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^^yeah cause all the threads about herb are worthy

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 4:11 PM. Reason : edit]

3/14/2006 4:11:07 PM

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"where is the other place that Barnes coached and took them to the top 10?"

He had Clemson at #1 at one point, I believe

What he did at Clemson was definitely incredible.

3/14/2006 4:12:00 PM

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"clemson has always been a half decent program until now, of course there are years with exceptions when herb got here, there was literally nothing good going on in the program"

When Barnes got to Clemson he didn't have a single player taller than 6'6", they were predicted last in the ACC, and the Greenville newspapers said they could possibly be the worst team in ACC history.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 4:15 PM. Reason : ]

3/14/2006 4:13:41 PM

thats right, Providence

i am not trying to say that Barnes' job at Clemson was not good; it was outstanding

but i would say that if he came here we would experience similar success as with Herb and like others have said he has underperformed at Texas based on the expectations of people on this board

he has made some sweet 16's and a final four; ive read numerous times that herb has to win a national title or have a "magical run" for him to be successful

3/14/2006 4:16:40 PM

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"if you want a chance to win the tournament every year, become a Duke or UConn fan, cause those are the only programs that have a chance"

But they are not the only schools who go into every season that declare a championship their goal every year. I'm not saying Final Four every year or bust. I'm saying let's see the program take aim at being a contender.

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"or maybe you dont think MAKING the tournament is a prereq of winning it in the first place"

This is the dumbest thing I've ever read on TWW. Ever.

I was simply responding to your well thought out all-caps argument of "THE GOAL OF A BASKETBALL SEASON IS TO MAKE THE NCAA TOURNAMENT" by stating that there are some schools out there(more than just UConn, Duke, Carolina, and Creighton) that state at the beginning of their season that their goal is a championship, not a ribbon that proudly reads "participant."

3/14/2006 4:17:49 PM

everybody's goal is a championship

with some teams its a lot more realistic (ie UConn, Duke)

but right now...on march 14, 2006...the 64/65 play-in game is tonight

you want to be in the ncaa tourney

thats where we are

we have the same opportunity to win 6 straight games as the other 63 teams (after play-in game)

you wanna bitch about our 10 seed? ok we'd all like to get a better seed

but a high seed doesnt guarantee shit

right now, we are in a better position than the 200 and some odd teams that didnt make the ncaa tourney

once you get into the tourney, anything is possible

in case you didnt notice, our season is not over yet

3/14/2006 4:24:29 PM

It guarantees that the team that sports it probably didn't get blown out of their conference tournament by the last placed seed. Just sayin...

3/14/2006 4:26:05 PM

Our previous two titles actually came from two of the hardest routes any team has ever had to play on the way through.

In '74, though, we did at least have home-court advantage.

[Edited on March 14, 2006 at 4:26 PM. Reason : ]

3/14/2006 4:26:08 PM

i think we were an #8 seed when we won in 83

and i dont care if you like or dislike herb

he had a point when he said that a team can finish the regular season / conference tourney strong but that doesnt guarantee you get out of the first round of the ncaa's

you guys act like since we've lost 4 straight its impossible to win again this year

momentum is overrated...its all about getting your guys fired up one game at a time for 6 games in march and april

all it takes is a few good 3 point shooting nights and BAM, we're a couple rounds deep

3/14/2006 4:29:04 PM

First off, no coach is going to have a .500 record against Duke or UNC over a 5 year span, period, unless some phenomenon happens, most knowledgeable fans no this (now I know K has owned UNC lately, I'm excluding K and Roy head to head). That said, what was Barnes record against Duke? What's our record against Duke over the last nine seasons? K was out for a season in the Barnes era, but that doesn't hold water if you think Sendek's wins' over UNC do hold water. Why, because they were 8-20, the 97 win was the only thing to boast about, oh and beating a team starting three freshman is great too I guess. Guess what Barnes, along with nearly every other coach in the league, would have swept them too. Barnes had zero talent at Clemson when he got there, UNC had 4 NBA all stars, and others who are on active rosters. Hell, in the 03-04 season, EVERY coach in the ACC beat UNC except one, guess who? But Barnes ain't going anywhere. Take a pay cut to have a for sure 2, likely 3, and sometimes 4 L's already chalked up before the season even starts from only two teams? And our fans display in public towards our coach, ouch, it's ok to voice displeasure but not like we do. I'd stay at the most athletically dominant school in div. 1 too if I were Barnes.

3/14/2006 4:30:37 PM

NC State can make the elite 8 this year. Beat Cal, beat a streaky Texas team, and then get Iowa or WVU in the sweet 16, either way i would say we have more talent than both of those teams

if we played duke in the elite 8 we definitely have a chance but duke, if they get that far, will be extremely focused under coach k of getting to the final four and winning it all and they would be a very tough out but we should have beat them at cameron so it is doable

3/14/2006 4:31:35 PM

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"Especially if you remove the fact that Sendek scored 80% of his UNC wins against Doherty)"

nice choice of statistics there

3/14/2006 4:31:48 PM

you can do anything with statistics

like point out that Rick Barnes is 0.091% against UNC

3/14/2006 4:32:44 PM

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"all it takes is a few good 3 point shooting nights and BAM, we're a couple rounds deep"

One bad 3 point shooting night and BAM, we're out of the tournament.


Isn't it great to have a one-dimensional offense!

3/14/2006 4:36:13 PM

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"its all about getting your guys fired up one game at a time for 6 games in march and april"

Yep. No one gets the boys fired up like Herb "Doctor Intensity" Sendek.

