It rarely does.


Duke still hasn't proven that they can last beyond one coach.


Not many programs can

2/4/2006 7:10:44 PM

PackBacker is right on target.

Crede is a fag and a tool, if that's even possible.

2/4/2006 7:11:25 PM

Ouch!

2/4/2006 7:12:21 PM

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"Why the fuck are you people trying to argue with me. Ask UNC students who their rival is. If you prod them maybe they'll say "State too, I guess", but NONE of them are going to say NCSU first."

No one is arguing present day.

When State/UNC was a bigger rivalry, modern UNC students were in diapers.

UNC/Duke is a rivalry or the past 20 years.... nothing more. They've always dislike each other, but before Krzoosky, Duke was an afterthought to UNC and State was their main rival

Point is, saying UNC and State aren't rivals is ridiculous. That matchup has much more potential than UNC/Duke, and throughout history has been much larger. State just got the axe by the NCAA (Or News and Observer, rather)

[Edited on February 4, 2006 at 7:15 PM. Reason : ]

2/4/2006 7:12:45 PM

I understand your point about how new the UNC/Duke "rivalry" is, and you're right about it not lasting forever, but I just know that UNC students don't care about UNC/NCSU games as much as NCSU students.

2/4/2006 7:14:03 PM

Just out of curiosity, what school WOULD say NCSU, right now, is their biggest rival?

Wake? Maryland?

We're in a sort of slump in comparison to Duke/UNC, thus the rivalry taking a back seat. But I think in the scheme of time UNC/NCSU will and is the biggest...especially within NC.

2/4/2006 7:17:04 PM

I think Duke has established themselves enough to remain a force even after K...and get any coach they want. I don't see them falling off, per se. Maybe not being the "Duke" we know, but at least staying around the top for awhile. (Then again, teams like Gtown and UCLA couldn't do that)


It's going to be interesting if UNC, Duke, and State eventually climb back to their glory days to see who gets hyped the most.

UNC students don't care about State becuase they're no longer battling State for supremacy.

The pure hatred actually would be worse with State considering they're the two major public colleges of NC, their alums work together, and they're much more similar in student body (predominantly North Carolina residents). UNC and State, although I've never witness the "rivalry" in my life, I would imagine would be much more cut-throat just considering the amount of interaction between the schools alums


[Edited on February 4, 2006 at 7:19 PM. Reason : ]

2/4/2006 7:17:45 PM

It all depends on your definition of a "rival". NCSU students are fine in placing great importance on their UNC games but in the end it's not met with the same fervor on the other end.

2/4/2006 7:18:48 PM

From the Durham Herald:

Quote :

"Rivalry reminiscing UNC-N.C. State long has been a big game for Williams, a North Carolina graduate. Four members of his high school baseball team and one of his closest friends attended N.C. State. So did his father-in-law, for that matter. "You don't see me wear red very often, to say the least," he said. "If you do, I've lost a bet or something." On Friday, Williams thought back to a time when he would have been safer had he worn red. He talked about a trip he took with a few friends over to Reynolds Coliseum back when he was a UNC student. "I can remember being over there," he said. "I sneaked in over there the night Charlie Scott made a bunch of jumpers -- running sideways and stuff like that. I was acting the fool, and two of them said, 'We're leaving because you're going to get all of us killed.' " "

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"CHAPEL HILL -- As a star basketball player in Poplar Bluff, Mo., Tyler Hansbrough knew little about the rivalry between N.C. State and North Carolina. But just as he has on the court all season, UNC's freshman post player is learning quickly off it. "I noticed that last night when I was walking around," Hansbrough said Friday after practice. "Everybody was talking about, 'Just beat State on Saturday.' I could tell it was a big deal." "

But there's no rivalry.

2/4/2006 7:19:53 PM

^^only because NC State has sucked for 20 years.


You do understand that just becuase UNC could care less about little ol' State nowadays, it hasn't always been that way nor will it remain that way.... right?


I bet they'd care a lot more if State was ranked top 5 every year like Duke has been under coach K. On that same note, I bet they'd care a lot less about Duke if Duke lost K and came into the Nose dome at about 2-14 every year.


