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3/22/2006 2:14:52 AM

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"Punter16: I don't know the guy and I bet I'd like him, but here's your answer: He's in a frat This is the wolfweb, official gathering place of everyone that was ever harassed/picked on/made to feel inferior by frat boys and future frat boys for the last ~20 years of their lives End of story"

It's somewhat off-topic, but raises the question: if it's true that TWW is the "official gathering place" for the 'anti-frat' people (I don't think it is but let's hypothesize here), then why would someone in a fraternity bother trying to get votes on TWW in the first place?

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As for the topic, thanks for the commentary everyone. I'm writing a column on the SBP race and wanted to get filled in on the animosity to Quick.


[Edited on March 22, 2006 at 10:31 AM. Reason : ---]

3/22/2006 10:30:37 AM

I wear letter shirts from time to time & have lived in UT, but I’ve also lived in Sullivan, Bragaw, & Metcalf. I never really saw any class distinctions. I don’t think anyone can win an election being pro or anti frat or any other special interest groups because this campus isn’t that divided. We certainly aren’t unified, in anything other than indifference atleast, but we aren’t at each others throats. Most platforms that I’ve read have their real issues, and then a basic run down of the different groups on campus saying nice things about them, but nothing serious about them. The vast majority are indifferent, and why not be considering the success rate of SG, and the only way we can get interested at this point is through low level commitments that make us feel special like joining a facebook group as part of the pirate crew.

Most voters are students first and members of specific groups 2nd. If we can find someone with both broad appeal to students, & respect/knowledge of the SBP position, then we’d have a good president. I think Langely & to some degree Quick are good at getting their names out there which is needed from broad appeal, but I think Cody’s platform was the best. Since any candidate only brings half the package so far, I think its better to go with the person who I feel is right on the issues, and hope he can acquire broad appeal along the way, rather than going for someone who I feel is wrong on the issues but already has broad appeal.

http://cody.wolfpacklife.com/

He just needs to do something to get more name recognition now and he’d make the best candidate.

3/22/2006 10:51:14 AM

the only thing student government could do that would be worth anything would be to eliminate funding for worthless crap.

like student government.

[Edited on March 22, 2006 at 10:59 AM. Reason : .]

3/22/2006 10:59:30 AM

TGD, send me a copy of that column when you get it done...I don't pick up the Techie any more since my falling out with the people in charge. I can't go around making exceptions, either.

and anyway...

http://www.votelangley.com

3/22/2006 1:11:37 PM

Langley looks like just as big a douche as Quick, if that's even possible. I'll vote Williams or write in Pirate Captain.

3/22/2006 1:22:24 PM

SG is worthless.

3/22/2006 1:31:51 PM

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"--Extend the drop date- Yale does it and it boosts GPA’s. --Community Service for drinking tickets- We’re not alcoholics, we don’t need Alcohol class! --Support Campus Greeks and Organizations"

will langley wants dumber students to have higher gpa's, meaning your degree is worth less.

will langley wants to promote drunk driving by not educating alcoholics.

and finally, WILL LANGLEY SUPPORTS FRATS!! DONT VOTE FOR HIM!!!1



[Edited on March 22, 2006 at 1:43 PM. Reason : http://www.votelangley.com/platform.php]

3/22/2006 1:36:58 PM

^^if you feel that way you could join this group

http://ncst.facebook.com/group_profile.php?gid=9569

I'm graduating this semester. The last SG related stuff I'm doing is putting in a vote for Cody so that maybe Hillsborough will eventually become a more interesting place to visit even after I'm not a student, and advertising for this group that wants to remove senate. I leave the knowledge of how to do it in the group incase anyone wants to go for it, but I'm gone in a few months. I'll still be in NC & using tdub, but I wont be in Raleigh or able to vote in student elections any more. Since I won’t be under the rule of the new president, I want a lasting effect like the Hillsborough revival... and 4 years at a university isn't long, I think other who aren't seniors also might be sway by the idea of lasting effects.

[Edited on March 22, 2006 at 1:39 PM. Reason : added these ^^]

3/22/2006 1:39:16 PM

Somebody should alert the foreign Quick to the fact that nobody says "Raleighwood."

