im sorry, but last summer in NC was fucking miserable

i don't know ANYONE that enjoyed those days with 110+ heat indeces

it all depends on what you hate more, snow or opressive humidity

both pretty much suck in my opinion

5/18/2006 1:50:50 PM

^^^ you're the one who's making yourself look stupid. our winters are shorter and less cold than northern winters. it also doesn't snow much down here. we have a warmer average temperature year round. the air is much cleaner. seriously, we have much better weather in nc than some places up north. these are undeniable fact, not opinions. look at the weather almanacs.

5/18/2006 1:53:37 PM

it's also hotter and more humid

5/18/2006 1:56:09 PM

on average, it's not that much hotter in the summer here than it is in the north.

this site indexes weather information on 2,000 cities around the world:
http://www.worldclimate.com/

5/18/2006 1:57:29 PM

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" it's all the fucking same along the east coast except for maybe Maine and Florida cold, shitty winters and muggy, hot summers "

5/18/2006 2:00:21 PM

yeah, i got that. it doesn't matter how many times you repost it, and bold it. you're still wrong.

5/18/2006 2:04:15 PM

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"you're the one who's making yourself look stupid. our winters are shorter and less cold than northern winters. it also doesn't snow much down here. we have a warmer average temperature year round."

That's because a typical "winter" week in NC is: 40, 60, 30, 30, 70, 55, 40

It's absolutely terrible, not to mention how everyone starts wearing seven layers the second it drops below 50.

The nice thing about the north is that once it gets cold, it stays cold.

5/18/2006 2:06:03 PM

well, i guess that's a preferential thing. i don't see what's wrong with a short, warmer winter. the flucuations in the temperature on a day-to-day basis, can be annoying though.

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5/18/2006 2:10:33 PM

i didn't read the whole thread but "lol" to how this got on the topic of weather

5/18/2006 2:51:31 PM

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"They just don't like you."

5/18/2006 2:52:53 PM

One thing that I hate, is people bitching about where they live.

Last time I checked, you could move freely about the country.

And nobody wants to see any of you grad student fucks mention that you are gonna get your degree and leave. I am pretty sure that most of you had to agree in written form at some point of your intentions to remain in NC in order to receive your stipend, unless of course you were too stupid to get a stipend.

5/18/2006 2:58:58 PM

It isn't where you are from or where you are right now, all that matters is how much $ you got

5/18/2006 3:00:37 PM

MN is part of the "midwest" and deserves a whole different kind of stereotype.

A lot of southerners who go up north think that northerners are jerks towards southerners, but in actuality northerners are jerks towards everyone equally.

5/18/2006 3:07:12 PM

I'm from the South (lived in NC all my life), but my parents are from Jersey and I've got a lot of family and a couple of friends up that way. I get the occasional good-natured joking about being a Southerner, but I've not encountered any actual dislike toward Southerners in the time I've spent up there. The people seem less "friendly" as a whole, but I think it's just the way the northern culture is. Some of my northern relatives get kinda freaked out when they're down here and, say, a cashier at the grocery store tries to strike up a conversation, thinking they're either being artificially nice/fake, or being *way* too invasive. A lot of it is just what you get used to.

Then again, if you're talking about Minnesota, I'd be much more inclined to call it the midwest than the north. Yes, it is pretty far north, but I think "northern" generally translates to "northeastern" to folks around here.

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5/18/2006 3:25:31 PM

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"do people really think the weather in NC is better than up North? it's all the fucking same along the east coast except for maybe Maine and Florida cold, shitty winters and muggy, hot summers it's all the same, so quit making yourself look stupid"

DO YOU SERIOUSLY NEED ANY MORE PROOF AS TO WHY YOU'RE A RETARD....I GREW UP IN PENNSYLVANIA I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE WEATHER IS MUCH BETTER DOWN HERE......THE WARM WEATHER HERE LASTS 9 MONTHS.....AS OPPOSED TO PA WHEN THE WARM WEATHER IS ONLY 4 MONTHS.....NOT TO MENTION THAT SNOWS 1 INCH PER YEAR DOWN HERE AS OPPOSED TO 1 INCH PER DAY UP THERE....WHAT A FUCKING IDIOT

5/18/2006 5:06:55 PM

Having now lived in every time zone in the contiguous US I'd say that people are about the same everywhere. The difference in behaivor between rural-urban populations is more noticable to me than North-South, Southeast-Northeast, or whatever.

