Evtimov is deadly from 3...but only when he can set his feet.


If he cant set his feet, he's fucked...stick to passing

[Edited on January 10, 2006 at 11:21 PM. Reason : ]

1/10/2006 11:20:57 PM

ev and sur just need to quit driving and play the perimeter like they are suppose to. we've got big black people for a reason /racism.

1/10/2006 11:21:28 PM

Umm...Atsur had a couple driving layups tonight.

1/10/2006 11:25:36 PM

HALF THE TIME HE FUCKS IT UP

DID YOU WATCH THE UNC GAME?

[Edited on January 10, 2006 at 11:26 PM. Reason : -]

1/10/2006 11:26:30 PM

because if he didn't play

we would bitch just as much

don't kid yourself

1/11/2006 12:07:36 AM

Quote :

"DID YOU WATCH THE UNC GAME?"

I saw all of our guards fuck up in the UNC game you dumbass.

Atsur is a smart player. He knows when he can drive to the basket and when he should pull it out or pass it to someone else. It's not his fault he gets the ball passed to him with 5 seconds left on the shot clock. What the fuck is he supposed to do??

1/11/2006 12:39:16 AM

Quote :

"A second after the buzzer sounded on Tuesday night, NC State's Gavin Grant casually flipped the ball towards the basket from about 30-feet away. Naturally, the ball hit nothing but net. And even though it didn't count, the shot was symbolic of what kind of hot night it had been for the Pack. "

see...he can make shots.

1/11/2006 11:36:24 AM

Gavin looks like a younger Hodge only strongr.

He can take almost anyone to the basket - but finishing is going to need some work. Playing within our offense will earn him more minutes.

1/11/2006 11:39:52 AM

g grant WILL do a nice job of filling Hodge's shoes by the end of this season

1/11/2006 11:46:44 AM

g grant WILL do a nice job of filling Hodge's shoes by the end of this season his senior year

1/11/2006 11:48:31 AM

As soon as he can drive - force a double team - and kick to an open shooter, he'll be effective.

Right now shooting into a double team 5 feet from the basket does nothing - I agree with ^^

[Edited on January 11, 2006 at 11:48 AM. Reason : ^^]

1/11/2006 11:48:46 AM

he's already a better shooter than Hodge

course Hodge was a pretty good shooter and his shot fell off over his last year or two

1/11/2006 11:50:00 AM

I think Grant does a lot of little things well. Like passing and rebounding, and he is not too bad on defense. He's only gonna get better so we prolly just need to be patient with him.

1/11/2006 11:50:36 AM

He's a couple of dumb mistakes a game away from being a good player. He's got the physical side down and can drive well and rebound well. His problem is mostly mental...as he's still in that superstar high school mode.

He's by far the most selfish player on our team and sometimes plays outside of our offense.

1/11/2006 11:59:19 AM

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"he's already a better shooter than Hodge course Hodge was a pretty good shooter and his shot fell off over his last year or two"

This is simply asinine. He is not a better shooter than Hodge. Yes, Hodge's shot percentage dropped off his senior year some but it was well known that he was working on improving his shot mechanic for his future in the NBA (plus ieven thoug it was down he was still pretty much doing better than Grant's best so far)

Gavin Grant
	FG%	FT%	3pt%	PtsPerShot
Fr	.410	.596	.265	1.15
So	.442	.759	.222	1.44

Julius Hodge
	FG%	FT%	3pt%	PtsPerShot
Fr	.442	.742	.347	1.35
So	.446 	.813 	.336 	1.48
Jr	.507 	.828 	.361 	1.51
Sr	.493 	.668 	.255 	1.44

1/11/2006 12:29:55 PM

i think grant might be a better outside shooter than hodge

but grant takes terrible shots so his % is low. if he would wait for the open shot, he would prob be higher.

1/11/2006 12:32:25 PM

Considering Hodge was double teamed most of the time and erquired to throw it up in desparation half the time (things Grant doesn't have to deal with) that the difference between Grant and Hidge is even greater than the numbers indicate.

1/11/2006 1:05:49 PM

^^isn't grant like 3/15 or something on the year from long distance?

hodge wasn't any worse than that percentage-wise, and he knew to not shoot that nearly as much as gavin does.

1/11/2006 2:23:07 PM

you are mistaking shooting percentage w/ shooting ability




note: i dont actually KNOW that grant shoots better than Hodge, i just know that Hodge was a horrible outside shooter and it would be tough to be much worse. Plus grant's shot at least has better form.

1/11/2006 2:37:44 PM

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"you are mistaking shooting percentage w/ shooting ability"

If you don't know when a good shot is available, throw up shots when its not a good time, or simply not hit many of your shots, then you do not have better "shooting ability" than someone who does.

Hell, I would think free-throw and 3pt field goals are pretty good indicators as to shooting ability (takes the layups out of the picture) and Hodge has Grant beat on both those accounts. You say that Grant is shooting when his shot is contested and therefore his numbers are skewed but what about Hodge? We all know the ball went to him at the end of games and he would have to throw it up, even when double teamed. His numbers are probably more skewed simply because of the fact that he was the go-to guy and had to take those low percentage shots.

1/11/2006 3:36:48 PM

whatever

if a guy kills it in, say, a 3 pt contest but cant ever get open or know when to shoot, he is still a good shooter, he just sucks at everything else.



truth be told, after watching hodge play for 4 yrs and gavin for one and a half, there isnt enough evidence that either is better than the other. Hodge has had 3-pters not even hit the rim and that was in the course of regular gameplay. The fact is, neither has shown themselves to be good at outside shooting. whether grant is good at 3's remains to be seen.

