can I create an Alias to take the bet?

3/13/2006 3:35:04 PM

Or is it they talk a big game but are really faking it hoping, praying, crying that things change. Only Josh on here so far is the only supporter that jumped in on the bet.

And Truly if you think this is based on one game...then you must have missed the rest of this mans career...thus...the situation we have here...people that don't support and those that do...


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3/13/2006 3:35:46 PM

look, all i'm saying is that even if we lose that game, i still think herb is the man for the job. we're in a shooting slump right now, and unless we break out of it before friday, we will lose that game.

doesn't change the way i feel about herb. i'll agree to get suspended for a month if we lose that game or something, but i will not join the fire herb crowd in the forseeable future

3/13/2006 3:37:51 PM

DUDE

WE'RE IN A SHOOTING SLUMP EVERY FRIGGEN SEASON

AT THE WORST FRIGGEN TIMES

JESUS CHRIST

3/13/2006 3:38:32 PM

Well the bet that is in effect is not the supsend/lose alias...but rather to stop the hating of Herbie (for those of us that want him gone) v. Join in with wanting Herbie outta here (for those that support him now).

I for one, will take off my "FH" from my sig and endorse Herbie for the remainder of his career at NCSU If we make it to the Sweet 16.


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3/13/2006 3:38:44 PM

You call this a shooting slump? What did you call it the other seasons?


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3/13/2006 3:39:56 PM

My complaint is our "shooting slumps" mean end of season for us....whereas other coaches can figure out YOU CANT KEEP JACKING UP BULLSHIT 3'S IF YOU ARENT SHOOTING WELL.


I scream "take it to the rim, Herb" every game. We never do. When we were down by about 40 to Wake Forest... Bennerman and Grant had enough of the Princeton shit, started going gung-ho for the rim, and whatta ya know... it actually worked (albeit 35 minutes too late)

Our offense works on the assumption we can shoot 50% from 3 point land...nothing more.

We'll beat the Detroit Pistons one night and lose to Gardner-Webb the next becuase we have an "off night". I'm sick of it

[Edited on March 13, 2006 at 3:43 PM. Reason : ]

3/13/2006 3:42:23 PM

^i don't know that seemed to work for redick

and they aren't bullshit 3's. most of them are wide open 3's that don't fall.

[Edited on March 13, 2006 at 3:45 PM. Reason : ]

3/13/2006 3:44:27 PM

fuck yes I will stop posting anti-herb shit if we go sweet sixteen.

as long as there is a repercussion on josh if we lose against Cal.

[Edited on March 13, 2006 at 3:49 PM. Reason : fd]

3/13/2006 3:48:17 PM

fire herb

I hardly ever talk shit about ncsu sports, in fact I usually try to get peolpe not to give up and still support the team. I even think Herb has done an ok job; I"m not even sure if I want him to get fired or not.

But if you think we're going to the sweet 16 you ARE FUCKING CRAZY. I'll be fuckin surprised if we make it out of the 1st round.

With all this said, I will still be rooting my fing ass off for the pack

3/13/2006 3:48:22 PM

I can't fully comment on the 3's taking this season, but if they follow suit over the past few seasons, those 3's are BS. My Center and PF should not be taking aim at a 3 unless time clock is low. Just b/c a 3 is open does not mean it should be taken...thus...Bullshit 3's


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3/13/2006 3:48:32 PM

actually

when youre team is full of shooters

and they have an open 3

they should take it

unless they have an uncontested run to the rim

3/13/2006 3:49:52 PM

Don't get me wrong, I will be cheering for my team and yelling, screaming for the win...But damn...I hope this "shooting slump" turns around and that this Princeton Offense begins to take the proper effect.

And if Herb can shut me up and pull it together for Sweet 16, then Hell I guess I was wrong about him for the past few seasons...


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3/13/2006 3:51:45 PM

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"when youre team is full of shooters"

Yeah, be nice if we had some rebounders and scorers though wouldn't it...