5/18/2006 7:37:30 PM

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"it all depends on what you hate more, snow or opressive humidity both pretty much suck in my opinion "

5/18/2006 10:00:21 PM

i think there are more people in the south that hate northerners than northerners that hate southerners

5/18/2006 10:11:32 PM

yeah and people on the east coast hate people from the west coast, whereas people from the west coast don't care about anybody but themselves

5/18/2006 10:15:35 PM

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"i was making fun of the buffalo people who make fun of us then move here"

To be fair, I did'nt know that I hated southern people untill I moved here from NewYork.

5/19/2006 8:46:56 PM

Well i'm from buffalo and actually pretty proud to be a NYer.... and as ass backwards as this sounds; i tell everyone who asks anything me moving from the north to the south - If the north was so great we'd all stay there! I'm not southern but i got here as fast as i could, and i like southern people just fine.

5/19/2006 10:22:24 PM

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"(ALTHOUGH, there's something to be said of a cute little jersey skank with a purple scrunchie in her hair and dark circles around her eyes from a vitamin deficiency )"

this made me LOL because the girl I used to like from jersey had huge circles around their eyes...wtf is up with them and that

5/19/2006 11:26:15 PM

they move here for the weather and cost of living, not for you hucklebucks.

5/19/2006 11:43:19 PM

Air conditioning killed the "old South". Prior to that, no one wanted to put up with our summers, it was easy to weather the winter with heat than the summer with no A/C.

Either way, the South is (was? perhaps sadly) simply a more entertaining place to live.

The biggest menace to the flavor of any local culture is the swarm of yuppie locusts that descends on Forbes "best place to live in America" and whose shallow pursuit of materialism leaves behind their filthy excriment of cheap strip malls and bland subdivisions.

5/20/2006 6:22:56 AM

^

I'm sure those "yuppie locusts" are the ones that have turned every small town in the South into nothing but hovels of Wal-Marts and chain restaurants.

More likely the "flavor of the local culture" has been destroyed by the local people themselves. Most culture comes from necessity, and in the age of infinite cheap shit, it's going the way of the Do-Do.

But good job keeping up the ages-old tradition of die-hard Southerners blaming everyone but themselves for their own demise.

5/20/2006 7:32:57 AM

^ Fair engough Smkr, but I didn't qualify "Yuppie" with a geographic location. It is definately an economic issue. Rural landholders (farmers or whatever) find their property taxes go up when their land becomes valuable due to nearby development (probably by Southern developers) his son has moved away and won't be coming back, he's getting too old to work, what does he do? Sell it, it makes sense. Wal-Mart itself is a Southern invention. Sammy W. thought he'd help out poor Southerners by giving them access to the cheapest goods he could find. Unfortunately for them, it was towels from China, not Kannapolis, furniture from Taiwan, not North Carolina. Essentially, they bought themselves out of their own jobs. I understand the economics behind it, but it doesn't mean I do not lament it and the cheap materialism that comes with it.

5/20/2006 8:08:10 AM

either way gargs isnt in the, he's in the midwest minnesota is not the north in any way shape or form.

5/20/2006 8:45:46 AM

most people consider people from the midwest and west coast to be Yankees.

5/20/2006 9:20:14 AM

I can't blame them. I'm from the south and I don't like southerners.

5/20/2006 10:55:10 AM

most people??? = southerners who failed geography class

5/20/2006 11:42:23 AM

I assume the starter of this thread lives in Minneapolis/St. Paul..just like any crappy midwestern mega-sprawl city. If you drive north you'll realize that sans the accents people in Minnesota are a LOT like southerners.