1/11/2006 4:03:59 PM

Quote :

"whatever if a guy kills it in, say, a 3 pt contest but cant ever get open or know when to shoot, he is still a good shooter, he just sucks at everything else. "

For god sakes, he can't hit a stationary, uncontested shot from 15 feet away as well as Hodge. Its as basic as shooting gets.

Quote :

"truth be told, after watching hodge play for 4 yrs and gavin for one and a half, there isnt enough evidence that either is better than the other. Hodge has had 3-pters not even hit the rim and that was in the course of regular gameplay. The fact is, neither has shown themselves to be good at outside shooting. whether grant is good at 3's remains to be seen."

You can look at the numbers through repsective points in their career.:

	GrantFG	HodgeFG
Fr	.410	.442	
So	.442	.446	

	GrantFT	HodgeFT
Fr	.596	.742	
So	.759	.813	

	Grant3	Hodge3
Fr	.265	.347
So	.222	.336

1/11/2006 4:43:42 PM

1.) Gavin is not better than Julius.

2.) Gavin is a good player, he deserves minutes, but he's been slumping. Through the first 5 games, he was averaging:

29 minutes
10.8 pts
5.8 boards
4.6 assists
2 turnovers

...he was one of the better players on the team productivity-wise. But since Iowa, he's been averaging:

19.5 minutes
7 pts
4.5 boards
2.3 assists
2.6 turnovers

On a per minute basis, his point production has gone down and his turnovers have gone way up. I would agree that he deserves less minutes at this rate, but he could be a really valuable players for us. He's a big guard that can create match-up problems and create open looks off the dribble better than anyone else on our team. He needs to stick to driving and dishing, that's his forte, not 3 pointers, not posting up.


Here's another reason why he plays:
11/20 vs. Delaware
22 points on 12 field goal attempts, 9 rebounds, 2 assists, a turnover, and a steal
Probably the best single-game performance by anyone this season outside of Ced at Iowa

[Edited on January 11, 2006 at 5:21 PM. Reason : ]

1/11/2006 5:05:21 PM

gavin played really well tonight

props

1/18/2006 9:06:08 PM

He started off badly, played well in the middle, and ended badly.

He exceeded my low expectations, but he still screwed up several times.

1/18/2006 9:07:06 PM

^agreed.

played better than I usually expect but I still don't like seeing him making a move with the ball or even playing in the game really. he finished down low though.

1/18/2006 9:41:11 PM

made his layups mon

good job on that

1/18/2006 9:42:16 PM

haha "mon"


he did play a good game. duke's slow on defense. we could have probably used Fells' slashing ability tonight as well.

1/18/2006 10:03:24 PM

I didnt read the thread i would just like to point out hodge and grant both have horrible shot mechanics. That being said as long as the ball goes in the hoop, i dont care if its backwords lefty hook shot.

1/18/2006 10:08:41 PM

Quote :

"gavin played really well tonight"

Yeah, he did do much better than he had been the last several games. I would like to point out that I believe he missed every damn jumper he took tonight, though.

1/18/2006 10:36:57 PM

ahem

1/25/2006 7:14:18 PM

gad more of the same

fells made a quick mistake but made up for it and got a block

lets see more of him

mccauley too

1/25/2006 9:25:12 PM

but seriously

1/29/2006 3:14:55 PM

bttt anyone else hoping his trial goes bad and hes stuck in jamaica?

1/29/2006 4:25:47 PM

He finally hit an open three today. gg Gavin.

1/29/2006 4:28:28 PM

he didnt fuck up in OT and hit that 3. GG

He just needs to calm down when he is driving and THINK. If you see help coming, pass the fucking ball.

[Edited on January 29, 2006 at 4:28 PM. Reason : sdf]

1/29/2006 4:28:42 PM

anytime he gets the ball in his hands my natural reaction is now 'oh no'

1/29/2006 4:29:04 PM

He is no where near as good of ball handler as he thinks he is

1/29/2006 4:30:05 PM

JAMAICANS SHOULD STICK TO BOBSLED

1/29/2006 4:31:29 PM

Somebody does need to tell him to not stand in the corner when a half-court trap is coming...it kind of limits your options Gavin.

1/29/2006 4:36:56 PM

Quote :

"anytime he gets the ball in his hands my natural reaction is now 'oh no'"

me, too

he really stresses me out

1/29/2006 4:41:20 PM

Quote :

"Whenever Evtimov has the ball under the basket and he delays for a second I always shout "NO NO NOT THE HOOK SHOT" then he does it and misses"

haha.

btw grant doesnt play with any confidence at all.

1/29/2006 4:51:45 PM

^indeed. half of bball at this level is just playing like you know you arent going to fuck up

1/29/2006 4:53:16 PM

he screwed up there at the end of regulation but overall he was clutch and played much better tonight

2/8/2006 9:38:46 PM

the miami radio guy said "Grant takes an extra step every time"


But it sounded like he did what he's supposed to do...get to the line.

[Edited on February 8, 2006 at 9:39 PM. Reason : ]

2/8/2006 9:39:24 PM

6-6 ft's?

and the miami radio guy sux.

[Edited on February 8, 2006 at 9:40 PM. Reason : fkds]

2/8/2006 9:39:54 PM

god damn

2/12/2006 3:03:44 PM

^

2/12/2006 3:04:03 PM

WTF!

2/12/2006 3:04:08 PM

WHAT THE FUCK

2/12/2006 3:04:17 PM