haha, he did give up about 5 or 6 of the jacks, but i don't remember how many runs... so it was probaly close

4/13/2006 6:14:19 PM

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"and you can proove this?"

there's more evidence to support this than there is to support the claims that Barry Bonds is juicing. At least one person who told a congressional hearing that he didn't use steroids has tested positive since.

You can deny it all you want, but it's the reality of the situation. And I agree with everyone else that you're taking this bullshit way too seriously. Juiced up big swingers are the only thing that attracts fans anymore. Would you rather lose the entire sport in order to save the legacy of an alcoholic?

4/13/2006 6:52:43 PM

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"You can deny it all you want"

Quote :

"i'm sure there are dudes who still juice up"

for the love of god

i'm not denying anything

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"Would you rather lose the entire sport in order to save the legacy of an alcoholic"

last time i checked no one outside of san francisco supports bonds*

not even MLB

and who cares if babe was an alcoholic, there are far more alcoholics in baseball history than there are steroids users

if nothing else, it makes his accomplishments all the more remarkable -- imagine what he would have done sober

moreover, alcoholism is a far different beast than steroid use, one is a nasty habit that makes you (at least in theory) less able to perform, the other is a performance-enhancing drug that has irrevocably tarnished the game

any comparison of babe's alcoholism to bonds' (or anyone else's) steroid use is ridiculous

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" And I agree with everyone else that you're taking this bullshit way too seriously"

and by everyone else i assume you mean one guy, Shadowrunner, who knows dick about sports

[Edited on April 13, 2006 at 7:02 PM. Reason : ]

4/13/2006 7:01:47 PM

hopefully he will wise up and realize taking those steroids was the best thing he ever did for himself

4/13/2006 7:02:40 PM

how do you figure that

4/13/2006 7:03:50 PM

he hit all them homeruns dur

4/13/2006 7:06:13 PM

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"moreover, alcoholism is a far different beast than steroid use, one is a nasty habit that makes you (at least in theory) less able to perform, the other is a performance-enhancing drug that has irrevocably tarnished the game "

yeah, alcohol makes people turn into fat blobs that strike out a lot and can't field the ball worth shit, yet people still idolize them. steroids actually make the game fun to watch, and we can't be having that, no sir.

4/13/2006 7:06:35 PM

and thereby ruined his life, his legacy, his body, and maybe a first-ballot trip to cooperstown

dude was a hall of famer before he started juicing

worst fucking idea ever

4/13/2006 7:07:28 PM

nah i hope hits like 1000 homeruns

4/13/2006 7:08:17 PM

i'm starting to realize you're one of those people who watch baseball just to see balls get knocked out of the yard

as amusing as that is, there are way more exciting and enjoyable things in the game

your opinion isn't worth shit, go watch some home run derby replays

that should keep you happy

[Edited on April 13, 2006 at 7:11 PM. Reason : eleusis]

4/13/2006 7:11:12 PM

home run derby sucks, who wants to watch a bunch of dudes hit homeruns

[Edited on April 13, 2006 at 7:12 PM. Reason : oh, i didnt see that dude post, my bad]

4/13/2006 7:11:53 PM

eleusis does

and you realize that bonds* is also a 'fat blob that strike out a lot and can't field the ball worth shit' now that his body has broken down

hooray steroids

4/13/2006 7:12:59 PM

actually, steroids do a hell of a lot more than allow people to hit homers. they make people run faster, throw harder, and heal quicker. it allows for top tier pitchers to be able to pitch again after 4 days, or for players to throw from the wall to home plate or steal more bases. I used to like watching Jose Conseco steal bases more than anything, and that wouldn't have happened without steroids. Hell, he probably wouldn't have made it out of the minors without juice.

4/13/2006 7:15:25 PM

yeah i know that

they also destroy your body

cons > pros

4/13/2006 7:16:15 PM

maybe you ought to realize that all baseball players look like that by the end of their careers. they either end up with nagging injuries that finally take over, or they lose their metabolism and have trouble keeping their weight proportional.

4/13/2006 7:16:46 PM

steroids don't destroy your body. maybe you should read up on them instead of regurgitating ESPN and DARE bullshit.