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"Living, learning, laughing in Raleighwood"

http://www.willquick.com/platform/#raleigh

As far as being relatable and knowing what's up with the kids, Will Langley wins.

I like the fact that Cody Williams cares about Hillsborough Street.

[Edited on March 22, 2006 at 1:53 PM. Reason : aaa]

3/22/2006 1:51:21 PM

where does langley stand on abortion? i heard today that he was really conservative guy, but i can't make that call since i don't know him at all other than what i've read from his platform. maybe grumpyGOP knows?

[Edited on March 22, 2006 at 1:57 PM. Reason : .]

3/22/2006 1:57:16 PM

^

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"Supplanter: where does langley stand on abortion?"

haha wtf, was this serious or [sarcasm]? it's fucking SG, who cares wtf he thinks about abortion...

3/22/2006 2:08:55 PM

^^I suspect he is conservative, and I'm not concerned with his opinion on abortion or his party affiliation. I had a short chat with him in the Brickyard last year.

I got the feeling that he doesn't take himself too seriously.

I believe this is a good thing because it means he won't be concerned with his image when it comes to speaking up on behalf of the students.

[Edited on March 22, 2006 at 2:09 PM. Reason : ^I know! AHAHA]

3/22/2006 2:09:27 PM

"I suspect he is conservative,"

So far he seemed sort of incompetent & his ad campaign certainly isn’t aiming at anything high or intellectual. But then someone suggested to me today that he was a serious conservative which wasn’t an impression I previously had. I threw my random question out there to test the waters.

"it's fucking SG, who cares wtf he thinks about abortion"

you're right, in student politics no one cares about abortion, I was just trying to find out whether something I heard today was true. perhaps I should have pointed out first that this was an aside from the discussion quick or any comparison of the candidates. my bad.

[Edited on March 22, 2006 at 2:16 PM. Reason : .]

3/22/2006 2:15:13 PM

Supplanter, I may vote for Cody Williams just because of the Hillsborough Street thing.

A lot of this "no fun" shit on campus stems directly from the fact that Hillsborough St. sucks.

I'm disturbed that none of the other candidates attempted to address this. A lost cause perhaps?

[Edited on March 22, 2006 at 2:23 PM. Reason : sss]

3/22/2006 2:21:37 PM

^well langley in response has advocated having 1 party on hillsborough street since he thinks he can throw a better party, and maybe he can... but it seems like cody's attempting to address the issue overall rather than trying to see whose party will have the biggest membership.

3/22/2006 2:42:50 PM

if that's "addressing the issue," you could just as easily argue that Will Quick "addresses the issue" by promising visits to the Raleigh City Council...it's all still bullshit, from all 3 of them

3/22/2006 2:48:44 PM

wait, his sister showed her tits?

proof please.

3/22/2006 2:54:28 PM

http://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=394322

typh, video is at the top of the second page and somewhere on the first page too.

3/22/2006 2:57:17 PM

3/22/2006 3:36:45 PM

nice.

don't care about sg, but boobs...

3/22/2006 3:46:18 PM

i get the general impression that quick is the enemy, and that cody is slightly better & care more than langley, but its most important to beat the enemy so many people are leaning towards langley.

i think cody would do the best based off their platforms, i just hope does something to get his name out their more. thats really all he'd have to do to be the best candidate, i'm just not sure he will.

3/22/2006 3:55:57 PM

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"i heard today that he was really conservative guy"

I don't know him well enough to know his politics, but I've never heard him say anything one way or the other and he's listed on facebook as "moderate."

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"and finally, WILL LANGLEY SUPPORTS FRATS!!"

I don't like that one bit, but until I see a candidate come out with an anti-frat platform, I've resigned myself to having to vote for someone who will, when asked, claim to "support campus greeks."

3/22/2006 4:27:32 PM

"I don't like that one bit, but until I see a candidate come out with an anti-frat platform"

http://cody.wolfpacklife.com

No mention of frats or greeks as far as I could tell. This isn't the outright calling out frats as evil that some might be looking for, but its the closest to not having a fratastic platform as you're going to find. It seemed about 2/3s on Hillsborough & 1/3 on SG reform and there was a brief mentioning of one or two other goals.