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3/13/2006 3:53:41 PM

I about posted the exact same thing

3/13/2006 3:59:50 PM

I am the only one who took the bet that we won't get to the sweet 16, and I'm not even one of the herb-haters......where are you guys? stand by your principles

3/13/2006 4:11:28 PM

I was going to come up with something similar, albeit I wasn't going to be as extreme as to warrant a suspension.

If we make the sweet 16, all the Herb hate should stop for the rest of the season. You can still post about the team all you want, but leave Herb alone.

I'm not going to say anything should we not make it out of the first round. I still support Herb. But I guess if you want to make a "bet" out of it, should we not beat California in the 1st Rd, I won't post anything supportive of Herb (I won't post anything about Herb at all, but you get the point).

Anybody wanna take my bet if Josh's is too extreme?

3/13/2006 4:16:07 PM

^^

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"fuck yes I will stop posting anti-herb shit if we go sweet sixteen."

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3/13/2006 4:26:37 PM

Elite 8 and I'll chill till his next meltdown.

3/13/2006 4:27:42 PM

Meltdown pay scale:

Elite 8 and I'll give him a free meltdown. Final Four gets him 3 free meltdowns. Championship game gets him 4-6 free meltdowns, depending on how well we play. Winning it all gets him 5 years without even the slightest mumbling of a bitching from me.

3/13/2006 4:39:39 PM

It's not about Sweet 16's and Elite 8's.


It's about rebounding, holding leads, not playing like you have a string hanging between your legs, and doing something besides shooting bullshit 3 pointers all the time.


We can get lucky and shoot 50% from 3 land, make an Elite 8, and still suck ass at all of the above the next year.

I don't care how far we go in the damn tournament. We're never going to be a decently consistent team if we can't rebound and score 2 pointers.

3/13/2006 4:48:12 PM

I guess I just kinda figured if we were going to sweet 16's or elite 8's it meant we'd started to do some of those things. We ain't going anywhere with the "gameplan" we've been running so far over the last 3-5 years.

3/13/2006 4:50:43 PM

There is some basketball philosophies behind the madness..

I do believe Herb when he says that our offense is significantly based on the opposing defense. Most college teams play zone. Zone defense allows you to be able to collapse into the post quickly, and, to be honest, it helps mask a player's individual defense.

How do you break a zone? Good shooting. It forces the defense to extend and allows for more post and slashing opportunities. When you can't shoot, it only allows the defense to clog up the middle even more, since they're practically daring you to make a shot, and won't necessarily guard you till you prove otherwise. You also have to realize that because of the college 3 line being shorter than the NBA line, it allows the defense to clog up the lane even more than they ought. While watching the Big East tourney, I was surprised at how much the zone opened up just because the NBA line was there.

So what's our offense about? Being able to break a zone defense. We have shooters on the floor so we can make other teams pay for it. We utilize backcuts just in case the defense gets lazy on off-ball defense. If the 3 ball gets pressured, we pound the paint (i.e. Duke game). Weaknesses? Yeah, there are some. We can't rebound for crap. It's painfully obvious. But don't go off on a spiel that we're throwing up crap 3's. For the most part, they are open shots and they are good shots. If you can't make them, you can't expect the offense to change when the defense knows you can't shoot and are more than ready to clog the lane if you try something different.

3/13/2006 5:03:03 PM

even i would make this deal.

3/13/2006 5:14:34 PM

^ what's that mean?

3/13/2006 5:15:03 PM

^8

reading comprehension, he didn't say stop posting anti-herb shit, he said say "fire herb" in this thread, and if they make the 16 you will be suspended next time you post in sports talk

3/13/2006 5:18:09 PM

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"I am the only one who took the bet that we won't get to the sweet 16, and I'm not even one of the herb-haters......where are you guys? stand by your principles "

I was the first Anti-Herber to take the Bet (with a lil amendment). Not for suspension but to stop hating Herb and be more supportive of Herb. I think it is straight up deal.

This is the type of action and talk that makes TWW worth while. When people willing to put up and not just talk. I have more respect for those that support Herb and are willing to join in on this bet.