5/20/2006 11:42:42 AM

I think the North/South rivalry is kind of like the UNC/NC State rivalry

only NC State cares about it. UNC doesn't give a fuck

5/20/2006 12:57:39 PM

this is absolutely false

good natured joking and a general level of intrigue

nobody fucking cares about shit like that...oh yeah, except people in the south

5/20/2006 2:38:03 PM

i lived in upstate ny for 7 years and have lived in atlanta and nc since 1996. the stigma of the north hating the south comes out of the super religious/conservative bigotry/racism that is so prevalent in the south. but i'll say this much, god damn if i don't love me some southern food and women

5/20/2006 3:39:43 PM

The South is probably the most different region of the country (minus Hawaii and Alaska) when you compare it to other regions of the nation- the West Coast, Northeast, Midwest, and the Northwest have relatively subtle differences in the grand scheme of things. If you grew up in the South and lived there your whole life, you haven’t a clue or any basis as to what the rest of the fucking country is like. And if you want to really examine it, the South is also the poorest and most uneducated region of the country. I mean I was born in NC and all, and there are plenty of educated and intelligent people who grew up here and succeed, but Eastern NC isn't that much different from a 3rd world country no matter how hard people try to minimize it its backwardness. Be as proud as you want of your heritage and where you came from, but don't for a second think that the South has a leg up on the rest of the country in anything other than it's 'charm' and its natural beauty. Crucify me all you want, but the only reason why people move to the South is the overcrowding of urban areas elsewhere in the nation, and the abundance of new jobs-but this is only because the cost of living and to do business is lower than pretty much anywhere else in the country. The truth is that the rest of the country kind of feels sorry for the South- it's full of poverty, ignorance, and racist attitudes that refuse to go away.

5/21/2006 2:00:05 AM

everybody just thinks im canadian, but im not. northerners just think its funny that some people are still trying to fight the civil war down here (ie: confederate flags and whatnot).

5/21/2006 2:16:50 AM

nc is one of the top 5 states in the us i think

but i base that on cost of living, having mountains and beaches in the same state, not having a lot of tornadoes, not having a lot of snow, not being too cold in the winter, not too hot in the summer, and cheap prices on cigarettes...now we got the lottery and its even better

5/21/2006 2:17:23 AM

^your ranking would go down considerably if you factored in public education (not incl college)

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"if its so bad, why do you keep moving here?"

Eh? If "everyone's" moving down there, then why is real estate market up here so fucking ridiculous?

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"do people really think the weather in NC is better than up North?"

Haha, yeah seriously. I didn't realize that everyone is jealous and wants 90% humidity and 90+ degree weather. I didn't know that was desireable.

Its been in the 60s up here with low humidity for the past few weeks straight. What horrible weather!!!!!

In all honestly its about personal preference. Some people like ACTUAL variances in temperature whereas others are happy to have the same shit most of the year 'round.

And if you actually talk to someone out in public somewhere such as NYC then you'll discover that most of the time they're just as nice as anyone anywhere else you can think of.

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"but i base that on cost of living, having mountains and beaches in the same state, not having a lot of tornadoes, not having a lot of snow, not being too cold in the winter, not too hot in the summer"

Are you fucking serious? When the pool water in the summer is 90 degrees, that means its too hot outside. Lots of states have mtns and beaches too.

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5/21/2006 2:21:08 AM

i just think it's fucking retarded when people tout NC's weather as a selling point

Southern California's weather is a reason to move there, not NC's

5/21/2006 2:30:37 AM

i dont want no earthquakes and shit either

nc wins

5/21/2006 2:38:58 AM

if i die before i wake, i go to hell for heven sake
good night

5/21/2006 2:44:27 AM

^^what about that earthquake in VA last year that you could feel in NC?

Hmmmmmmmmm?

