It's not the lack of wins against UNC and Duke that has always made me dislike Herb to some degree.

It's the fact that the main teams that we lose to OTHER than them are teams that should never even be CLOSE.

Seton Hall? Iowa? Georgia Tech? Wake Forest TWICE? Sure the first two made the tournament (and lost first round), but those are games that we SHOULD have won. We had the team to do it, but once things weren't going our way, we never adjusted.

Hell even Boston College. We shouldn't have lost to BC the second time we played them. If you can beat a team by 18 points, you have no excuse for losing to them the next time around.

4/6/2006 3:10:39 PM

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"when T.A. fumbled the game away against Maryland....boy, they were pissed then too!"

That is the heartbreaker that turned me against UMD more than any team in the country... even OSU and ND.

4/6/2006 3:12:15 PM

that is the game that turned me against T.A.

4/6/2006 3:13:16 PM

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"The whole premise of N.C. State's coaching search is to get somebody who can BEAT Carolina. "

That's funny. For some reason, I remember Texas fans complaining about and wanting Mack Brown fired prior to this year because he couldn't beat Oklahoma. I also remember Ohio State firing their head football coach a couple of years back because he couldn't beat Michigan. Look what happened there. Maybe the same will happen for us in basketball, and quite possibly football.

4/6/2006 3:13:40 PM

it is kinda funny though that we really want a coach that is no better against the teams that herb couldnt beat

4/6/2006 3:16:10 PM

its funny

cause i'm sure everyone will boast boast boast about having him

but then he'll get the blame blame blame when the results don't show up

4/6/2006 3:18:09 PM

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"what some fucks dont understand is that if we can beat UNC and Duke, then the rest of the shit will fall in place. "

Or more likely the other way around

4/6/2006 3:18:10 PM

I would have been thrilled to have lost the three games UNC/Duke last year if we would have beaten all the teams that we had no business losing to, which was pretty much the rest of our losses.

4/6/2006 3:20:37 PM

people in/from texas are pretty much gay

4/6/2006 3:23:22 PM

did nobody in that thread post the obligatory "only two things come from Texas: steers and queers...and I dont see no horns on you boy!"

4/6/2006 3:24:24 PM

i just now saw this thread....


that 3rd post by the Texas people is dead on

gg to him

4/6/2006 3:24:42 PM

rule #1

dont ever say anything nice about anyone from texas

4/6/2006 3:27:02 PM

i remember on gameday earlier last football season how they kept saying mack brown was on the hot seat simply because he couldnt get over the hump w/ OU. if vince young hadnt went out of his mind (or OU had a season up to their standards), mack might not be there this year. so their point ab us letting good coaches go just b/c we cant beat UNC is "bevoshit"

4/6/2006 3:28:13 PM

isnt texas one of the fattest states

4/6/2006 3:28:44 PM

^^^^ not dead on as far as dissing Everett Case

[Edited on April 6, 2006 at 3:30 PM. Reason : ^^]

4/6/2006 3:29:00 PM

that's cute

"bevoshit"

aww


^ ummm, as much as old rednecks from Raleigh call Case the Lord of ACC basketball, the Texas fan is right that he didnt win a single damn NCAA title. if he was so fucking good, why didn't it win it all. I thought the ACC was the best, and if he was the best in the ACC then why couldn't be beat the teams from the other measly conferences? answer that bitch

[Edited on April 6, 2006 at 3:31 PM. Reason : ,]

4/6/2006 3:29:03 PM

i think Houston was recently reported the fattest city in America, but i also heard it was overtaken by Detroit or something. not quite sure though.

4/6/2006 3:29:32 PM

^^^^^^^yeah, except for the part he left out about how everybody wanted mack brown gone because all the texas fucks cared about was beating oklahoma

its like unc looking down on state just because they are pissed that duke looks down on them

and yeah...amato is what, 3-3 against carolina? yeah he will get fired immediately, especially since he wins 80% of his bowl games

fuck texas in the ass man...punk bitches...i wish USC had whooped their asses in hindsight

one of their best running backs ever is a faggot...remind those queers about that

4/6/2006 3:29:41 PM

thanks to Terrance Holt, didnt we beat texas in our last Head to Head Football game?

4/6/2006 3:30:48 PM

yes ev, you are correct my friend

4/6/2006 3:31:19 PM

But before they say anything about Case, who in thier history is half as good as he is? So after you answer nobody, what can they really say about him?

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" From 1946 to 1964, Case-coached teams went 376-133 (.739), won six straight Southern Conference titles, four Atlantic Coast Conference crowns and seven Dixie Classics. Case himself was aptly rewarded, earning three ACC Coach of the Year awards in 1954, 1955 and 1958. Case's teams finished third in the 1947 NIT and third in the 1950 NCAA Tournament. He was inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame on May 3, 1982 and the North Carolina Sports Hall of Fame in 1964 "

What Coach do they have that is comprable to that? SO what if he didnt win any NCAA championships.