^I think you might be backing the wrong guy. Or maybe he is the right guy if you think he’s the only one who could beat Quick. But if Cody found some way to get his name out there & be a stronger candidate, would you atleast consider giving him your vote?

3/22/2006 5:22:03 PM

Honeslty, I'm not sure, because at the end of the day I like more of the things in Langley's. The mention of frats is a blow against him, yes, but I bet that if you asked Cody, he'd say, "Of course I support them!"

3/22/2006 10:04:23 PM

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""I don't like that one bit, but until I see a candidate come out with an anti-frat platform" http://cody.wolfpacklife.com No mention of frats or greeks as far as I could tell. This isn't the outright calling out frats as evil that some might be looking for"

Again, you people need to stop hating other people because they are different from you.

3/23/2006 12:18:36 AM

?

3/23/2006 12:20:54 AM

^^ Hating someone is not the same as not wanting someone to represent you and your interests.

3/23/2006 12:56:38 PM

Chuck are you in a fraternity?

[Edited on March 23, 2006 at 2:19 PM. Reason : not trying to talk shit, just curious]

3/23/2006 2:19:03 PM

"Student For the advocating the Dissolution of Student Senate's Profile "

Of course facebook groups are meaningless and stupid, but at least have the title be grammatically correct.

3/23/2006 2:28:01 PM

Cody's my roommate and I've known him for like 4 years now, and also I ran for student senate prez last year and LOST... I'll come out and say all that first.

Cody's a good guy and I'd say along with Langley, the only one who has a somewhat realistic platform... I won't even start on Will Quick's Magna Carta/encyclopedia (I'm sure that's not a good reference.. I just like saying Magna Carta whenever the opportunity presents itself)

Cody would do the best job in getting things done on campus, I can say that with confidence. This dude has connections like you wouldn't believe, and I haven't known anyone more reliable in actually living up to their word/promises. Cody's not the type to say he's going to do something unless: 1.) He's sure it's possible. 2.) He's sure he can get it done.

Will Langley would do the best job in representing the average student, I can say that with confidence. He seems to know and understand that we really don't care that much about 96.4% of what SG does. Give us our tickets, let us drink beer and tailgate, and stop giving us handbills every time we walk through the Brickyard. Overall, most of us, the average students, if really presented with the issues would likely be hellbent against most of the stuff the administration tries to pull off. Will Langley seems to hold that stance, whether it's his being genuine or his trying to get elected, who knows?

Will Quick... I don't know... The only thing that I can't get past, (and I've been able to get past some things with candidates like Will Langley) is his involvement with the ticket situation last year. He still, to my knowledge, has not given straight answers to his involvement/lack of involvement in the whole situation. I saw a lot of shady "tactics" (if that's what you call Senate's blundering maneuvers) take place during the election last year. Those questions really need to be answered. Along with that, I don't know that Will Quick really understands what the average student's life is like. Whether or not that really matters... that's up to everyone to decide. But it seems to me, (and I don't have all the facts on where he lived, etc.) that all Will Q has ever been around is the fraternity/Greek scene. I'm not bashing it, I'm just saying that I think everyone can agree that Greek life is kind of it's own little world. I'm just looking for someone who has a little bit more life experience than the shelter/confines/living arrangement of that system... basically, just someone a little bit more well-rounded.


Well that's my piece. Dunno if yall really care... I know I don't...haha.. I'm just bored right now.

3/23/2006 4:18:03 PM

i like that you can list the problems you have with mr. quick without describing him as "the kind of person who has so long suckled the thick black bile of corruption and personal importance from the rancid teat of student government"


[Edited on March 23, 2006 at 5:16 PM. Reason : not sarcasm]

3/23/2006 5:12:43 PM

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"Chuck are you in a fraternity?"

No, but of course you don't have to be a member of a particular group in order to be mad when that group is unfairly hated on.

