i blame cheese

1/18/2006 3:59:37 PM

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"What exactly are you recommending here?"

A sniper rifle, perhaps? I'd complain less about this type of thing if it killed only the intended target. Yes, I know that'd be harder to pull off.

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"Not that the rocket approach has been spectacularly successful either, but sending people into a multi-structure compound hasn't succeded very often, if at all."

Sure, but it's less likely to result in death of children than the rocket method is. I think that's a fair trade-off.

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"That is appropriate."

I could settle for that wording. I think it will be years before any U.S. official has guts to actually apologize, though. I hope I'm wrong.

1/18/2006 4:18:39 PM

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"Sure, but it's less likely to result in death of children than the rocket method is."

I kind of doubt that this is the case. Any entry strategy to such a building/compound would involve at least some explosives or other area weapons. And even if it didn't, kids would still get killed, except now we have US military people shooting kids right up close -- harder on the soldiers and worse in the news.

1/18/2006 4:20:53 PM

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"I kind of doubt that this is the case."

The idea that a rocket attack is no more dangerous to civilians than anything else strikes me as a bit silly. The attack destroyed three houses. I'm damn sure more discriminating methods are available. Consider the example of police work inside the U.S. Not great, but killing a bunch of random folks in a single police action is extremely rare. The same standard should applied everywhere.

1/19/2006 4:10:24 PM

Yes, let's consider police work inside the United States. Let's consider Waco in particular.

In this country have the the luxury of time to just set up a perimeter around the offenders and wait them out, negotiate, etc. And even then we manage to bungle it.

1/19/2006 4:12:14 PM

Yes, we screwed up big time on Waco. In general, though, cops kill fewer random people than missile strikes. Kids are consistently injured or killed when rockets are used for assassination.

1/19/2006 5:31:33 PM

it's a moot point though, in this instance, as the pakistani (or any government) has about as much control to do any of that in that region as i do.

1/19/2006 6:16:13 PM

Doesn't matter. I don't care if a missile strike was the only option in this case. It's still immoral. Doing nothing would have been better.

1/19/2006 9:57:00 PM

We should have politely knocked on the door and waited for them to finish dinner because we all know how much respect terrorists have for the rule of law. [/sarcasm]

If we would have sent in troops to simply arrest them I'd be willing to bet that some of our soldiers would have died in the process which would just lead to more liberal bitching about military deaths, not to mention that some of these dead terrorists would have had a greater chance of surviving the whole event.

1/21/2006 7:55:08 AM

^ you remind me of that sheriff from smokey and the bandit movie

[Edited on January 21, 2006 at 2:11 PM. Reason : fgh]

1/21/2006 2:11:31 PM

^^ I thought you were opposed to killing kids. Or is that only before they are born?

1/21/2006 2:54:18 PM

nobody chooses to be a fetus

but everyone chooses to live in that section of pakistan

1/21/2006 3:15:01 PM

Give me another scenario that would have been equally as effective as bombing that house.

1/22/2006 1:41:37 AM

So who was killed exactly in this attack?

[Edited on January 22, 2006 at 2:05 AM. Reason : of those that "deserved" to be killed?]

1/22/2006 2:04:51 AM

^^how about snipers

do we not have snipers in our armed forces anymore?

[Edited on January 22, 2006 at 3:32 AM. Reason : ?]

1/22/2006 3:31:52 AM

There were several targets in the house. After the first one goes down, the rest hide and call for help.

1/22/2006 10:36:03 AM

^ yes, let's send a sniper/spotter team into pakistan to shot about 15 people all at once, because that works.

1/22/2006 12:14:04 PM

^^ Or worse yet, the targets get away and our soldiers, being stuck in the Pakistan back country, are caught and killed.

That doesn't sound like a viable alternative to me.

1/22/2006 2:04:42 PM

you guys are right

killing innocent kids is the right thing to do

1/22/2006 5:32:40 PM

Letting terrorists go scott free so you democrats can bitch and moan about the ineffectiveness of the war on terror should have been the most important thing.

Some of you just want to bitch for the sake of bitching. Nobody wants to see women or children die, but if the only way to kill these SOBs was to bomb the house then sadly that just had to be the case. And since the shot was fired from a drone, how were we to know that there were women and children present in the house to begin with, especially considering the some of the masterminds who are the leading advocates of terror were easy targets?

1/22/2006 5:48:23 PM

ARMCHAIR GENERALS UNITE!

1/22/2006 5:58:38 PM

Killing innocent kids is not the right thing to do. But it may -- pending more information about what targets were present -- have been a necessary thing to do.

Now you'll start about the "moral high ground," and I'll remind you that we at least make an effort not to kill kids, which is more than I can say for our opponents in this particular conflict.

1/22/2006 6:17:15 PM

you know

we probably should kill the kids

since we're making it so easy to recruit and train people willing to die to hurt us and our intrests
we might as well cut the middle man out

1/22/2006 7:36:42 PM

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"Nobody wants to see women or children die, but if the only way to kill these SOBs was to bomb the house then sadly that just had to be the case."

I don't consider that a good trade-off.

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"And since the shot was fired from a drone, how were we to know that there were women and children present in the house to begin with, especially considering the some of the masterminds who are the leading advocates of terror were easy targets?"

Uh, maybe we should figure out who the fuck is at the target location before we fire missiles? If that requires using something other than drones then so be it.

Besides, everyone knows such missile attacks consistently kill random people. When you level three houses you can be pretty damn sure you'll cause some "collateral damage."

1/23/2006 4:49:53 PM

Golovko supports and bumps this thread!

1/23/2006 7:49:44 PM

those brown motherfuckers are gonna end us one day, our fault or not.

and glovko is more of a typical spoiled american brat than most white kids. yet he constantly talks shit. just like a brat.

and he fucked sweet treats, the girl that made a thread on here claiming that she got raped -- and it was ok cause the guy was hot.

real class act/genius we have here.

1/26/2006 6:47:47 AM

what the hell are you doing in here anyway, 'leg?

1/26/2006 8:26:36 AM

he got lost

1/26/2006 8:35:44 AM

i was trying to bore myself to sleep

didnt work

I KINDA LIKE IT I THINK I WILL STAY

1/26/2006 9:16:02 AM

YOU'RE WRONG ASSHOLE

1/26/2006 9:16:53 AM