treetwista,

I rationally countered your "opinion" that we were "not a powerhouse for 30 yrs." I gave credible facts. That's all I'm saying. Deal with it and don't go off on some tangent. (typical of herb luv, btw)

Also, you started this thread and I'll agree, as most will. Unfortunately for NC STATE all things point to herb coming back

3/20/2006 6:39:52 PM

I just watch the games and every game

NC State goes through 2 to 3 scoring droughts at least 4 min

NC State can't defend the inbounds plays NC State can't execute inbounds plays.

NC State can barely get a shot off after a time out (maybe 5% of the time usually a bad shot with a guy in their face cause the time is running out)

The last 2 min of each half are basically shit

NC State has yet to get a true point guard (yea Chris Wright that only took 12 years)

The lack of time outs call when another team goes on a 15-0 run

The time outs called with a player is driving to the basket.

Why call a time out at the end of a game (see above ref: inbound plays, and plays after a time out)

The lack of developing players (NC State have one player in the NBA damien wilkins and he transferred out to UGA)

The leads NC State build always seems to evaporate

Unlike most teams (unc this year look how good they were at the end of the year) NC State gets worse as the year goes on.

and next looks to be more of the same.



[Edited on March 20, 2006 at 6:46 PM. Reason : sp]

3/20/2006 6:41:44 PM

gface

Quote :

"Our last tournament app was 91 "

ok so our last acc tournament championship was 1991...btw we were a #6 seed and lost in the 2nd round of the ncaa tourney that year...i guess we were a "basketball powerhouse" in 1991...gimme a break...we havent been a powerhouse since the 70s...we had a great run in 83 but we havent been a powerhouse in 30 years like i said

so actually you see, you havent really intelligently countered anything with credible facts, unless you think a 2nd round ncaa elimination is a sign of being a "powerhouse" in 1991 but the same 2nd round elimination this year means herb sucks

oh and i think i might've figured out why you'll never be satisfied with ANY state coach:

Quote :

"I look at our Herbie situation here amongst our own and hope, as I'm sure so does our entire Wolfpack Nation, that one of two things will happen. Either Herb reaches some type of enlightenment and we dominate the ACC and win mad NCs or we get another coach to do this."

so either way, you wont be happy til we win mad national championships...haha as much as I'd love that, get real

3/20/2006 6:48:10 PM

Quote :

"NC State can't defend the inbounds plays NC State can't execute inbounds plays. "

what do you expect from the man who decided not to guard the inbound pass of the famous duke-kentucky game?

3/20/2006 6:51:01 PM

Quote :

"NC State can barely get a shot off after a time out (maybe 5% of the time usually a bad shot with a guy in their face cause the time is running out) The last 2 min of each half are basically shit "

Yeah I hate that 3 that Cam hit AFTER A TIMEOUT to win the Cal game. We were just horrible those last two minutes.

It was also real bad too when we won 2 games in overtime on the road in the ACC. Guess we sucked those last 2 minutes as well. Point out the good too if you are going to point out the bad.

3/20/2006 7:01:13 PM

HEY HEY HEY HEY HEY NOW

you cant mention state wins or good things the coaches and players have done

you must only focus on the losses...every single win is luck, don't you see?

contrary to statistics, a college basketball season is not ~30-40 games

its the last 5 games only...well not including the California game

Quote :

"Unlike most teams (unc this year look how good they were at the end of the year) NC State gets worse as the year goes on. "

WOOOO! UNC WON 1 OF THEIR LAST 3 GAMES! WOOOOOOOOO!!

3/20/2006 7:02:19 PM

This is a great year to compare us to UNC.... except thier freshmen are better than our seniors.

3/20/2006 7:08:58 PM

yeah hansbrough sure did dominate george mason

and their upperclassmen...gosh noel and terry played like experienced players!

3/20/2006 7:13:07 PM

Out with a dismal performance.

Happened every one of Herb's billion.

Care to explain that?

3/20/2006 7:14:49 PM

They beat the living hell out of us didn't they?