3/23/2006 10:26:51 PM

you all don't understand the greek system at all
get your panties out of a bunch and get over your inferiority complex

3/23/2006 10:31:25 PM

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"get your panties out of a bunch and get over your inferiority complex"

YES

THAT'S ALL IT BOILS DOWN TO

NO WAY IT COULD BE MORE COMPLEX THAN THAT

Why don't you explain to me how we've somehow misunderstood the fact that two years ago Will Quick straight up appointed his fellow Sigma Chi member, Adam Whitehouse, to the Senate, and how that same Adam Whitehouse is now running almost unopposed for SCP? Or the other Sigma Chi, Zach Adams, who appears to be leading for SSP and who is also in Sigma Chi? Does all that strike you as a fucking coincidence coincidence?

The favoritism, cronyism, and blatant manipulation of the candidates by the fucking Greeks and Sigma Chi in particular makes me fucking sick.

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"No, but of course you don't have to be a member of a particular group in order to be mad when that group is unfairly hated on."

Of course. And as soon as the hating gets unfair, then I'll at least pretend to give a shit about your whiny protests.

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"not sarcasm"

Uh...thanks?

[Edited on March 23, 2006 at 10:47 PM. Reason : ]

3/23/2006 10:42:47 PM

Eh.. I think that giving a shit is just what you need. You do sound a little constipated.

3/23/2006 10:47:05 PM

Shut the fuck up until you want to offer some satisfactory answer to all this:

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"Why don't you explain to me how we've somehow misunderstood the fact that two years ago Will Quick straight up appointed his fellow Sigma Chi member, Adam Whitehouse, to the Senate, and how that same Adam Whitehouse is now running almost unopposed for SCP? Or the other Sigma Chi, Zach Adams, who appears to be leading for SSP and who is also in Sigma Chi? Does all that strike you as a fucking coincidence coincidence? "

3/23/2006 10:48:01 PM

ITS A CONSPIRACY, THEY GOT EVERYONE EXCEPT SIGMA CHI'S TO DROP OUT

THEY ARE PART OF THE ZIONIST PLOT


seriously, what are you implying

[Edited on March 23, 2006 at 11:46 PM. Reason : .]

3/23/2006 11:45:23 PM

What I'm flat-out saying is that I don't want the most important offices in Student Government monopolized by people who are all under the influence of a specific organization and/or its umbrella (the IFC) under any circumstances, especially when I am opposed to those organizations on general principle.

And I'll ask again, do you think it coincidental that all three of the frontrunners (well, maybe Quick isn't a frontrunner, thank God) for these positions all come from the same fraternity? Do you think that when Will Quick appointed Adam Whitehouse to his current seat, he did so because he was "the best man for the job" (and, having known Adam Whitehouse for several years, I can assure you that he's not) and not because they were frat brothers?

Yes, I believe there's a fucking conspiracy. It's not dark or convoluted, but it does involve a cadre of individuals involved in a political circle-jerk that cannot end well for the students at large.

[Edited on March 23, 2006 at 11:56 PM. Reason : ]

3/23/2006 11:56:33 PM

you need some xanax dude

3/24/2006 12:10:22 AM

circle-jerk

gg, Grumpy, keep pwning those n00bs.

3/24/2006 12:11:31 AM

dude, he's claiming that the ifc is controlling a consipracy

im sorry you dont see how utterly retarded that is

3/24/2006 12:15:02 AM

run... they're after you!

3/24/2006 12:32:55 AM

I think quick is seen as the worst guy in general. And that langley & cody are about the same, although cody's ideas on Hillsborough street might give him a slight lead in quality... but most people want quick to lose. So the only way Cody will win this is if his name gets out their more. I know I've heard people on tdub say they'd vote for lanley just b/c they think hes the only viable person to get more votes than quick. Cody just needs to man up and get his name out there somehow and his better platform could carry him to victory I think while taking down quick.

3/24/2006 1:09:05 AM

^Dude, just stop. Just give up. The election is in four days. Two of those are weekend days when nobody's going to be around campus. Cody's chance is shot.

^^I always had this feeling that Wolfpack and I would end up on opposite sides, and that, when that happened, I wouldn't exactly be terrified by the proposition.