Get the difference? It's a matter of the times. Duke wasn't always Duke


[Edited on February 4, 2006 at 7:23 PM. Reason : ]

2/4/2006 7:21:33 PM

Quote :

"It all depends on your definition of a "rival". NCSU students are fine in placing great importance on their UNC games but in the end it's not met with the same fervor on the other end."

There's no denying you're wrong here. If you don't think UNC students wouldn't skip class or do something crazy to make SURE they make the NCSU/UNC game, you're crazy. It's a fact that UNC fans get HYPED about our game. You left yourself wide open by not saying "more than the Duke game".

2/4/2006 7:21:44 PM

^ UNC undergraduate students don't have class at night.

2/4/2006 7:23:18 PM

all my unc friends always say "you know state isn't our rival right? duke is our rival but you (nc state) think we are your rival"

2/4/2006 11:20:15 PM

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"unc friends"

and there's your problem.

2/4/2006 11:21:01 PM

i just know i see a lot of shit talking about State on the UNC boards.

2/4/2006 11:21:30 PM

seriously, if you have friends who go to other colleges you are a fag and bring dishonor to nc state

2/5/2006 12:07:49 AM

^ Pretty much. 2 people from my high school went to UNC. They're now just "people I happened to be in the same high school with".

Seriously, I don't mess around.

2/5/2006 12:12:00 AM

Duke/UNC will always be THE rivalry on the national stage.

because Duke and UNC both have nationally recognized Medicine and Law schools. One is state-supported, the other is private ivy league.... nobody outside the ACC cares about "the university of north carolina at raleigh" what do we have, that people across the country know about? a vet school? maybe.

not that i ever would, but it'd be like me trying to tell people on the east coast about Washington State University. what the hell is that? people know about the Univ. of Washington, but WSU? oh, it's just some agricultural and enginneering college in washingon. yawn.

2/5/2006 3:31:28 AM

Quote :

"Just out of curiosity, what school WOULD say NCSU, right now, is their biggest rival? "

Clemson

2/5/2006 3:32:27 AM

Quote :

"Duke/UNC will always be THE rivalry on the national stage. because Duke and UNC both have nationally recognized Medicine and Law schools. One is state-supported, the other is private ivy league.... nobody outside the ACC cares about "the university of north carolina at raleigh" what do we have, that people across the country know about? a vet school? maybe. not that i ever would, but it'd be like me trying to tell people on the east coast about Washington State University. what the hell is that? people know about the Univ. of Washington, but WSU? oh, it's just some agricultural and enginneering college in washingon. yawn."

I thought it was impossible, but I believe I have found the stupidest ever post on the Wolf Web.

So Duke and Carolina gets lots of love because their great medicine and law schools? Yeah, that's why Dick Vitale always makes sure he's at the Carolina-Duke game, it's for those people sitting behind him going over Antonin Scalia's dissertations. Bulls***!

I know nothing about the University of Washington, except that they cheated to win a national title in football in the early '90s, were placed on probation, and have been crap since then. I know zero about their academic reputation, which is equal to Washington State.

A girl from my hometown was offered a full ride at Carolina. She declined the full ride and paid her way through Duke. After graduating, she got a top flight job that then paid for her entire schooling. Duke > Carolina on that front.

And Duke is not in the Ivy League. The Ivy League is nothing more than an athletic conference consisting of Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Brown, Pennsylvania, Cornell, Columbia, and Dartmouth.

If you're going to argue academics as being the basis for an athletic rivalry, go watch the Harvard-Yale football game or the Princeton-Pennsylvania basketball game. Carolina can't compare in that regard cause Ivy League schools would not accept basketball players with SATs in the 700s.

[Edited on February 5, 2006 at 1:22 PM. Reason : .]

2/5/2006 1:18:06 PM

^ahaha


[Edited on February 5, 2006 at 1:32 PM. Reason : ]

2/5/2006 1:25:08 PM

Summary

UNC/State rivalry wont become greater that unc/duke(outside of State) until we either become really good for a extended amount of time, or just start beating unc consistently.

Or if unc/duke programs start to fall off, which I dont see happening.

2/5/2006 1:56:41 PM

This has to be one of the worst threads ever.