5/21/2006 2:47:24 AM

Hurricanes suck pretty fucking bad

5/21/2006 2:55:35 AM

i've never had a hurricane really effect me that much

and i've never had an earthquake fuck me up either

or a tornado

and i dont consider nc hot, i consider arizona hot

i'd say our only downside is mexicans and racists

5/21/2006 3:18:39 AM

I'm going to throw the bullshit flag on the South having the corner on racism. Racism was a blatant and horrific stain on the South's past, but without sounding like an asshole, thats because black people actually live in the South. Outside major cities, the North is whiter than a Backstreet Boys concert. Its like when the man asks the little boy why he's beating a drum and he responds, "to scare off the elephants." When the man points out there are no elephants around, the boy says, "see, its working." Its easy to say you're not racist when there is only one black person in your highschool. The North has an equally long history of xenophobia and it was a New England controlled government that began the massive displacement and eradication of the Plains Indians. Those of you who have read The Autobiography of Malcom X will recall his stinging indictment of "benign" Northern racism.

I think its a shame that both non-Southerners and Southerners alike tend to play up the "ignorant redneck image" as the face of the South. Yes it has a poor secondary education system, but between 1860 and the 1950s, economics hasn't been particularly kind to the South and a largely agrarian society does not and cannot place an emphasis on a system that interrupts the growing season. North Carolina has always had an excellent college system. The South has given us; Faulkner, Mitchell, Twain, Welty, pretty much every "American" genre of music, the list goes on.

I don't share the idealized view of the South that some do, but to paraphrase John Shelton Reed, if being proud of where I'm from and what we've contributed to American society is refighting the Civil War, then I intend to make the most of it.

As John Shelton Reed put it, "

5/21/2006 4:31:03 AM

norhterners hate southerners for teh same reasons southerners hate norhterners

we're different

i mean drastic cultural differences
right down to whether or not tea ought to be sweet or not

5/21/2006 4:35:43 AM

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"i just think it's fucking retarded when people tout NC's weather as a selling point Southern California's weather is a reason to move there, not NC's"

The South's weather is definitely a selling point for Yankees. Sure the summers are hotter, but all the people who move down here work in an office. They don't give two shits if it's heat index 110 outside, it's always 70 degrees in their work and home.

The real deal-maker is that you don't have to deal with snow more than once or twice a year. Snow is a huge inconvenience and the road salt ruins your car. People like North Carolina's weather for the simple reason that they don't have to deal with it.

5/21/2006 10:20:48 AM

i moved bc i would rather drive in slow and deal with occasional sub zero temperatures than deal with one more fucking terrible summer

i enjoy being able to actually go outside in the summer and not melt while doing so

5/21/2006 12:06:25 PM

Any comparison between Northerners and Southerners that is not based on real data is simply an ignorant stereotype. In an effort to look at this in a scientific manner, please start collecting actual data before making an ass of yourself by talking about how stupid southerners are. If you wish, you can begin by entering my information into row #1:

I am well educated.
I am not racist.
I speak properly.
I was born in the South.


http://www.southernavenger.com/

5/21/2006 12:16:22 PM

^^^ that's not true. I'm from the mid-atlantic (for those of you who don't know, that's MD, DE, NJ, and PA) and I personally miss the snow. when you get enough snow that it justifies the county or state purchasing the materials to properly cope it's usually not a problem. You live somewhere like minnesota, and you will never get out of school for snow. Where as here they delay schools before it even begins to snow. Because the amount of snow we get in raleigh doesn't justify plows and salt trucks.

I work in for CHASS and last summer was horrible because the hvac sucks and they can never get it working right. So it's extremely hot in the office during the summer and cold during the winter. My boss had to call some health people this winter to get facilities to come fix it. and the problem isn't so much the heat but humidity (which also messes up the exterior of cars). Arizona is much hotter, but people I have known that lived there say it's not humid at all. And because of that you see 40 year old cars with no rust. And the fact that the weather flip flops so much here frustrates me. I would take the weather of SE Penn. over Raleigh about 80% of the time, the only thing i really like is that it gets warmer sooner during spring.

After 5 years I've learned to deal with the humidity better but I still don't like it. I'll stay after I graduate because it's a growing area, land is cheaper, other than that cost of living isn't that much different, and there's a greater need for teachers here than there so hopefully it will be easier for me to find work. Not the weather

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5/21/2006 12:43:40 PM