^^Please explain, quagmire02. You took four words from a post of mine, and I'm confused now.

[Edited on March 16, 2006 at 10:55 AM. Reason : sss]

3/16/2006 10:50:03 AM

Pretty sure he was saying there is no way the girl wrote/thought this up herself, hence the reference "Out of the Mouth of Babes" (colloquial expression about the things kids say) followed by the ever useful contradiction, "my ass". Not necessarily affirming or denying your points specifically, just quoted the most recent instance of the point he wanted to make.

3/16/2006 10:59:00 AM

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"Gamecat: I find it fascinating when people pretend they have a right not to be offended by artwork. I also find it fascinating when a Libertarian effectively advocates censorship."

I think some people are not pretending when they think they have a right not to be offended. Hey I'm all for the gov't allowing people to create offensive art. But I'm also for people having the right to control their own, and their children's, personal exposure to other people's art. This was an offical gov't school event, the children were forced to sit there and listen. Just as Autum's father thinks he has the right to fill her head with his thoughts, those attending children's parents had the right to control what went into the heads of their kids. That's my main beef with this deal.

The excuse that the school didn't know what was coming when they brought Autum in stinks to high heaven. The child had performed in numerous public events, some televised. She was brought in by a city politician/teacher. I think the school knew exactly what she was going to do.

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""What specifically is wrong with or offensive about the "Black Child's Pledge" she led the students in reciting?""

The Black child's pledge itself doesn't mean much to me because I'm not a Black child. I think where the school went wrong was allowing a situation to occur where Black kids were invited to stand up and recite the pledge, while white kids were purposely excluded. I thought schools were trying to boost every childs self-esteem?

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"To recognize Black History month. I know that's your issue to begin with."

You "know"? ...You still need to tweak those pyschic powers a bit. Black History or its month..no problem here. I am comparatively older than most here. So I have been reminded many, many times through the years about the wrongs white people have perpetrated upon the Black race--despite the fact that all of my ancestors were in Norway at the time. True, this could've been the first scolding of their ancestors racial malevolence for these children-what you call "perspective". It's just that I know these poor kids are in for plenty more during their lifetimes.

Autum may be an intelligent little girl, but she's going to find out that her constant drumbeat of racial inequities is going to hit the majority of people less and less as "perspective and understanding" and more and more as victimology.

3/16/2006 11:09:22 AM

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"White nationalism is what put you in bondage Pirates and vampires like Columbus, Morgan, and Darwin They drank the blood of the sheep, trampled all over them with Steel laden feet, throw in the tricks alcohol and deceit. Nothing has changed take a look at our streets. "

Gamecat: this isn't just about "past injustices." this is suggesting that "white nationalism" is currently bringing the black person down. this is a great message to send to our schools. white kids should be ashamed!

3/16/2006 12:51:30 PM

It really is true. Kids DO say the darnedest things.

3/16/2006 1:00:09 PM

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"All they do is just steal, rob and murder...that's the only thing they were raised to do."

This sounds more like inner city blacks to me... but eh, whateeeeeever.

OMG I'M SO RACIST

3/16/2006 1:52:52 PM

i disagree with this kid as much as i disagree with prussian blue...both sets of twistedly confused children are growing up in what is obviously a blatantly racist home environment

3/16/2006 3:27:11 PM

^

3/16/2006 3:40:45 PM

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"The school is claiming they didn't know she was gonna do this. They are also maintaining that they would have allowed something like this to happen had there been time provided for discussion and feedback."

Unless the administration is truely stupid (which I supppose seems likely) they're lying. Anyone that I know of that's every given a speech at school has not only had to submit the speech for aproval ahead of time but also would have been pulled off the stage long before this speech was completed.

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" If a white girl her age could express herself that well at 7 years-old and write a poem that moving about past injustices against whites (if she could find them), yes. I'd be just as likely to use the same label. "

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" If the KKK could write a poem or two about some past injustices against them perpetrated by black people that went unpunished because they were sanctioned by the government, I'm sure the school would be more than willing to hear it. As it stands, I sincerely doubt such a poem could be written. "

Why does it have to be about past injustices? Where is it written that "art" need be truthful? I thought freedom of speech extended to all parties did it not? So long as they aren't advocating violence, what does it matter whether it's about past injustices? If the little hitler youths wanted to give their poems and were as well versed in the english language (or even if they weren't) what's wrong with them having their chance to display their talents?