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3/13/2006 5:41:10 PM

HERB LOVERS, PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS

I WILL BET ANY TAKERS $200 THAT WE LOSE OUR OPENING GAME

3/13/2006 6:03:11 PM

I will give anyone slightly smaller action if they want to take it, i will go that high as well though


and as far as the amendment......that's not taking the bet dude, but it doesn't matter

3/13/2006 7:03:47 PM

I don't bet on State College athletics...

It tarnishes the love I possess for the red and white.


You wouldn't bet on your wife... (would you????)

[Edited on March 13, 2006 at 7:05 PM. Reason : asdf]

3/13/2006 7:05:06 PM

i used to call it "hedging my happiness"

if state loses, at least i made some $ off of it

3/13/2006 7:06:05 PM

^^bet on her to do what?

3/13/2006 7:08:43 PM

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"You wouldn't bet on your wife... (would you????)"

What am I betting on her for???

If it to whip some bitches ass, hell yeah, my GF (wife to be) wont lose. Video games, hell yeah...she a fanatic, anything about history, english, science...I would bet on her...Certain sports/games?? For sure...

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"and as far as the amendment......that's not taking the bet dude, but it doesn't matter"

??? You lost me...



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3/13/2006 11:00:15 PM

I'm sorry, but I aspire to be more than a sweet sixteen team every ten years.

3/14/2006 2:30:10 AM

then join the team and do something about it



[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 5:24 AM. Reason : -]

3/14/2006 5:12:17 AM

The few games I watched this year were no different than the ones I've watched in recent years. Whenever we are down by 5 points we start throwing up 3s like there are 20 seconds left in the game. I mean we take a 3 every trip down the court. We'll pass the ball around until there are 7 seconds left on the shot clock, start to panic, then toss up a 3. There isn't a single pack jersey in the paint the entire time and most of our guys are positioned outside the perimeter at the time of the shot - then we wonder why no one can come down with the rebound.

I am short changing us. I was floored that I actually saw some drives to the basket this season. It would be nice to see us do it more often, maybe draw some fouls to get the opponent in foul trouble. Bah, I'm no coach, I just know mediocre when I see it.

All that said, if we lose Herb we'd probably be worse off. I think I've just been hard on him because I desperately want to see us do well after we went from contender to national joke in the 90s. I guess I'm more frustrated because of how long it is taking. UNC slumps in one of their seasons but they seem to get back on top - all that in less than 20 years.

3/14/2006 8:36:13 AM

I can’t say I’m happy with this basketball team, but there is no doubt in my mind that Herb is being treated unfairly. It doesn’t matter how far in the tournament we go; we could win the national championship and some of you would start the fire Herb threads after our first loss the next year.

California is a good basketball team and Leon Powe is going to absolutely dominate us, but we could win. Nobody realizes the conflicts that are being caused when a fan base lashes out against a coach during a season. We could go far in this tournament, but nothing in sports is guaranteed.

Everyone hates Herb Sendek’s offense, but it can be quite effective in tournament settings. You don’t see people ripping coach Beilein from WV with his similar offense that put up 111 against Wake Forest in the tournament last year.

We might very well lose to California on Friday and I’m going to be pissed. However, it won’t all be Sendek’s fault…in fact you could easily blame the L on the Herb haters. You don’t think this crap hurts our team, this negativity??

3/14/2006 9:17:53 AM

So NCSU is the only team in the country (College & Pro) that puts pressure and talks about their coach? And lets be real...some of us (I know me in particular) been pushing to have Herbert gone for quite a while. Evidently it does not bother him during the regular season when the team wins. Evidently it did not bother him a few years ago when we went deep in the tourny. But now, when public demands something better than mediocreness (sp?) you claim:

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"in fact you could easily blame the L on the Herb haters. You don’t think this crap hurts our team, this negativity??"

I hope that our coach and athletes are stronger than some weak minded fools. As a former college athlete, you gotta be tougher than wet paper skinned critics. People are going to talk, and state their feelings. If you can't take it, then its probably time to leave your position and team.