4/6/2006 3:34:01 PM

they are from texas...their state was raised on brokeback mountain...fuck texas

4/6/2006 3:35:09 PM

in the 1999 season opener, we beat mack brown, in austin, 23-20. they were #17

[Edited on April 6, 2006 at 3:35 PM. Reason : http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=36&url_subchannel_id=&url_article]

4/6/2006 3:35:39 PM

^tell Panthro to post that link on the rivals site if he can post

4/6/2006 3:37:48 PM

lol.

I'd be insta-banned from the site.

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"1999 Coach: Mack Brown Season: 9-5 Big 12: 6-2 (1st, South Division) Final Ranking: 21st AP; 23rd USA Today/ESPN Aug. 28 (#17) N. Carolina St. L 20-23 Sept. 4 Stanford W 69-17 Sept. 11 @ Rutgers W 38-21 Sept. 18 Rice W 18-13 Sept. 25 (#22) @ Baylor W 62-0 Oct. 2 (#15) #13 Kansas State L 17-35 Oct. 9 (#23) vs. Oklahoma W 38-28 Oct. 23 (#18) #3 Nebraska W 24-20 Oct. 30 (#12) @ Iowa State W 44-41 Nov. 6 (#11) @ Oklahoma State W 34-21 Nov. 13 (#10) Texas Tech W 58-7 Nov. 26 (#7) @ #24 Texas A&M L 16-20 Dec. 4 (#12) vs. #3 Nebraska L 6-22% Jan. 1 (#14) vs. #24 Arkansas L 6-27# % - Big 12 Championship # - Cotton Bowl"

[Edited on April 6, 2006 at 3:42 PM. Reason : asdf]

4/6/2006 3:40:06 PM

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"and yeah...amato is what, 3-3 against carolina? yeah he will get fired immediately, especially since he wins 80% of his bowl games"

ha, thats nothing....only one good bowl out of those

if we go 6-6, his ass better be gone after this season

4/6/2006 3:47:34 PM

in 1903, the squeaked out a 17-0 victory.....over the School for the Deaf (and they talk about our weak schedules)

[Edited on April 6, 2006 at 3:48 PM. Reason : and lost to Translvania in 1905]

4/6/2006 3:48:23 PM

JESUS CHRIST WILL YOU FUCKS DROP THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP BULLSHIT

SAN FRANCISCO UNIVERSITY HAS 2 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS

IF YOU THINK TWO CHAMPIONSHIPS FROM 20-30 YEARS AGO HAS ANY FUCKING BEARING ON FIELDING A DECENT COACH, THEN YOU'RE JUST AS RETARDED AS I REGARD MOST OF WOLFPACK NATION.

4/6/2006 3:54:38 PM

2 NC, 10 ACC champs, the best college player of all time, some of the greatest and founding coaches in the ACC

you're right we suck, we are no better than Shaw

4/6/2006 3:59:08 PM

our football team couldnt even beat uncc

4/6/2006 4:13:03 PM

too bad noone outside ACC country gives 2 craps about that stuff like Everett Case and a bunch of ACC titles won in the 50s.

we are known for:

1. Thompson
2. the '83 lucky shot

hell, thats more than 90% of the programs in this country have. TSN's all-time program rankings have us at #19. i mean, thats pretty good, better than a lot of "great" teams.

youre right, im just being a "tarhole" tho. NCSU should be mentioned in the same breath as Kansas, UNC, Kentucky, and UCLA!

I MEAN, CHRIST PEOPLE, WE WERENT A POWERHOUSE UNDER V. WE LOST TO THE FUCKING TAMPA UNIVERSITY SPARTANS IN 1987.

[Edited on April 6, 2006 at 4:16 PM. Reason : .]

4/6/2006 4:14:28 PM

we haven't legitimately won anything since the 70's

and a lot of people think we cheated then too (paying players)

we are a forgotten program and will NEVER be as good as Duke or Carolina

4/6/2006 4:14:58 PM

we were a powerhouse in the early 70s

but shit, we MADE THE FUCKING ACC...all that shit that unc and duke have now...the titles...the players...the national hype...STATE MADE THE ACC AND MADE DUKE AND UNC IMPROVE IN ORDER TO COMPETE...now nobody is arguing that duke and unc's bball programs havent been better than ours recently...but people think we got lucky in 83 and have always been unc's and duke's bitches...well we havent...i'll bet villanova fans have heard plenty of shit about their basketball program since 1985 and how they havent done shit...well they had a great season this year...better than ours obviously...but nothing is gonna force state to consistently be worse than duke and unc...thats just how it is right now

4/6/2006 4:19:53 PM

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"2 NC, 10 ACC champs, the best college player of all time, some of the greatest and founding coaches in the ACC "

ok, you go back and tell me when these ACC championships were...I know, but I want you to field this one.

best college player of all time, possibly. Is that REALLY a reason for someone to come coach here? because we, on a whim, were able to pull in an incredible athlete in 1972? I'd say no.