3/14/2006 4:42:02 PM

I'm not sure if people relaize this, but the cinderella stories (higher than 8 seeds) of winning it all are done. Expanding the field to 64 did that. Sweet 16 cinderellas are still fun, but are not that serious of a deal if you ask me.

3/14/2006 4:49:44 PM

yeah you're right, because in 1983 there weren't 64 teams in the tournament

3/14/2006 5:14:38 PM

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"i think we were an #8 seed when we won in 83"

We were a 6 seed that year.

Nova was an 8 when they won it ('85, wasn't it?); that's the lowest seed to ever win.

3/14/2006 5:19:24 PM

THIS WILL ALL BE SETTLED

WHEN SENDEK AND BARNES

MEET IN A BATTLE TO THE DEATH

OK

3/14/2006 5:46:30 PM

^Most awkward streetfight ever.

3/14/2006 5:47:06 PM

HERB'S A CAGE FIGHTER!

3/14/2006 5:49:05 PM

My mistake.

Most awkward streetfightCAGE FIGHT ever.

3/14/2006 5:50:10 PM

1-10 vs UNC, eh

4/4/2006 10:25:25 AM

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"also Coach K beat Barnes THIS YEAR by 31 points"

I've heard this one many times and the best argument against it is Duke ALWAYS comes out ready to play to begin the season.

4/4/2006 10:28:50 AM

It doesnt really matter to me who they get at this point... just as long as we secure our recruits and play something other than the modified P... Its going to be weird without Herb on the sideline

4/4/2006 10:29:25 AM

NO sane person can argue that Barnes isn't a superior coach to Herb. No one.

4/4/2006 10:46:23 AM

herb? who's that? its not our coach...neither is barnes

4/4/2006 10:46:48 AM

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"Record vs. UNC as Clemson head coach"

enough said.

4/4/2006 10:50:01 AM

yeah cause texas has traditionally been a basketball powerhouse

4/4/2006 10:50:52 AM

Texas definitely isn't an historical basketball powerhouse...makes Barnes' accomplishments there all the more impressive.

4/4/2006 10:53:49 AM

well to play devil's advocate to my first post and the point of this thread, Barnes also had Clemson ranked in the top 5...not too shabby either...and Clemson is a much worse program than Texas...not just now...always...I bet you a million dollars Texas has won at least one game at every Big 12 school's home court...unlike Clemson

4/4/2006 10:55:15 AM

BARNES HATERS

4/4/2006 10:56:53 AM

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"yeah you're right, because in 1983 there weren't 64 teams in the tournament "

There weren't dumbass, they started taking 64 teams in 1985. You people are idiots here, I can't believe the stupidity you all throw out defending Herb. Yes, he did great things for our program but the program reached the best he was going to do. Time to move on and get even better.

4/4/2006 11:15:11 AM

^ i concur

4/4/2006 12:28:08 PM

I think the argument for 5 straight ncaa appearances is really stupid. I mean if you have a decent named school as we do, You are going to get a better look. I mean honestly, we really had maybe 1 or 2 good wins all year. We actually beat no one in the tournement higher than a 7 seed (Cal and Alabama). If you win 20 games and win one game in the ACC tourney, then you are going to get in the dance. Its not that hard.

4/4/2006 12:42:19 PM

^ for the record, we also beat George Washington and BC, both higher than 7 seeds.

4/4/2006 12:44:28 PM

oops forgot about BC...but we beat BC when they were in a major slump and G.W. was an 8 seed

4/4/2006 12:45:25 PM

was GW an 8 seed? My bad.

4/4/2006 12:47:13 PM

anybody know or care to figure out which coaches in the last 20 years have had the best records against UNC and/or Duke?

4/4/2006 12:58:17 PM

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"So we lost by 12 at Cameron. They lost by 31 at a neutral site? "

are we impliing that we would have beat Texas...oh wait

4/4/2006 1:00:24 PM

FIRE BARNES!

somebody get the web address ready!

I'm wearing Black to the Red/White game to show my displeasure!

4/4/2006 1:01:56 PM

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"impliing"

4/4/2006 1:03:28 PM

two of the teams that have NOT made 5 straight ncaa tournament appearances as of this past season are UNC and Maryland...I would definitely take missing the tourney one of those years if it means a national championship like they got

4/4/2006 2:22:32 PM

didn't a couple of Texas' players sit out of the Duke game with injuries? Aldridge? Paulino? Gibson?

4/4/2006 5:24:29 PM

no

4/4/2006 5:30:53 PM

if yall get barnes, you'll get an excellent recruiter (although he's helped a lot being in texas) and a marginal bench coach. he's aided by his weak conference and shouldn't be looked at as the savior

4/4/2006 5:33:55 PM

Buckman sat out most of the Duke game for some reason

4/4/2006 5:34:31 PM

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"if yall get barnes, you'll get an excellent recruiter (although he's helped a lot being in texas) and a marginal bench coach. he's aided by his weak conference and shouldn't be looked at as the savior"

i agree...they are a weaker conference

4/4/2006 5:42:00 PM

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"if yall get barnes, you'll get an excellent recruiter (although he's helped a lot being in texas) and a marginal bench coach. he's aided by his weak conference and shouldn't be looked at as the savior"

so, you're saying that we'll get what we already had and lost...

4/4/2006 6:12:52 PM

Fuck Rick Barnes, give me Tubby!!

4/4/2006 6:15:08 PM