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"dude, he's claiming that the ifc is controlling a consipracy "

I'm using the word as it is supposed to be used, without any of the associated baggage. For example:

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"Conspiracy, in common usage, is the act of working in secret to obtain some goal, usually understood with negative connotations."

or

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"a plot to carry out some harmful or illegal act (especially a political plot)"

No black helicopters here. Not even a group of IFC bigwigs sitting in a smoky room trying to lay out plans. However, there does seem to be a concerted effort by at least some members of the IFC (which, incidentally, officially endorses the candidates I mentioned) to pack student government with its members. At the end of the day, though, the evidence seems to be overwhelmingly in favor of certain individuals within that organization looking out for one another first, and for the student body second.

It's not like there's much power to be gained through such an action. Even these apes have enough sense to see that. But there is a possibility to improve one's image and buffer up one's resume, and that in and of itself is (apparently) enough to motivate a concerted, organized, and not-quite-secret effort on their part.

But why bother? You have not said one fucking word in answer to the questions I proposed. Does an individual with authority appointing one of his frat buddies to what is supposed to be an elected position seem like a good thing to you? Would you think it acceptable if arguably the three biggest positions in SG were occupied by members of the same small interest group?

[Edited on March 24, 2006 at 2:48 AM. Reason : ]

3/24/2006 2:45:51 AM

I'll preface this by saying my comments are more than likely going to be immediately discredited and taken as complete lies and bull shit but I just wanted to clarify some issues regarding IFC:

I'm the IFC President and have had top level positions in IFC or been actively involved in IFC for the past 3 years and the number of times I've had to rely on Student Government or seen a situation in IFC which we needed Student Government to come to our aid for our specific Council business or agenda is never. Never once has it ever been imperative to the Council's direct business or operations that we needed Student Government or more importantly to the concerns directed in this thread did we need Greeks in top level Student Government positions while I have been on this campus.

The simple matter of fact on how IFC operates on this campus is that we rely don't have any serious interaction with Student Government. Yes, occasionally every now and then we will work with Student Government on certain matters for example the Tailgating Student Taskforce in the Brickyard this semester. In that case we advocated with Student Government to help protect a student and NC State tradition on the basis of many our members appreciate and enjoy tailgating and the Council felt it would be beneficial to the cause of all students on State's campus who enjoy tailgating to work with Student Government to help protect it. Again, that is really the extent of our involvement with Student Government and situations of that nature are rare, to my knowledge that is the only time since I've been at State (past 3 years) that IFC and Student Government have done anything in conjunction.

I also can not recollect any other situation in which IFC has been involved with Student Government to either progress the Council's agenda or work with IFC on some issue or concern that was part of IFC operations or business. Again IFC doesn't operate on the basis of needing Student Government as an entity to either progress the Council's agenda or support Council business in any unbiased manner (and really in any manner at atll).[i] So I just wanted to set the record straight, of course people can fairly question the validity of this statement and I welcome you to do that. But the simple fact as succinctly stated in this thread as possible is that IFC does not involve Student Government in our business and operations and in all honesty we feel we are strong enough to handle our own business on our own without the immediate assistance of Student Government. Again I know the validity of my statement of the facts is going to be questioned so feel free to question it here or contact me directly about the matter. The simple fact is we don't interact with Student Government in IFC business or operations end of statement.

Secondly, IFC is probably always going to endorse and support IFC Men specifically or any Greeks running for any number of positions. I'm pretty sure that generally speaking any organization at any level is going to support the members of their organization when they run for high level positions. Again as I stated earlier it is not necessary to have Student Government involved in IFC affairs or business so it is not essentially necessary to have IFC Men or Greeks in general in Student Government in respect to Council operations.

The reason why IFC generally tends to supports or endorses IFC Men is the simple fact that we feel they are competent to do the job and hopefully (all though I not it rarely works in this manner) it will show that IFC is the type of organization that builds or fosters genuine leadership. Of course IFC as a whole agrees it is nice to have IFC Men in high level positions, but its not like we are in a Council meeting and say hey we need so and so to be SSP or SBP because if not Council operations are going to go to shit and the Council will cease and fail to operate correctly. Its more like hey it will look good on IFC's behalf to show we produce leaders and if for some extreme reason we need Student Government its always generally speaking beneficial to have someone you know or are associated with working with you. That is the truth of how IFC generally takes or views elections and IFC Men in Student Government. First it looks good on our behalf and in the case of an extreme situation we feel it would be beneficial to have IFC Men in office. But we don't go around supporting or unjustly try to get IFC Men into office because it is of some immediate gain to IFC in Council business or operations, it mainly is just good PR.