3/16/2006 4:39:01 PM

the issue here isn't freedom of speech, it's that multiple schools invited her to come recite racist poetry. she's definitely free to do that, but no school should endorse it by inviting her to recite it.

3/16/2006 6:20:20 PM

What was racist about her poetry?

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"1337 b4k4: Why does it have to be about past injustices? Where is it written that "art" need be truthful? I thought freedom of speech extended to all parties did it not? So long as they aren't advocating violence, what does it matter whether it's about past injustices? If the little hitler youths wanted to give their poems and were as well versed in the english language (or even if they weren't) what's wrong with them having their chance to display their talents?"

It doesn't have to be about past injustices. I'm just trying to keep an apples to apples comparison here for logic's sake.

[Edited on March 16, 2006 at 6:23 PM. Reason : ...]

3/16/2006 6:21:08 PM

why don't we start with the title: "White Nationalism Put U In Bondage"

3/16/2006 6:22:12 PM

What's racist about that? Or better yet...

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"What's factually incorrect in her poems? Did white nationalism not put Africans in bondage?"

Sounds more like a point of fact to me.

And btw, saying something like "per capita, black people tend to be poorer than white people" doesn't make you a racist, either.

[Edited on March 16, 2006 at 6:27 PM. Reason : ...]

3/16/2006 6:23:39 PM

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"White nationalism is what put you in bondage Pirates and vampires like Columbus, Morgan, and Darwin They drank the blood of the sheep, trampled all over them with Steel laden feet, throw in the tricks alcohol and deceit. Nothing has changed take a look at our streets."

i don't understand what's confusing you, Gamecat...from the first line "white nationalism is what put you in bondage" to the last "nothing has changed take a look at our streets", the little racist is implying that white people are the blame for...what? the FACT that black people ARE statistically poorer and end up in prison more often than white people? all this little brat is saying (or her parents are telling her to say) is that white people are to blame for any predicament (be it financial, legal, whatever) that a black person is in

this is JUST as racist as prussian blue, and me calling her (them) out on it does not make ME a racist

3/16/2006 6:35:21 PM

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"Did white nationalism not put Africans in bondage?"

her poem suggests that this is CURRENTLY happening.

you can go ahead and twist it whatever way you like, there's obviously no way to make you see a reasonable point of view.

[Edited on March 16, 2006 at 6:41 PM. Reason : re: gamecat]

3/16/2006 6:39:39 PM

I forgot that there were still people who believed the Emancipation Proclamation and Civil Rights Act magically erased all of the generational effects of the centuries of state-sponsored racism.

3/16/2006 6:48:58 PM

^Shit, that's the opinion of the majority. It is fucking scary. I also love people who don't think society is segregated anymore. People is stoopid.

3/16/2006 6:50:43 PM

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"I forgot that there were still people who believed the Emancipation Proclamation and Civil Rights Act magically erased all of the generational effects of the centuries of state-sponsored racism."

i'm not suggesting that. but to say that white people are putting black people in bondage right now is going too far.

3/16/2006 6:57:34 PM

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"all this little brat is saying (or her parents are telling her to say) is that white people are to blame for any predicament (be it financial, legal, whatever) that a black person is in"

FUCK NO THAT'S NOT ALL SHE'S SAYING. YOU DON'T SEE IN HER POEM WHERE SHE'S CALLING ON BLACK PEOPLE TO RECOGNIZE THEIR POTENTIAL?

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"I pledge allegiance to my Black People. I pledge to develop my mind and body to the greatest extent possible. I will learn all that I can in order to give my best to my People in their struggle for liberation. . . . I will discipline myself to direct my energies thoughtfully and constructively rather than wasting them in idle hatred. I will train myself never to hurt or allow others to harm my Black brothers and sisters . . . These principles I pledge to practice daily and to teach them to others in order to unite my People."

She's saying black people need to stop the idle hatred of "the man". She's saying that black need to stop committing crimes against one another. She's saying that successful blacks need to stop ignoring the plights of the rest of their "race." She's saying that black people need to stop giving up on the benefits an education can bring them.

