TOTALLY AGREE:

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" nothing he wrote is incorrect "an overrated program built to unrealistic heights by coaches who cheated" check "with an overbearing fan base" check "he presence of Duke and North Carolina 30 miles away, and this job is a killer." check "

5/16/2006 10:25:55 PM

rules are rules fag, they are there for a reason and thuggin around trying to bend them is not going to help you

breaking rules = cheating

5/16/2006 10:25:57 PM

so I guess we shouldn't count any of Dukes titles since Maggette was paid for...

[Edited on May 16, 2006 at 10:29 PM. Reason : omg! k broke a rule]

5/16/2006 10:26:42 PM

I never agreed with the details of his comments. simply that we are probably the #1 or #2 most difficult job in the country.

We weren't a dirty program during our National Championships but we weren't squeaky clean either. Someone went into details on the DT bit earlier on a PP thread and there was more to it than just the pickup game. Ignore the comments meant to inflame State fans and look at the overall point, that the job is damn near a losing situation... not the best odds for success, really.

5/16/2006 10:29:12 PM

So playing a pickup game makes State a cheating program? You must have to work on being that stupid.

5/16/2006 10:32:06 PM

not my law, NCAA

in my opinion, Ohio state has never done anything wrong, but thats not the facts

you pack fans kill the messenger too much, thats why we arent in the 'cool club'

[Edited on May 16, 2006 at 10:35 PM. Reason : y]

5/16/2006 10:34:12 PM

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"So playing a pickup game makes State a cheating program? You must have to work on being that stupid."

Can you fucking read? I didn't say that. In fact, I said the opposite. (realized you were talking to BHS). Don't be naive as to think we weren't doing some underhnaded crap though. The point of the article was not to call us a cheat but to decide the hardest coaching jobs in the country. He's just trolling the fuck out of people like you and you are falling hook, line, and sinker. Get the fuck over it and actually look at the meat of the article.

[Edited on May 16, 2006 at 10:36 PM. Reason : .]

5/16/2006 10:35:36 PM

It's a stupid rule that was later repealed. Where does that make State a cheater?

Just because a dumb whore and a penis with ears agrees with you doesn't make you right.

5/16/2006 10:37:05 PM

The DT thing was:

- Free rides to visit campus
- "Pickup game" with an assistant coach.... after his LOI was signed... so we weren't exactly "trying him out". I believe it was during his freshman orientation
- Room & Board free of cost on an unofficial visit (Which, in actuality, he came up here and spent the night with 2 of his best friends from high school in thier dorm and didn't tell our coaching staff...which was illegal)