4/13/2006 7:17:40 PM

no they don't

not all baseball players wear a size 38 hat just because they're 40

julio franco never juiced, look at him

4/13/2006 7:17:56 PM

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"When the body experiences a build up of steroids in its system, conditions such as hypertension, high cholesterol, kidney disease, stunted growth, and heart damage are likely to occur. Women can experience irreversible deepening of the voice, shrinking of the breasts, menstrual irregularities, baldness and hair growth on other parts of the body, and genital swelling. Men can experience baldness, breast enlargement, sterility, shrinking of testicles and impotence. Steroids such as prednisone and other synthetic steroids, can cause a rise in blood sugar by blocking the effect of insulin. Over time, users can develop diabetes."

http://www.acde.org/common/Steroids.htm

4/13/2006 7:19:43 PM

Julio Franco plays first base though.

It's not like the man has to do much more than move 3-4 feet.

4/13/2006 7:20:43 PM

true

but he was an infielder for most of his career

4/13/2006 7:21:47 PM

the part about women is true and is almost unavoidable. The shit about the negative side effects might have been true in the sixties and seventies when ancillary drugs weren't prevalent. Now all of that stuff can be hindered. Aromatase inhibitors and selective estrogen receptor modulators can combat the gynocomastia, hypertension, and high cholseterol. stunted growth is more of a myth than anything, and it doesn't apply to males much past the age of 20 because their growth plates have sealed. baldness can be prevented by DHT blockers such as finasteride and dutasteride. impotence and testicular shrinkage can be prevented by using HCG, or you can just leave it alone and use it as male birth control and start using HCG after your cycle to get everything working normally again. kidney problems are usually caused by shitty diet and not drinking enough water, and adding enough water to the diet alleviates that. as far as steroids blocking insulin, I've never heard of that outside of corticosteroids, and they actually waste muscle instead of building it.

The only way steroids destroy the body is by allowing the muscular frame to grow faster than the tendons do, which results in some people in chronic knee, elbow, back, and shoulder injuries. This is usually a result moreso of people using too much juice for too long, not just from using it. They never allow the rest of their body to catch up.

If steroids were so bad, they wouldn't be prescribed to aging men, HIV positive people, muscular dystrophy sufferers, etc.

4/13/2006 7:28:37 PM

look

i'm not gonna pretend i know what the fuck you said there

i'm glad you know a lot about steriods

but i have a feeling the American Council for Drug Education knows what they're talking about

4/13/2006 7:30:53 PM

yeah, I'm sure a government body knows what's best for the human body. Unless you want to take a look at current drug laws in America or the fucked up dietary guidelines specified in the food pyramid.

4/13/2006 7:32:57 PM

[Edited on April 13, 2006 at 9:03 PM. Reason : nm, made a thread]

4/13/2006 8:59:53 PM

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"yeah, alcohol makes people turn into fat blobs that strike out a lot and can't field the ball worth shit, yet people still idolize them. steroids actually make the game fun to watch, and we can't be having that, no sir."

You don't know what you're talking about. Ruth had a .968 career fielding percentage. That's not gold glove winning, but it's not as bad as you'd make it out to be. Listening to you, he struck out 3 times a game while committing 4 errors.

Andruw Jones, 7 time gold glove winning center fielder, has a career .989 percentage. The difference between .968 and .989 isn't that much. It separates a great fielder from an average one, but Ruth wasn't as bad as you make him out to be.

4/13/2006 10:00:45 PM

THE MAN'S HEAD IS HUUUUUGE

[Edited on April 14, 2006 at 9:19 AM. Reason : .]

4/14/2006 9:18:18 AM

LONG LIVE BONDS..THE GREATEST TO SWING A BAT......fuck babe ruth's fat bloated ass

4/15/2006 11:07:37 AM

Babe Ruth did what he did in an era of shitty pitchers.

4/15/2006 11:09:13 AM

because christy mathewson and walter johnson were such shit

4/15/2006 11:16:40 AM

So Bonds just wants to pass the GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME on the homerun list. I guess I don't really blame him, but if he does pass Ruth, it's not like folks will forget about the Babe and remember him instead. Bonds actually said something to that effect once.

If you dispute the GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME title that Babe Ruth holds, take a look at his pitching stats.