2/5/2006 2:25:08 PM

FLyinRyan:

just because you never left your hometown until college doesn't mean there isnt a larger world out there.

and that larger world doesn't consider NCSU as rivals to UNC or Duke. In fact, the larger world doesnt consider NCSU much at all about anything. as far as the rest of the country is concerned, NCSU is just another state-supported cow college in just another state, like every other state has their own cow colleges.

on the other hand, UNC and Duke are nationally recognized universities largely due to their top rated professional programs. and yes, its true they do spend money on quality sports programs unlike Harvard or Yale, because no one wants to watch chronically sucky teams. its a combination of nationally reknown academics, quality athletics, and lots of money. In the "national perception", UNC and Duke have all of that, and NCSU doesn't.



[Edited on February 5, 2006 at 3:07 PM. Reason : ]

2/5/2006 3:06:16 PM

Quote :

"I understand your point about how new the UNC/Duke "rivalry" is, and you're right about it not lasting forever, but I just know that UNC students don't care about UNC/NCSU games as much as NCSU students."

That depends on the sport. I remember spending Halloween in UNC-Ch at a party and seeing a bunch of pumpkins carved into the score of the UNC-NCSU game (mind you, the one that the refs one for them) and people were really excited about it. When they beat Duke they're happy because they hate Duke and if you lose to them in Football its like being beaten by the Girl Scouts, but in football they care about State just as much as they care about Duke.

That's why John Cunting is always such a prick

2/5/2006 3:13:58 PM

^^Dude, just stop...

Academics have next to nothing to do with how good a rivalry is. That's just stupid. I guess nobody cares about the iron bowl.

Also, you suck at life for thinking that Duke is ivy league.

[Edited on February 5, 2006 at 3:15 PM. Reason : s]

2/5/2006 3:14:43 PM

Quote :

"Academics have next to nothing to do with how good a rivalry is."

it is exactly equal in importance to the strength of the athletic program.

to have a "rivalry", the organizations have to be "equals"... they have to be "peers".

UNC and Duke, are equals in every sense, except that one is private and elitist, the other is state-supported and (somewhat) egalitarian.

consider the fierce Ohio State University / Univ. of Michigan rivalary. Michigan does not consider Michigan State their natural rival. Ohio State does not consider the Ohio University their natural rival. because those other two schools do not approach the money,academics,and athletics at Michigan or OSU. Michigan and OSU are both major Law and Medicine schools, and as such are "equals" and "peers"

so look, fuckwit, let me explain it to you simply: snot-nosed, bargain-beer drinking undergrads do NOT maintain a national rivalry. its the motherfuckers who get PAID who maintain the national rivalries. Doctors, Lawyers, Politicians. People who have power and influence. Generally speaking, cow-college grads like NCSU alum are NOT in these circles. Law School and Med School Grads ARE. Undergrad alums do not pay money. Professional Alumni are the people who PAY for top rated athletic programs to complement their top rated professional schools.

Quote :

"Also, you suck at life for thinking that Duke is ivy league."

i cant help it if you're completely ignorant. Duke is not "technically" Ivy League(a term originated with a long-defunct sports league), but is now largely considered to be in the ranks of Ivy league schools

"The College Guide published by US News and World Report which ranks
US universities ... Year after year the Ivy League universities all rank within
the top 15, with only a handful of state universities (usually UC Berkeley,
UCLA, Virginia, North Carolina, Michigan and Illinois) appearing near
the top. The other top private universities (usually MIT, Johns Hopkins,
Northwestern, Duke, Rice, Caltech, Carnegie Mellon, etc), though
not officially members of Ivy League, share many of the characteristics of
the League members"



[Edited on February 5, 2006 at 4:00 PM. Reason : ]

2/5/2006 3:42:55 PM

do a test: Google "duke unc rivalry", and heres what you get on the top search hits:

SI.com (national)
msnbc.com (national)
cbs.com (national)
dailyrecord.com (national)

then do this test: Google "unc ncsu rivalry", and heres what you get on the top search hits:

collegegear.com (selling a shirt)
newsobserver.com (the raleigh paper)
gopack.com (ncsu wolfpack)
statefansnation.com (ncsu alumni weblog)

you lose.

2/5/2006 3:58:15 PM

The stupidity in this thread is amazing

2/5/2006 4:00:23 PM

the stupidity of many NCSU students is amazing, too.