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" North Carolina State University, Raleigh, North Carolina WEREAS, the NCAA Committee on infractions has investigated alleged violations of the Association's legislation on the part of North Carolina State University and has reported its findings to the NCAA Council; WHERAS, the Council has found North Carolina State University to have violated the provisions governing recruiting [NCAA Bylaw l-l-(a)], in that: 1. While working at a summer job during the period July 31 - August 6, 1971, a prospective student-athlete stayed cost-free in a University dormitory room which was utilized at that time to house counselors in the summer basketball camp operated by the University's head basketball coach. 2. On August 6, 1971, a prospective student-athlete was transported cost-free from the University's campus (site of a summer camp) to his hometown in an automobile used in the summer basketball camp operated by the University's head basketball coach. WHEREAS, the Council has found North Carolina State University to have violated the provisions governing recruiting [NCAA Bylaws l-l-(a) and 1-3], in that: 1. During the summer 1970, three prospective student-athletes served as counselors in the summer basketball camp operated by the University's head basketball coach; these three young men had just completed their senior years in high school and therefore were ineligible to serve as counselors under the Association's summer camp interpretations; WHEREAS, the Council has found North Carolina State University to have violated the provisions governing recruiting [NCAA Bylaws l-l-(a), l-5-(b) and l-5-(c)], in that: 1. On June 13, 1971, a prospective student-athlete was transported to the University's campus by a representative of the University's athletic interests in order to attend freshman orientation. This was the second visit at the expense of a University athletic representative. After it was determined that he was not eligible for the orientation, he remained on the campus for five days staying cost-free in a dormitory room which was utilized at that time to house counselors in the summer basketball camp operated by the University's head basketball coach. WHEREAS, the Council has found North Carolina State University to have violated the provisions governing recruiting [NCAA Bylaws l-5-(b) and l-1-(h)], in that: 1. During August 1970, a representative of the University's athletic interests transported a prospective student-athlete between his home and the institution's campus, and was reimbursed by the University for the cost of this transportation. 2. During May 1971, a representative of the University's athletic interests transported three prospective student-athletes between their homes and the institution's campus, and was reimbursed by the University for the cost of this transportation. WHEREAS, the Council has found North Carolina State University to have violated the provisions governing recruiting [NCAA Bylaw 1-3], in that: 1. During the period August 1-6, 1971, an assistant basketball coach participated in at least one informal basketball game with five prospective student-athletes during which these young men revealed, demonstrated and displayed their abilities in the sport of basketball, WHEREAS, the Council has found North Carolina State University to have violated the provisions governing recruiting [NCAA Bylaw l-6-(a)], in that: 1. During the summer 1970, the University awarded financial assistance to two prospective student-athletes in order for the young men to attend the second session of the institution's summer school. WHEREAS, the Council has concluded that the University's head basketball coach and an assistant coach were in a position to prohibit or avoid several of these violations; WHEREAS, the Council recognizes that a member institution is responsible for any actions of its athletic representatives in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes; WHEREAS, the Council has noted the consideration given to this case by the commissioner of the Atlantic Coast Conference; believes that his efforts give meaning to the cooperative principles and philosophy of the NCAA enforcement program, and has appropriately considered them in arriving at its conclusions; WHEREAS, the Council has noted that the NCAA's findings in this case include violations in addition to those considered by the Atlantic Coast Conference commissioner; WHEREAS, the Council also supports and is directed by the NCAA policy which provides that in cases of serious and numerous violations, the NCAA should take punitive action; NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Council reprimand and censure North Carolina State University and place the institution on probation for a period of one year from this date (October 24, 1972), it being understood that prior to the expiration of this probationary period the NCAA Committee on Infractions shall review the athletic policies and practices of the institution; BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that during the period of this probation, the University's intercollegiate basketball team shall end its season with the playing of the last, regularly-scheduled, inseason game and it shall not be eligible to participate in any postseason basketball competition; BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED, that record be made of the excellent assistance and cooperation extended to the NCAA and its Committee on Infractions by North Carolina State University and the commissioner of the Atlantic Coast Conference. "

https://goomer.ncaa.org/wdbctx/LSDBi/LSDBI.home

Click "major Infractions"... North Carolina State University... blah blah

[Edited on May 16, 2006 at 10:45 PM. Reason : ]

5/16/2006 10:37:31 PM

"Underhanded crap." I'm sure that the NCAA would like to know the facts behind your insinuations.

5/16/2006 10:38:33 PM

WHEREAS BITCHES, WHEREAS

5/16/2006 10:38:59 PM

BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED, MUTHAFUCKA

5/16/2006 10:40:20 PM

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"- Free rides to visit campus - "Pickup game" with an assistant coach.... after his LOI was signed... so we weren't exactly "trying him out". I believe it was during his freshman orientation - Room & Board free of cost on an unofficial visit (Which, in actuality, he came up here and spent the night with 2 of his best friends from high school in thier dorm and didn't tell our coaching staff...which was illegal)"

STATE SHOULD HAVE THEIR PROGRAM DISBANDED FOR THIS!!!!

5/16/2006 10:40:22 PM

1) so what it's too hard? to coach? what a bunch of fuckin crybabies..God-forbid life should be a challenge. Dear Greg, Those who can't coach...write for CBS.