3/20/2006 7:15:31 PM

^^we played a better texas team, i dunno if you caught the game or not

explain to me how roy "reincarnation of jesus christ" williams went out dismally to national powerhouse GEORGE MASON

^yes...and we beat the hell out of boston college in boston so i guess fells and mccauley are better than craig smith

3/20/2006 7:15:37 PM

You said Rick Barnes sucks.

Don't gimme that shit

Quote :

"^yes...and we beat the hell out of boston college in boston so i guess fells and mccauley are better than craig smith"

Oh. Now that's brilliant

[Edited on March 20, 2006 at 7:16 PM. Reason : ]

3/20/2006 7:16:22 PM

NIPPLE FUCK

[Edited on March 20, 2006 at 7:17 PM. Reason : FDS]

3/20/2006 7:17:12 PM

WHATS ALSO BRILLIANT IS THAT UNC'S FRESHMAN ARE BETTER THAN OUR SENIORS

CAUSE UNC REALLY CAME TO PLAY IN THE POSTSEASON

also, fuck rick barnes...go transfer to texas

3/20/2006 7:18:29 PM

Quote :

"Yeah I hate that 3 that Cam hit AFTER A TIMEOUT to win the Cal game. We were just horrible those last two minutes. It was also real bad too when we won 2 games in overtime on the road in the ACC. Guess we sucked those last 2 minutes as well. Point out the good too if you are going to point out the bad. "

This is like the only game I hear Herbivores keep proclaiming as SUCH a great moment/game...

So glad I can depend on this game to make me realize the last umpteenth years we actually played like we gave a fuk


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FH

3/20/2006 7:19:00 PM

and then the unc and wake games are the only games I hear Herbhaters proclaiming SUCH bad moments/games...

So glad I can depend on our last few games to make me realize those 20 wins we got didnt mean shit

3/20/2006 7:20:48 PM

Quote :

"WHATS ALSO BRILLIANT IS THAT UNC'S FRESHMAN ARE BETTER THAN OUR SENIORS CAUSE UNC REALLY CAME TO PLAY IN THE POSTSEASON"

Ahaha. It's logic and arguments like this that make your credibility nonexistent.


OMF WE START 3 SENIORS, UNC STARTS 3 FRESHMEN AND A WALK-ON... AND THEY WORKED US TWICE, BUT UNC SUCKS BECUASE THEY GOT AS FAR AS US IN THE NCAA"s AND LOST TO A TEMA THAT IVE NEVER HEARD OF!!11!!11!

Here's the thing. They'll get better. That's the best team we've had in 10 years.

3/20/2006 7:20:51 PM

^you come into this thread and quote my sarcastic retorts to even more asinine previous comments as if those are legitimate points im trying to make

please read the thread before you make any more of an ass of yourself

3/20/2006 7:21:47 PM

HIRE FERB


He has plenty of supporters

3/20/2006 7:21:54 PM

Yes, I have totally displayed my stupidity in this thread.

Totally

3/20/2006 7:22:59 PM

maybe if you read the progression of posts you would have a clue

or you can suck roy's perpetual penis for his season which ended about 3 hours before state's season ended

3/20/2006 7:23:30 PM

Quote :

"which ended about 3 hours before state's season ended "

OMF!111

3/20/2006 7:25:02 PM

i'm having trouble understanding you guys' posts with roy's perpetual penis in your mouthes

3/20/2006 7:25:37 PM

What is a perpetual penis?

3/20/2006 7:25:41 PM

dunno but i guess sendek doesnt have one...amato definitely does though...so does mike vick

3/20/2006 7:26:25 PM

pass some of that wacky tobakky

3/20/2006 7:30:54 PM

just out of curiousity, what WOULD it take for you to want Herb gone?

Also, do you honestly not care if State ever wins or competes for a National Title? Because what you (and all the Herb supporters are saying) is that it is perfectly acceptible that NC State is average. If average is all you are looking for, then congrats, that is exactly what you have.

3/20/2006 7:32:24 PM

Anyone who thinks that the anger towards Herb is only about the last 6 games is wrong. This is about 10 years of mediocrity, 10 years of no results, and 10 years of consistantly being pounded by our rivals. The last six games have just been a way of showing all three of those things in a short time period, but it has been going on for much longer.