2/5/2006 4:01:11 PM

Quote :

"grads like NCSU alum are NOT in these circles"

i giggled

2/5/2006 4:08:57 PM

Quote :

"i cant help it if you're completely ignorant. Duke is not "technically" Ivy League(a term originated with a long-defunct sports league), but is now largely considered to be in the ranks of Ivy league schools"

Ignorant-
1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.

i.e. someone making reference to Duke being an Ivy league school

2/5/2006 4:24:54 PM

so what about the big 3 in florida?

Why would Florida hate FSU more then Miami when they aren't close to their academic level?

2/5/2006 4:26:23 PM

Quote :

" it is exactly equal in importance to the strength of the athletic program. "

i heard duke and carolina have a pretty heated spelling bee every year...everybody missed the bball game last year cause they were rioting in the streets after that carolina kid spelled xylophone wrong

2/5/2006 5:03:05 PM

Quote :

"consider the fierce Ohio State University / Univ. of Michigan rivalary. Michigan does not consider Michigan State their natural rival. Ohio State does not consider the Ohio University their natural rival. because those other two schools do not approach the money,academics,and athletics at Michigan or OSU. Michigan and OSU are both major Law and Medicine schools, and as such are "equals" and "peers" "

i'm sure those law and medicine schools are the reason for the rivalry...forget that both schools win national championships....get off this board you dumbass...

2/5/2006 5:05:41 PM

Quote :

"do a test: Google "duke unc rivalry", and heres what you get on the top search hits: "

proof that you dont know shit.

Go ahead and google "Most miserable failure" and "MOst beautiful college football stadium" and you'll learn a little about how google works as a search engine.

Did you even get into State/UNC or are you just a UNC......Wilmington/Charlotte student who couldn't get in a real college?

2/5/2006 5:16:11 PM

I'm a Carolina fan and so is the rest of my family. I'm an engineering major so coming to State was strictly business. I still wear my Carolina stuff around campus and the best State fans can muster up are dirty looks. They don't even talk shit. I'm 6'8, 260 lbs and black but had I done this on Dukes campus, I would be in fear of my life. The rivalry spawns from the lengths that the fans are willing go in the name of their school/team. Now I'm not saying State fans don't go to extremes but the lengths that Carolina is willing to go to get at Duke is a whole nother level and borders on criminal. When Carolina hates State as much as Carolina hates Duke then they'll be a rivalry again. State fans need to step their game up, come with some better insults than "Go to hell, Caroline".

2/5/2006 5:39:13 PM

^ We did, and we made national headlines for it.

[Edited on February 5, 2006 at 5:46 PM. Reason : .]

2/5/2006 5:39:24 PM

^^i'd be scared to0 with all those arabs...

[Edited on February 5, 2006 at 6:21 PM. Reason : ]

2/5/2006 6:20:53 PM

I'm sure being a 6'8" black dude is going to work out well for you in life

[Edited on February 5, 2006 at 6:35 PM. Reason : sdf]

2/5/2006 6:35:10 PM

Quote :

"its the motherfuckers who get PAID who maintain the national rivalries. Doctors, Lawyers, Politicians. People who have power and influence. Generally speaking, cow-college grads like NCSU alum are NOT in these circles. Law School and Med School Grads ARE. Undergrad alums do not pay money. Professional Alumni are the people who PAY for top rated athletic programs to complement their top rated professional schools."

so why does Duke perpetually suck in football if their alum are able to contribute so much money to Duke athletics. at least UNC makes strides to get better at football. also this thought that NCSU alum are not in this so called professional circle is absurd. we have the largest percentage of pre-med students get accepted to med school than any other school in the state. last i checked engineers get payed pretty nicely, and they make up like half the student body. so their able to put money toward NCSU athletics when they're alum. bottom line is that NCSU athletics were pretty bad in the 90's and when you have bad teams you don't feel like giving as much money as much as if you had good teams. just look at how much season ticket sales and donations to our athletics programs has risen since 2000.

2/5/2006 6:40:02 PM

Quote :

"Did you even get into State/UNC or are you just a UNC......Wilmington/Charlotte"

if youd bother to check, youd see i got my BSEE from State, fuckwit.

now i work as a design engineer in seattle. and i'll tell you, the only thing people from seattle know about NCSU, is Koren Robinson and Sean Locklear.

but everyone knows about UNC and Duke basketball. my wife (a UNC grad) works at the U of Washington Med Center, and UNC and Duke are are well respected... UNC and Duke have alumni associations here, that are active. NC State has jack shit.