2) and another thing, I don't give a shit if Norm Sloan and Jimmy V did cheat. not a flying fuck. Let Sidney cheat. As long as they cheat, don't get caught, and deliver, I don't care. These kids go to school to play ball and make money for the school, who are we kidding. an education is secondary. Look at the big programs out there right now, how many do you really believe are 100% legit? So much gets swept under the rug.

5/16/2006 10:42:34 PM

FWIW, the 1983 one and the Everette Case violations are on that website as well.

5/16/2006 10:43:34 PM

^^people like you are what mediocrity strives for

how can you accept a program or a coach that lacks the simple integrity to, you know, respect the sport he coaches



[Edited on May 16, 2006 at 10:45 PM. Reason : j]

5/16/2006 10:44:32 PM

don't give me that...who are you kidding? integrity? today?

5/16/2006 10:46:11 PM

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"STATE SHOULD HAVE THEIR PROGRAM DISBANDED FOR THIS!!!!"

Nah, just probation.

5/16/2006 10:46:44 PM

^^says you

if we cheat i hope we get the shit busted out of us, hopefully Lowe isnt that much of a lowlife scoundrel

[Edited on May 16, 2006 at 10:50 PM. Reason : j]

5/16/2006 10:47:49 PM

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"who are you kidding? integrity? today?"

Yeah, crazy concept.

5/16/2006 10:49:54 PM

INTEGRITY GETS ONE ON A VERY HOT SEAT

5/16/2006 10:50:39 PM

HERB WAS PUT ON THE HOT SEAT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WIN SHIT

5/16/2006 10:53:29 PM

as former ECU coach bill herion told me (before he got canned) at a conference

"you can have a clean program, you can graduate players, but if you can't win, you ain't gonna do shit"

fired 1 season later

5/16/2006 10:55:48 PM

he DID win

those great games v.s. Mt Olive, Notre Dame, and Seton Hall

....ack

5/16/2006 10:56:29 PM

haha that picture up there looks like herb is sweeping a floor. which is ironic. always cleaning up.

5/16/2006 11:04:21 PM

there is no doubt that all athletics across the nation bend the rules.

its funny that kids that can ball from harlem are rolling to basketball practice in decked out expeditions...

if a coach wants to be successful, they have to compete and paint a nicer picture than the other school and the pros...

5/16/2006 11:12:06 PM

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"HERB WAS PUT ON THE HOT SEAT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WIN SHIT"

This is a good example of why NCSU is the #1 or #2 hardest coaching job... he went to 5 straight tournaments and averaged more than 20 wins a season. Folks, that is winning. But only in this specific location and in this specific situation is it not enough. People want to win just 50% of the games against UNC and Duke, but no one does that... no one. Hell, if my memory serves me right the much heralded Rick Barnes has basically the same record against UNC/Roy and Duke/K that Herb has. These are the sort of factors that make NC State such a tough job.

5/16/2006 11:20:10 PM

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" HOW IN THE FUCK DID NC STATE CHEAT TO WIN THEIR NATIONAL TITLES? "

doyle never says that

dumbass

5/16/2006 11:23:48 PM

if making more then 1 sweet sixteen in fucking 10 years is considered high expectations... then yeah, I have high expectations.

I didn't expect Herb to beat Roy 1/2 the time... but I did expect him to maybe be somewhat close to winning one of those games.

[Edited on May 16, 2006 at 11:24 PM. Reason : s]

5/16/2006 11:23:56 PM

fuck 20 win seasons. He didn't hang a single banner worth bragging about. one sweet sixteen appreance is all he gave us in 10 years, and only one other coach in the history of the ACC has ever stuck around so long after doing so little.

5/16/2006 11:24:34 PM

^^^

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"... unrealistic heights by coaches who cheated"

close enough.