Damn if herblow is so easily distracted and offended, then I really really want and need him to leave...


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3/14/2006 9:34:20 AM

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"then join the team and do something about it "

thats fuckin stupid

3/14/2006 9:42:21 AM

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"You don’t see people ripping coach Beilein from WV with his similar offense "

Belein's teams are much more consistent and flexible than ours.


I don't know about his rebounding, but I'd be willing to bet my life that it's a lot better than ours, too.

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"I can’t say I’m happy with this basketball team, but there is no doubt in my mind that Herb is being treated unfairly. "

How do you figure? It's been 10 years. He's the longest tenured coach in the ACC aside from Gary and K, both of which have won at least 1 National Championship.

I (We) realize Herb has done good things for this program, but at some point you've got to stop comparing him to Les Robinson and look towards the future. He's had more than enough time to build a program and win big.... yet it's the same stupid mistakes that stop him year after year.

I don't think it's unfair to criticize him for having 1 sweet-16 in 10 years........ that's the nature of the beast around here and he knew exactly what would be expected of him when he came to the ACC. It's not too much to ask for an ACC championship or a deep tournament run in a decade....and all I'm asking for is a fucking rebound and a 2 point shot every now and then

3/14/2006 9:53:30 AM

I am not trying to say that we "suck" or even that herb does. But just look at our competition. California is really good and could def beat us in the first round. If we DO beat cali we then face Texas. if by some MIRACLE we beat texas we get to play either WV or Iowa and if by the grace of god we win, we are faced with Duke. its just not gonna happen, plain and simple.

BRING ON BASEBALL SEASON

3/14/2006 10:45:23 AM

females with rational thought



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3/14/2006 10:48:16 AM

^^ STFU DUCHESS.

YOU RUINED BRACKMAN.

GO PACK!

YOU CAN DO IT BABY!!!!!

3/14/2006 10:49:17 AM

^^^ can I ask you a serious question....and I swear to God this is a serious question


Has Andrew given up on basketball? It really seemed that aside from a few games earlier in the season, his focus hasn't all been there. I'm sure you guys have talked about it. I need to know for piece of mind. I don't want to believe that he would half-ass it for the basketball team just because he cares more about baseball, but that's honestly the way it seemed out there.

thanks

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 10:51 AM. Reason : ,]

3/14/2006 10:50:53 AM

and i have a serious question for you:

Do you really think I'm allowed to answer that? Esp on a college message board? but what would you do if you were him?

He doesn't half-ass anything. Look at the whole team, ALOT of our players are never consistently on their game. Maybe his heart's not in basketball... but it doesnt mean he doesnt give it his all while he's out there.

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3/14/2006 10:53:24 AM

yea for real you cant be askin shit like that


you could be a bookie, and you probably are

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3/14/2006 10:54:53 AM

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"I don't want to believe that he would half-ass it for the basketball team just because he cares more about baseball, but that's honestly the way it seemed out there."

That's bullshit. He's giving 100% just like everyone else out there. Sometimes 100% isn't enough.

3/14/2006 10:55:54 AM

if I were Andrew, I would honor my committment to the basketball team. he knows that the Majors are where his future is at, but at the same time he did come to NC State to be a 2-sport athlete.

he could have gone in the MLB draft straight out of Moeller, but he chose to play basketball

i just want him to live up to his potential while he's on the court

remind him that Kenny Lofton was a successful hard working basketball player at Arizona before taking on baseball full-time

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 10:59 AM. Reason : ,]

3/14/2006 10:57:46 AM

I appreciate B-Rack for all that he has done....

but its painfully apparent that he doesnt give basketball his all anymore.

3/14/2006 10:59:15 AM

he has honored his commitment. he gives his all when he's been out there.

^yes he does. MAYBE, JUST MAYBE he's not the next michael jordan like some of you anticipated him to be at the start of the season!!

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 11:00 AM. Reason : .]

3/14/2006 10:59:40 AM