:43 PM. Reason : polluting the soapbox with crap was/is fun]

12/27/2005 9:41:57 PM

Tchüs, come back when you can hold a conversation without using a pejorative and when you can read and comprehend the English language on at least a 9th grade level.

12/27/2005 9:42:05 PM

http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=372610

12/27/2005 9:43:24 PM

This is the JonHGuth I know and love. The one that when he loses an argument brings up extraneous materials.

Tchüs

12/27/2005 9:44:34 PM

haha the troll got out trolled

12/27/2005 9:45:13 PM

i can claim I'm the Pope, but that doesn't make me a pope.

Now to steal something from Mathfreak's playbook, goodbye until you gain intelligence

Tchüs

12/27/2005 9:46:51 PM

I win

12/27/2005 9:52:42 PM

I blame the socialists.

12/27/2005 10:05:34 PM

Light used to be slower than it is now, so all the objects in space that appear to be billions of light years away, are really much closer. No more than 5,000 light years, in fact.

I read it on the internets.

12/27/2005 10:48:41 PM

God tests your faith everyday in many different ways.

He does not need to make the earth look old to do it. That, in fact, is not even a real test of faith since early man had no concept of the world's age outside what was written in religous text.

12/28/2005 12:06:22 PM

Quote :

"I asked this guy, I said, 'Can I ask you a question? It's a one-word question.' "Go ahead." "Dinosaur. Come on man, Dinosaur fossils. What's the deal?" "Dinosaur fossils? God put those there to test our faith." "I think God put you here to test my faith, dude. You believe that?" "Uh huh." Does that trouble anyone here? The idea that God might be fuckin' with our heads? Anyone have trouble sleeping restfully with that thought in their heads? God's running around, burying fossils: "Huh huh ho. We will see who believes in me now, ha HA. I'm a prankster god. I am killing me. Ho ho ho ho." You know, you die, you go to St. Peter, "Did you you believe in dinosaurs?" "Well, you know, there was fossils everywhere." [Bill makes a whap sound on the mic] KOOM Ooowwwwwww. "What are you, an idiot? God was FUCKING with you! Giant flying lizards? You moron! That's one of God's easiest jokes!" "It seemed so plausible! Aieeeeeeeee!" Bound for the lake of fire. . . . While I appreciate your quaint traditions, superstitions, and, you know, I on the other hand am an evolved being who deals solely with the source of light which exists in all of us, in our own minds, no middle man required. [laughs] But anyway, I appreciate your little games and shit, you putting on the tie and going to church, a de da de da. But you know there's a LIVING GOD WHO WILL TALK DIRECTLY FUCKING TO YOU. Sorry, but not too many pages of the Bible that FORGOT TO MENTION DINOSAURS!""

bill hicks

12/28/2005 2:59:38 PM

ahahha,

double post, i didn't even see your's

great hicks quote

[Edited on December 28, 2005 at 3:58 PM. Reason : .]

12/28/2005 3:56:29 PM

Quote :

"He's telling them he will deceive them if they don't change their ways. Therefore, there is no deception"

isn't this deception? if God is unable to deceive and He knows this, then He also knows that whether or not the people change their ways, He won't be able to deceive them.

12/30/2005 9:14:10 AM