[Edited on May 16, 2006 at 11:25 PM. Reason : s]

5/16/2006 11:25:36 PM

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"^^people like you are what mediocrity strives for how can you accept a program or a coach that lacks the simple integrity to, you know, respect the sport he coaches"

I bet half you fuckers that have this view love NASCAR. And everybody fucking knows that EVERYONE cheats in NASCAR.

fucking hypocrites

5/17/2006 12:05:13 AM

what the fuck is your stupid ass talking about

i think that is the most fearfully retarded 'logic' ive heard in my lifespan

[Edited on May 17, 2006 at 12:06 AM. Reason : f]

5/17/2006 12:05:37 AM

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"close enough."

no, it isn't

5/17/2006 12:18:50 AM

While I agree with the idea that NCSU is a tough school to coach at, I'm not sure how I feel about his tone.

Like, right here...

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"The Wolfpack is to college basketball what Clemson is to college football -- an overrated program built to unrealistic heights by coaches who cheated, with an overbearing fan base too biased to see that reality."

Did Clemson bring bigtime football to the Southeast and the ACC the way State did with basketball?

5/17/2006 12:37:10 AM

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"I bet half you fuckers that have this view love NASCAR. And everybody fucking knows that EVERYONE cheats in NASCAR. fucking hypocrites "

is this a serious response??

ahaha holy shit. WOW

5/17/2006 12:42:54 AM

^yeah seriously

i dont even consider nascar a sport

5/17/2006 1:14:11 AM

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"doyle never says that"

What does this mean, exactly?

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"unrealistic heights by coaches who cheated"

[Edited on May 17, 2006 at 1:23 AM. Reason : I'll be nice]

5/17/2006 1:18:07 AM

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"Look at Texas' Rick Barnes, clearly one of the best coaches in recent NCAA history. Yet at Clemson from 1995-98 he won 20 games just once, and he went a lousy 28-36 in ACC games -- which is still by far the best ACC record in Clemson history."

Herb's record was better than Rick Barnes in the ACC.

Fire Barnes!

5/17/2006 1:40:33 AM

[Edited on May 17, 2006 at 9:52 AM. Reason : -]

5/17/2006 9:49:26 AM

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"the most prominent program in college basketball, period"

UCLA STRONGLY DISAGREES

5/17/2006 9:54:18 AM

Yeah, what about UCLA?

They ran Lavin's ass outta town based on one season pretty much.

Talk about prestige and pressure....they have it in spades.

5/17/2006 9:56:33 AM

i'm referring to msb talking about we are 20 minutes away from the best program in the last 20 years (Duke...cant really argue...3 titles)...and the "most prominent program in college basketball, period" referring to UNC...not that UNC isnt really good...but Indiana has 5 titles...Kentucky has 7 titles...and UCLA has 11 friggin titles, including a string of 7 consecutive titles...so I would not call UNC the most prominent program in college basketball...not at all

5/17/2006 10:00:41 AM

i'm not going to say it is

but your argument is once again proof that to you folks

its a championship or nothing...

5/17/2006 10:04:40 AM

Not necessarily a championship or nothing. Let me help.

For every win State picked up that it "shouldn't have" under Herb, there were 3 losses that we "should have" won. And I'm being pretty fucking generous by giving that ratio.

A 20-win season on the back of several greuling contests against Mary's School for Blind Girls isn't impressive. Especially when some of the losses from that same 20-win came in a non conference game against Edna's School for Crippled Boys.

5/17/2006 10:20:57 AM

^^its a championship or nothing when UNC is talking about how they're the best program ever and I rub their noses in UCLA shit

5/17/2006 10:59:39 AM

if we ever start beating UNC and Duke consistently once a year

then everyone will wonder why we can't beat them twice a year consistently

and if we started doing that for some reason

then we'd probably lose all the other games

5/17/2006 11:08:16 AM

Yeah the thought of success is just an awful, awful burden.

5/17/2006 12:09:52 PM

^^stupid logic.

my last post was 1/2 serious. I don't consider NASCAR a sport either (or at the very least entertaining), however a lot of "sports talk" guys on TWW do. And cheating is very prominent there, and no one cares.

5/17/2006 1:05:19 PM

NASCAR is not a sport

but auto racing is

5/17/2006 1:10:31 PM