[Edited on February 5, 2006 at 7:11 PM. Reason : ]

2/5/2006 7:11:01 PM

there's a large concentration of homosexuals on the west coast, hence the active unc alumni association

2/5/2006 7:47:32 PM

^^ You've not answered the obvious question.

Why should we care what Washington thinks of us? Do you think we wake up every day and say "Damn, I wish those northwesterners thought NC State was worth something"? I'm not a fan of NC State sports because they're awesome or win every game every year. I'm a fan because it's where I went to school and because I, like you, have red blood coarsing through my veins. I don't give a s*** what some people in Washington State who never attended an ACC game in their life and never will, thinks about our rivalry. I know our rivalries, and so do our opponents. Is Duke higher on Carolina's rivalry list right now than us. Yes, but only in basketball cause they're both good recently while we're not. Carolina has a bigger rivalry with us in football than Duke. It has nothing to deal with some school's alumni. I know a lot of Duke fans but very, very few Duke alumni. People there can give their comments regarding the Pac 10 and Gonzaga in the West Coast Conference. Do the Zags care what NC State fans think of them? Do Huskies or Cougars? I guess no.

We point blank don't care what people there think, the majority of Carolina fans probably don't care, and Duke fans don't care, and from the looks of the crowd in the Super Bowl in Detroit tonight, the majority of the country thinks the same. The state of Washington can secede with Oregon and British Colombia from Canada to form Cascadia for all I care.

http://zapatopi.net/cascadia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia
http://www.columbiana.org/cascadia_institute.htm
http://cascadia.times.org
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/region/cascadia
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us%7Dcasc.html

And why does Duke suck at football if they have all this money from what another person said? How does that fit your theory?

[Edited on February 5, 2006 at 9:38 PM. Reason : .]

2/5/2006 9:18:08 PM

Quote :

"Most UNC students really don't care about State and most are amused that NCSU students think there is a rivalry. Just ask them."

thats pretty much what i was gonna say as well.

2/5/2006 9:51:35 PM

isn't there a stat somewhere that says our rivalry is older than theirs, or is that a myth?

2/5/2006 10:09:56 PM

Quote :

"The stupidity in this thread is amazing"

Come on. UNC/Duke is just a rivalry in basketball. Duke DOES NOT HAVE RIVALS IN FOOTBALL. THEY SUCK ASS. UNC/NCSU is a rivalry in EVERY sport. Hence the fight before the football game this year. Bunting talks shit about NCSU, Roy Williams talks shit about NCSU. Hell even our baseball teams hate each other. Another sport that Duke SUCKS ASS at.

Hell most Duke alum are from New Jersey or Asian anyway. I mean at least most UNC/NCSU alums are from this state.

2/5/2006 10:27:02 PM

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"at least most UNC/NCSU alums are from this state"

^ or india.



[Edited on February 6, 2006 at 1:45 AM. Reason : ]

2/6/2006 1:44:27 AM

I just don't get why you think Duke will suddenly fall apart when K leaves. I mean Dawkins is sitting there, with a K pedigree, waiting to take over. I also think that you can't bring other sports in to play, no one in chapel hill cares about football, or baseball. Hell, they like Soccer better. Basketball is the triangle's sport. Rivalries are built and maintained on the hardwood, I'm sorry, we are not schools like Ohio State and Michigan, we just don't have the national powerhouse football programs like we have in basketball, between us we have what, 10 basketball national championships? That means we win like 1/8th of the time. Basketball is the sport people around here care about when it comes to bragging rights, if we would win in football but get swept in basketball, we lose, plain and simple. Football is honestly a sport to get us by til ACC basketball, one of the eight wonders of the world. I love football, but it can't compete with basketball, thus rivalries come from that sport round here.

2/6/2006 1:52:25 AM

Quote :

"Most UNC students really don't care about State and most are amused that NCSU students think there is a rivalry. Just ask them."

they just say this to get to state people. also, see what they say about their coach if they lose three or four straight to ncsu. Their concern for that particular game will come out. Not saying that they care about it more than Duke (because they don't), but they certainly care about ncsu more than any other team than duke. And if duke were having an off year, they'd care more about the ncsu game.

2/6/2006 1:57:56 AM