And as far as coaches, yeah, I'd say that's pretty outdated, too.

Face it, we ARE the red-headed stepchild.

and again, I'm sorry, but 20-50 year old feats are a little bit obsolete.

Hell, Bill Russell (arguably the best center ever) played at USanFran. there's your David Thompson argument.

4/6/2006 4:20:39 PM

Maravich was a great college player too

he went to LSU...they suck...they didnt even make the Final F-

4/6/2006 4:21:53 PM

Quote :

"ok, you go back and tell me when these ACC championships were...I know, but I want you to field this one. best college player of all time, possibly. Is that REALLY a reason for someone to come coach here? because we, on a whim, were able to pull in an incredible athlete in 1972? I'd say no. And as far as coaches, yeah, I'd say that's pretty outdated, too. Face it, we ARE the red-headed stepchild. and again, I'm sorry, but 20-50 year old feats are a little bit obsolete. Hell, Bill Russell (arguably the best center ever) played at USanFran. there's your David Thompson argument."

Look, you can't pull every one of those out of the whole as a way to marginalize it (not sure what logical fallacy that is).

4/6/2006 4:23:48 PM

^^ a program on the rise.

or a fluke. that remains to be seen.

ha Maravich almost came to State, too

^ I was merely countering his argument, that's all.

[Edited on April 6, 2006 at 4:24 PM. Reason : eh]

4/6/2006 4:24:03 PM

Quote :

"STATE MADE THE ACC AND MADE DUKE AND UNC IMPROVE IN ORDER TO COMPETE"

UNC's always been good. i mean, didnt they win the NC over Wilt in '57? thats pretty early on in the ACC era.

of course, this all stems from you people not being able to accept the fact that we probably wont get Rick Barnes.

4/6/2006 4:24:53 PM

yea people were saying this about Texas when they couldnt beat OK in football all those years

were they saying in the championship game last year that "well their title in the 60's is outdated, lets not even count it...becuase it was in the 60's they will have a terrible outlook"

thats retarded reasoning

4/6/2006 4:25:10 PM

Look, all I'm saying is that our legacy is stale.

there are kids on here really trying to say we are relevant right now, and pinning our mediocrity solely on Herb Sendek.

^that's not the angle I'm taking. I'm just saying that pinning the last 10 years' mediocrity on Herb Sendek is retarded. We aren't going to be UNC, Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, etc, in basketball. We just aren't.

[Edited on April 6, 2006 at 4:27 PM. Reason : eh]

4/6/2006 4:26:05 PM

texas has been strong in fb pretty much every decade

i mean, their worst years are on par with our current teams.

dear god i wish we would just sign brady and shut everyone up

[Edited on April 6, 2006 at 4:28 PM. Reason : .]

4/6/2006 4:26:07 PM

Who cares? They live in Texas for fuck's sake.

4/6/2006 4:26:53 PM

i dont even think we will get Barnes, matter of fact I wish we could get someone to come in that no one knows and does just a tremendous job and makes everyone say where did this guy come from and who is he?

Im not gonna sit there and come up with all the facts i could

4/6/2006 4:27:11 PM

oh, we're getting Barnes


i'm still 99% sure of it

4/6/2006 4:31:36 PM

We may have a fixation about beating Carolina but If im remembering correctly their were some UT fans that wanted Mack Brown out as coach before this year b/c he couldnt beat Oklahoma in football. Isn't that the same thing?

4/6/2006 4:44:21 PM

These old championships dont matter, no.


But, our fans have always been around. They've been around in the good years, and they've suffered through the bad years. We're ready to get back to being good and exciting again. What better place to come coach than a place with enthusiastic fans?

Not that we're the best fans, but at least we'll be there and loud if we ever get back to the top.




This isnt like UNCC going out to hire the best coach in the nation. This is a former powerhouse trying to get back to the top. Who cares if we've sucked for 15 years....at least we've been good before.

[Edited on April 6, 2006 at 4:46 PM. Reason : ]

4/6/2006 4:44:46 PM

Quote :

"We may have a fixation about beating Carolina but If im remembering correctly their were some UT fans that wanted Mack Brown out as coach before this year b/c he couldnt beat Oklahoma in football. Isn't that the same thing?"

ITS EXACTLY THE SAME

4/6/2006 4:45:49 PM

so were we not good during the Sendek era?

4/6/2006 4:46:42 PM

and correct me if I'm wrong but their is not a damn thing wrong with wanting to beat your rival.. damn UT fans

4/6/2006 4:46:56 PM

maybe you need a rival time out

or a substitution rival

i would say Wake Forest

but lets see how the future plays out

4/6/2006 4:47:48 PM