She's definitely placing the blame for these conditions on the white man (and I believe she's absolutely right to), but she's also asking her peers to do more and work harder than every other race in this country to get past those conditions.

[Edited on March 16, 2006 at 7:03 PM. Reason : sss]

3/16/2006 7:00:48 PM

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"She's definitely placing the blame for these conditions on the white man"

3/16/2006 7:07:46 PM

^ And who would you suggest was responsible? The Native Americans? Asians?

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"quagmire02: the little racist is implying that white people are the blame for...what?"

White people? Or white nationalism? To understand the difference, I'd recommend you read a dictionary.

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"quagmire02: this is JUST as racist as prussian blue, and me calling her (them) out on it does not make ME a racist"

It doesn't make you racist, but it does make you stupid, and just as stupid as the girls in Prussian Blue at that. They deny the Holocaust happened (a Jewish myth of course), just as you deny the accuracy of Ashante's assessment that White nationalism is responsible for the generally poor/disadvantaged disposition of blacks today.

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"cheeze: her poem suggests that this is CURRENTLY happening."

She's not saying that it's currently happening. She's saying the effects are still visible and still being felt by the black community. A completely accurate observation.

She's wrong when she says "nothing has changed," though.

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"cheeze: but to say that white people are putting black people in bondage right now is going too far."

I suppose it's a good thing she's not saying that, then. I don't see Columbus, Morgan, or Darwin roaming the streets these days. In fact, her entire poem is written in the past tense.

There's a difference between "White nationalism is what put you in bondage" and "White nationalism is keeping you in bondage." The fact that it "put them in bondage" doesn't mean that it continues to keep them there.

Saying that "A car accident is what put me in the hospital" doesn't mean "A car accident is keeping me in the hospital."

[Edited on March 16, 2006 at 7:10 PM. Reason : ...]

3/16/2006 7:08:24 PM

3/16/2006 7:49:53 PM

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"^ And who would you suggest was responsible? The Native Americans? Asians? "

Well there were you know, the black slave traders in africa, I mean it's not like they didn't contribute siginificantly to all of this. She's more than happy to blame the ancestors of her white classmates but odly silent on the transgressions of her own.

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"In fact, her entire poem is written in the past tense. "

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"Nothing has changed take a look in our streets"

3/16/2006 11:55:31 PM

I totally blame the Asians.

3/17/2006 7:48:34 AM

I had forgotten how much I hated poetry.

3/17/2006 8:15:21 AM

Did you miss this part???

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"She's not saying that it's currently happening. She's saying the effects are still visible and still being felt by the black community. A completely accurate observation. She's wrong when she says "nothing has changed," though."

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"1337 b4k4: Well there were you know, the black slave traders in africa, I mean it's not like they didn't contribute siginificantly to all of this. She's more than happy to blame the ancestors of her white classmates but odly silent on the transgressions of her own."

Oh yes, the old "there were African slave traders" saw. Tell me then, how successful would those traders have been if White nationalism hadn't created a market for them???

3/18/2006 2:44:13 PM

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"Oh yes, the old "there were African slave traders" saw. Tell me then, how successful would those traders have been if White nationalism hadn't created a market for them???"

And they had to participate why? How does a demand absolve them of the responsibility they have in creating the supply? How succesful would white nationalism be in enslaving the africans if they weren't so willing to sell their own people? We can go around and around but the point is it takes two to tango.

3/18/2006 3:51:29 PM

Which apparently absolves White nationalism of blame...

You're right. What a short-sighted, ignorant little girl...

3/18/2006 3:59:09 PM

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"She's more than happy to blame the ancestors of her white classmates but odly silent on the transgressions of her own. "

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" We can go around and around but the point is it takes two to tango."

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"absolves White nationalism of blame..."

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3/18/2006 4:23:04 PM

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"I had forgotten how much I hated poetry."

we must never forget, never forget, never!

3/18/2006 4:24:36 PM

What obligates her to write a poem about her own people's transgressions? I kinda figured that was addressed by the oh-so-racist black people's pledge...

3/19/2006 7:16:26 PM

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"We can go around and around but the point is it takes two to tango."

AHAHA. Yeah, the African agreed to dance, but then the European stabbed him in the back and raped his corpse. That ain't no tango, playa.

3/19/2006 9:43:35 PM