PAGE 2 SAYS ARCHIE MILLER WOULD BE A BETTER COACH THAN HERB

3/4/2006 6:50:37 PM

thing is, if we fired a coach with 20+ wins, we'd be the laughingstock of college basketball.

we arent kentucky or unc or duke, and theyre seriously the only schools who could maybe get away with this right now.

just b/c we used to have some great teams nationally in the 70s and 80s (in the 60s and 50s, it was a regional game, noone gives 2 craps what happened then if you arent UCLA) doesnt mean we should consider ourselves in that company. remember the Sporting News issue that had the top programs of all time? they rated us in the upper teens, like 18th or so...id venture to say thats a good gauge of where the nation sees us.

when is his contract up? (herbs)

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3/4/2006 6:54:06 PM

bingo

3/4/2006 6:54:36 PM

I agree.. actually


We can't fire him, but that doesn't mean I think he's a good coach. He's not horrible or the worst we could do, but he is a pretty bad in-game coach.

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3/4/2006 6:55:54 PM

all of our coaches are

3/4/2006 6:57:54 PM

It's looking that way

3/4/2006 6:59:20 PM

I think we just need better recruits - better players

bigger players

strong players

better shooters

3/4/2006 7:10:29 PM

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"we arent kentucky or unc or duke, and theyre seriously the only schools who could maybe get away with this right now"

and we aren't these schools because....?

i think we are taking our time and working on having a great program 10 years from now. although that is great, we will see great talent unrealized due to poor coaching and the lack of willingness to change strategy. yes we had a decent season this year, but at best that's all we have been....decent. any program should strive to be #1 every year, not settle for 20th place (although it is pretty high).
i think we've seen the best of Herb. he'll get us to the tournament, but we won't get anywhere that matters. i know he got us to the sweet 16 last year, but that was last year.
if his performance doesn't get better THIS year, how can we be sure that he'll eventually get us that championship?
there's other great coaches out there and i think all NCSU fans are tired of disappointment. we are constantly being teased with potential greatness, only to fail in the end due to a few shortcomings.
while i believe firing herb may be a drastic move, it may be what we need to do to reach the next level. is it satisfactory that we keep losing easy games every year? our reputation isn't that great, and that is what gets us good recruiting, sponsorships, money, etc.

we can always do better. the other teams keep showing us that.

3/4/2006 7:11:05 PM

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"I think we just need better recruits - better players bigger players strong players better shooters "

i disagree, we see less talented teams run us over all the time

3/4/2006 7:12:34 PM

yes, and if we had all of these criteria, we wouldn't get run over all the time, now would we

3/4/2006 7:16:24 PM

you dumbass

our players are bigger, better, stronger, etc. than weaker opponents

but we still get beat

go back to posting cartoon porn in chit chat

you are out of your element

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3/4/2006 7:17:40 PM

and your posts are really insightful, as opposed to mine somehow

all you ever do is bitch about other people's posts in here

I don't see you genuinely contributing any kind of opinion that is even close to respectable

3/4/2006 7:19:19 PM

ha

ok

try reading this thread

3/4/2006 7:19:54 PM

every post you've made in this thread you've either been criticizing someone else's post

or you've been sarcastic by typing all caps

you're not proving to me that you know shit about what you're talking about by doing that

3/4/2006 7:21:01 PM

no

3/4/2006 7:22:41 PM

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"our players are bigger, better, stronger, etc. than weaker opponents but we still get beat"

you might be able to make a case out of all these

but better?

please try to explain how we're better than teams that beat us?

Wake Forest is horrible - and yet they beat us by, what, 13 points?

and somehow, since we got our asses kicked by playing shitty ball, you're trying to make the claim that NCSU is better, and has better players?

what the fuck ever - Herb does need to be fired, but we NEED better players if our ball club is ever going to get over that retarded hurdle we can't seem to jump

3/4/2006 7:25:28 PM

Herb's had top 25 recruiting classes 8 of his 10 years.


We just
1) Choose to recruit these slow, supposedly fundamental players
2) don't develop players
3) Don't utilize players properly

3/4/2006 7:35:59 PM

not to mention our good players have a knack for getting injured

3/4/2006 7:39:48 PM

Dammit if we get a Solid Center who wont wanna shoot 3 pointers all the time...and some Fwds that wont shoot 3 all the time...some Guys just for rebounding and defense i.e. centers and fwds...and actual guards that can dish and dribble....

When is the last time we had a "Center"??


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3/4/2006 7:40:24 PM

ced simmons.

3/4/2006 7:41:50 PM

Who? When?


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3/4/2006 7:43:40 PM

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"When is the last time we had a "Center"??"

that's what I'm saying

we don't have anyone that plays up to the potential of a classic center

simmons isn't tall enough, and he also (like you were also saying biggs) takes too many 3 pointers - a center should never take 3s unless the team is up by 20 or something, he should attack the basket and the inside

Brackman also takes too many 3s and plays too much perimeter to be considered that way

3/4/2006 7:45:40 PM

if i'm not mistaken, simmons is 2-2 from 3 pt range this season. in what way is that too many for 29 games?