4/15/2006 11:22:40 AM

agreed, its not like passing ruth is going to erase his name from the lists

oh, and bonds comments about pedro gomez were great today...gomez has been hounding Bonds for the past two years, his only job is to break news on barry, I'd get a little sick of some dude putting his nose in my business every single day if I were him too

4/15/2006 12:17:39 PM

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"because christy mathewson and walter johnson were such shit "

so are you claiming those pitchers are as good as the ones today? How come no one has batted over .400 in 65 years? because of hitting getting worse?

4/15/2006 1:01:43 PM

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"so are you claiming those pitchers are as good as the ones today? How come no one has batted over .400 in 65 years? because of hitting getting worse?"

Those pitchers were used differently as ones are today. Those guys didn't have as much rest and pitched more innings than pitchers today. This is not to say that weren't as good as pitchers today, because they were on the level or better. It just means that because they pitched so much more, they got tired quicker and may not have had their best "stuff" as often because of it.

4/15/2006 1:12:14 PM

Sorry to spoil the "Great White Hope" but Ruth is/was not the best of all time. Especially when he didnt play against Dominicans and other nationalities. Give it up people

4/15/2006 2:36:32 PM

Wow, you really sealed the deal with that argument.

4/15/2006 2:45:12 PM

whites are the master race anyway

RIGHT?

4/15/2006 2:56:22 PM

whats this about broken bones in his elbow? yea....

[Edited on April 15, 2006 at 2:58 PM. Reason : 2]

4/15/2006 2:58:52 PM

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"Those pitchers were used differently as ones are today. Those guys didn't have as much rest and pitched more innings than pitchers today. This is not to say that weren't as good as pitchers today, because they were on the level or better. It just means that because they pitched so much more, they got tired quicker and may not have had their best "stuff" as often because of it. "

There might have been a few pitchers during that era that could have played today in some fashion, but I find it hard to claim that the best pitchers of that era would have compared to the greatest pitchers of this era. If so, then they would go against the grain of every other single athletic event in the history of sports. Try to think of one single sport that doesn't have better athletes today than it did half a century ago. Most of this is a result of the training getting better, diet and specialized exercise getting better, and state of the art equipment being around to help the player develop aspects of their game.

As far as the pitchers being overworked back then, you're right about that. coaches and trainers didn't understand the concepts of healing time and fatigue very well back then. It was similar to how training for powerlifting and olympic weightlifting has evolved. 50 years ago people lifted their event lifts twice a day every day. now most of the top competitors only train each movement on it's separate day, and only do it once a week. as a result, the amount of weight people are capable of lifting during meets now has almost doubled.

4/15/2006 4:15:08 PM

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"whats this about broken bones in his elbow?"

As someone who has broken his elbow twice, I will tell you it is possible and it is painful.

4/15/2006 4:21:28 PM

It's bone chips. I've had them. Incredibly painful...

He said today that if he needs surgery he will retire.

Personally I think he is done.. not even going to pass Ruth.

4/17/2006 4:58:05 PM

4 HOMERUNS UNTIL THE DEMISE OF BARRY BONDS

4/24/2006 9:13:26 AM

3 MORE HOMERUNS UNTIL BARRY BONDS DIES

4/25/2006 10:43:23 PM

Barry Lamar Bonds is your daddy!

4/25/2006 11:24:01 PM

i had that barry bonds card, that was posted up there. and his rookie card.



[Edited on April 25, 2006 at 11:26 PM. Reason : 456hsddf]

4/25/2006 11:25:12 PM

4/26/2006 12:35:32 AM

^ hahahahahahahaha

2 HOME RUNS UNTIL BARRY DIES IN HIS SLEEP

4/26/2006 6:54:39 PM

HAHA HA
Barry fucking bonds*

who wants to take credit for the asterik idea because it is great
we need " barry bonds* " t-shirts

but wait then we would have to watch him cry on national tv again

so scratch that

4/26/2006 7:11:23 PM

what a
fag*

4/26/2006 7:12:20 PM

barry's not done yet

fuckin crushin balls, 3 more feet and it woulda been upper deck

5/7/2006 9:41:03 PM

Yeah turned it just in time to see him come up and CRUSH that ball, haha.

5/7/2006 9:44:08 PM