Which let me address IFC endorsements quickly. Again really all IFC endorsements are is just hey we feel you are competent to do the job and may do a generally good job if elected. IFC endorsements are not really taking too seriously by the Council as a whole in terms of who we vote for, guys are going to vote for who they like. Generally the average IFC Man isn't going to give a shit about who we decide to endorse at an IFC Council meeting. If IFC Men vote they tend to do so on their own accord not by Council influence. The IFC endorsement is just that for candidates who approach us and we feel are competent and can do a good job if elected we say hey we will endorse you on that basis and support you on that cause. IFC endorsements are not these wicked titles to side step election protocol and rig the elections unjustly as they seem to be taken at times. If anything you can ask the average IFC Man and he will tell you IFC endorsements are BS and a waste of time so that should indicate how seriously or necessary the Council generally speaking takes IFC endorsements. Again IFC Men are going to vote how they feel not necessarily on who IFC endorses. IFC doesn't mandate that IFC Men have to vote for who we endorse it just doesn't work that way.

Anyways in quick summary and conclusion IFC doesn't really care all too much in respect to how the Council operates when it comes to Student Government and specifically elections. Sure it is nice and looks good to have IFC Men in "top level" Student Government positions but outside of that PR side it really isn't of necessity to have IFC Men in those positions for the benefit of Council operations. IFC business and operations are going to proceed without any real influence on who is in Student Government, bottom-line. We don't need Student Government to operate so it is not a priority of ours to get IFC Men elected, it looks good and maybe in a rare case be beneficial but certainly not necessary. IFC is not out there trying to secretly control Student Government as stated or stereotyped on campus because even if that were the case it would serve no purpose to IFC. We don't need Student Government in IFC operations or business so what is the point of trying to control it? IFC Men run for office on the basis they can do so for the benefit of whomever they state and for whatever own personal reasons. IFC Men don't run for office for the immediate benefit of IFC or to let IFC secretly control or dictate Student Government because we have no need or reason to do that. It would be a serious waste of time and effort to try to control Student Government because it benefits IFC in no immediate Council related operational or business matter. So that’s the truth of the matter from the perspective of how IFC views Student Government and its place in our Council business. Again I know the validity of these claims are immediately questionable by the fact I stated them so feel free to question them but that is the truth of how it really is.

Anyways I appreciate your time if you actually read the entire post and please contact me either personally or via this thread if you have anymore questions on this matter. Or if you generally just want to know more about how IFC really operates or what it does, or if you simply want to call to tell me how much IFC sucks and is the worst entity on this campus go right ahead and do so. Anyways much appreciation to anyone who took this post seriously.

Sincerely,

Chris Mangieri
IFC President
cwmangie@ncsu.edu
774.219.1297

3/24/2006 4:18:50 AM

(what's ifc?)

3/24/2006 10:53:13 AM

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"I'm using the word as it is supposed to be used, without any of the associated baggage. For example: "

yes, i know how you used it
and thinking that was possible just shows how little you understand how ifc works
take a xanax

[Edited on March 24, 2006 at 11:03 AM. Reason : .]

3/24/2006 10:55:20 AM

^^
Inter-Fraternity Council

3/24/2006 11:02:58 AM

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""That, and the fact that he doesn't have to pay tuition, means that he can't really understand what it is to be a rank-and-file student. How can we expect him to be adequately angry about our financial burdens if he does not share them?""

Actually Will has payed for all of his school by getting a scholarship. You can say what you will about a scholarship not being the same as a job during school.....but the reality is he worked for his colllege by working hard in high school to get good grades. In fact many kids who complain of financial burden could have removed some of it .... if not all of it .... by simply applying for scholarships and working harder in high school.

As for the rest of it I could really care less who wins the election because I dont care about SG, but as for people saying Will Quick is a douche just because he is in a frat I would have to completely disaggree. I am 100 percent anti-frat and I actually dislike most frat guys and sorrority girls ( sorristitutes). However, Will Quick is a nice guy.

[Edited on March 24, 2006 at 12:21 PM. Reason : )]

3/24/2006 12:19:47 PM