3/20/2006 7:37:37 PM

^^

-not making the tournament for 2 years in a row. (now that we're at this level)
-not making the elite 8 within the next 5 years
-finishing below 4th in the ACC more than twice in the next 5 years

[Edited on March 20, 2006 at 7:41 PM. Reason : ]

3/20/2006 7:38:56 PM

^ Such low expectations. How far the mighty have fallen.

3/20/2006 7:41:58 PM

ncWOLFsu

I commend you for atleast giving an answer. See I knew tww can talk rationally and diplomatically.

3/20/2006 7:44:02 PM

^^^ So, you may be willing to wait 15 years before we reach an elite eight before firing Herbie? C'mon man, thats just sad

3/20/2006 7:45:02 PM

We now have our own version of Dave Odom



(Except Dave Odom actually reached the Elite 8)

3/20/2006 7:46:56 PM

In his defense, those are reasonable. The difference is his patience is just longer than others.

3/20/2006 7:49:37 PM

The Funniest thing about Herb Haters is that we actually give money to NC State athletetics.

3/20/2006 7:51:07 PM

with teams like wichita state/george mason making the elite 8, it makes me think "well why the fuck can't we in ten years with the amazing herb as our coach?"

3/20/2006 7:57:16 PM

Of all the coaches who have reached the elite eight, what is the average time at their respective schools?

3/20/2006 7:57:39 PM

Do you know how bad of a program Herb took over?

Witchita State was loaded when Turgeon took over!!11!. You can't expect Herb to turn things around in a decade!

3/20/2006 7:59:00 PM

How sad that allegiance to Herb overrules allegiance to NC STATE

3/20/2006 8:00:23 PM

Quote :

"they can talk all the shit they want, but Coach Sendek will be back next season "

Exactly! Not a single one of these people have any say in the matter.

It is embarrassing to the school and the team that they're getting so much publicity though.

3/20/2006 8:03:28 PM

^that is a defeatist attitude. As a member of the wolfpack club, I know for a fact that there are a lot of us who are not pleased and want a change. The only people without a say are the students who give no money.

3/20/2006 8:10:47 PM

I wouldn't count on us having no say. I'm fairly certain that the Wolfpack Club, Lee Fowler, etc. have been hearing from plenty of folks who have a very large say (i.e. $$$).

3/20/2006 8:36:07 PM

LOL

TREETWISTA IS ALL LIKE OMYGARRR ROY LOST TO A SHITTY TEAM

THEN WHEN ASKED ABOUT US LOSING TO WAKE

HE'D BE LIKE OMGARRR WE BEAT TWENTY OTHER TEAMS

THEN ASKED ABOUT WHY WE HAVENT MADE IT PAST THE S16 ALL DECADE

HE'D BE LIKE OMGARRR LOOK HOW WE'VE IMPROVED.

CONGRATS TREETWISTAH

3/20/2006 8:41:12 PM

^^ How much money? Paying $30 for Wolfpack Club membership isn't going to give you much say.

3/20/2006 8:51:11 PM

Wolfpack Club != Student Wolfpack Club

3/20/2006 8:53:39 PM

being a member of the wolfpack club gives you no say in the coaching decisions of this school. As long as we are selling tickets and making money, Lee Fowler is the only one who will ever have a say in the matter.

3/20/2006 9:11:06 PM

^^thank you.

3/20/2006 9:18:54 PM

So the solution is to knock out Fowler first and then Sendek follows.

If only someone had the balls that MAF had when she went and knocked on Mike O'Cain's door and told him to hit the road. Herb=MOC.

3/20/2006 11:39:27 PM

Quote :

"NC State Basketball Tradition: Case built it Valvano filled it Sendek killed it"

i like the quote in your profile

however, you failed to mention what V really did to the program


BTW, you're a freshman. what the FUCK do you know about shit?

[Edited on March 20, 2006 at 11:42 PM. Reason : ,]

3/20/2006 11:41:41 PM

Quote :

"NC State Basketball Tradition: Case built it Valvano filled it Sendek killed it"

This is in your profile.

Shouldn't it say Valvano killed it and Herb brought it back????

^WOW too weird Kruk. Great minds think alike I guess.

[Edited on March 20, 2006 at 11:42 PM. Reason : ^]

3/20/2006 11:42:16 PM