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3/4/2006 7:48:34 PM

I think we on the same page. Every time I see one of our "centers" shoot from 20ft out and esp. 3 pointers...I get fucking pissed. They take more 3's than Dirk Nerv...whatever his name is from Dallis Mavericks...I just want a traditional big man that can bang the boards, not foul out, and give me 15-19 points a game...and a guard that can get him the ball...


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3/4/2006 7:48:56 PM

if he's really got 2-2, then that's fine

I guess I meant just taking outside shots that he doesn't always connect on

and Evtimov trying to take alot of outside shots

he was money at them last season - not so good this season, especially where it's been the difference between a win and a loss

3/4/2006 7:50:13 PM

If we can get an inside-out game consistantly....that would be nice


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3/4/2006 7:54:24 PM

Simmons is 2-2 shooting 3 pointers.... so you keep a 6'11" guy outside the arc? Is that supposed to mean he's a scoring threat from there?

He should not be going out above the arc during the game much, if ever.

3/4/2006 7:54:58 PM

i didn't say he was an effective center, just that he wasn't attempting a lot of bad 3 pt shots. i agree that he should be in the paint way more. and should power to the basket more.

3/4/2006 7:57:16 PM

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"we'd be the laughingstock of college basketball. "

We are the laughing stock of college basketball...cbs said "herb is one of the most passive coaches in the acc", we just lost to the team holding down the basement of the acc. and archie miller would make a better coach than herb, rick barns doesnt just like acc he likes nc he's from hickory, rick mageris? he hasn died of heart failure yet..., i like the nate mcmillian suggestion, calipari?

3/4/2006 11:11:46 PM

bruce pearl = ncaa investigation

3/4/2006 11:23:22 PM

How about a true point guard?

3/4/2006 11:31:25 PM

wtf do you think bethel is

just because he isn't the best PG in america doesn't mean he isn't a "true" PG

3/4/2006 11:32:20 PM

I prefer someone who has more assists that he has turnovers!

3/4/2006 11:35:45 PM

We do not currently have an opening for basketball coach

so this thread is useless

3/4/2006 11:38:24 PM

Someone call Wendell Murphy and ask him to get us a new basketball coach!

3/4/2006 11:39:30 PM

lets do something that might actually be useful, and talk about a fball coach

3/4/2006 11:43:31 PM

get someone in here. Herb sendek cannot coach an inside game.

3/5/2006 1:56:22 AM

Mark Few = Skip Prosser

3/5/2006 8:01:49 AM

what about Mike Montgomery? I heard he's thinking about coming back to college basketball.

3/5/2006 9:11:05 AM

we should give burleson a shot... we already know that he'll rip the ref's heads off..

and yes we need a stronger center.. wasn't it Digger that said "to win a national title you need to go inside"

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3/5/2006 9:16:41 AM

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"bruce pearl = ncaa investigation"

lets not over-exaggerate here

3/5/2006 11:31:47 AM

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"Mark Few = Skip Prosser"

you are a fucking moron

3/5/2006 12:41:39 PM

Not even NC State could beat St Louis, St Mary's, and San Francisco by a combined 7 points.

What powerhouses of basketball!

3/5/2006 12:48:53 PM

'or michigan state or keep it close as hell to 3 top 5 teams in the nation with 1 one star player

you fucking troll


wow they beat the teams they are supposed to, wouldnt that be nice



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[Edited on March 5, 2006 at 12:53 PM. Reason : you are probably right, we'd lose one or 2 of them because herb's team play down to their opponents]

3/5/2006 12:51:34 PM

I bet they'll be awesome when that star player is gone due to the excellent coaching they receive!

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"wow they beat the teams they are supposed to"

Eastern Washington, St Louis, St Mary's, Santa Clara, Pepperdine, Loyola Marymnt, San Diego, Portland, etc.

They beat Michigan State and Maryland this year though!

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3/5/2006 12:58:13 PM

they were fine when morrison wasnt there

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3/5/2006 12:59:43 PM

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"and yes we need a stronger center.. wasn't it Digger that said "to win a national title you need to go inside" "

If we don't have an inside game, we don't have shit ~ Gary Williams

3/5/2006 1:00:35 PM

we could have shaquille fucking oneal and herb would have him in the high post with the ball every fucking time

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3/5/2006 1:02:00 PM

I find it funny the "It's not Herb's fault the players can't hit shots!" argument.


Roy didn't have that problem last night, did he?
If we can't hit shots, wouldn't it make sense to take the ball inside to Simmons? Noooo....

3/5/2006 1:04:07 PM

^except the way we play the post is fucking childish. it's ced versus 3 guys. We never set any screens for him down low or run cutters toward the basket once he is getting smothered with the ball. We also cant setup entry passes to him for shit.

In summary, it's coaching, stupid!

[Edited on March 5, 2006 at 1:26 PM. Reason : sdfsdf]

3/5/2006 1:25:56 PM