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"WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE START A GODDAMN POLITICAL PARTY THAT IS FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE AND SOCIALLY LIBERAL? "

They did. They called it the libertarian party. Problem is, people don't want social liberty, they want the ability to do what they want to do when they want to do it, but also the ability to tell others that they can't do something else.

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"meanwhile all the intelligent and intellectual liberal geniuses are still puzzled 2.5 years later that the biggest idiot in the known universe is somehow president again"

Odd that the biggest idiot in the known universe is smart enough to outwit all the "intelectual liberal geniuses".

Hint to the "liberals" no one likes a nerd. Remember highschool? Same shit, different popularity contest.

5/30/2006 12:07:10 PM

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"NCSU Poli Sci Professor: Are corporations, modern multinational corporations, 'private' in any meaningful sense given their power over us as individuals? [explaining the importance of teh g0v regulating the shit out of private enterprise]"

My father would say yes. He would also say that it is a bad thing.

Btw, my father is the president of a small corporation and has worked in international business for 20 years. He's hardly a communist.

Grow up, k?

5/30/2006 12:15:48 PM

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"1337 b4k4: Odd that the biggest idiot in the known universe is smart enough to outwit all the "intelectual liberal geniuses". Hint to the "liberals" no one likes a nerd. Remember highschool? Same shit, different popularity contest."

Bush outwitted nobody, and you fucking know it. Karl Rove is an evil genius, but even then no outwitting went down.

TERRORISTS!! FAGS GETTING MARRIED!! MORAL FIBER!!! FLIP-FLOPPING COMMUNIST! OMG OMG OMG!!!!!

5/30/2006 12:23:18 PM

muslims love fags! if we made gay marriage legal muslims would never attack us! !!!11one!

5/30/2006 12:28:29 PM

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"They did. They called it the libertarian party. Problem is, people don't want social liberty, they want the ability to do what they want to do when they want to do it, but also the ability to tell others that they can't do something else."

The libertarian party is TOO nutty.

There are certain roles that are best left socialized (highways/roads, for example), but there is a line.

5/30/2006 12:31:18 PM

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"TreeTwista10: muslims love fags! if we made gay marriage legal muslims would never attack us! !!!11one!"

TreeTwista, you don't even know what I'm talking about, do you? I'm one of the most basic people who posts in the Soap Box, and you're not even following.

5/30/2006 12:34:11 PM

i'm saying people want to play the "who cares about gay marriage, why is bush so hellbent on never legalizing gay marriages, wtf is wrong with what people do in private in their own homes?" card sometimes dont realize that one of the reasons muslims hate us is our tolerance of homosexuals

5/30/2006 12:36:37 PM

I guarantee you that our tolerance of homosexuals is far less important than our support of israel. There are many countries with far more liberal laws for homosexuals, but given the opportunity, a muslim extremist would bomb us over them any day of the week.

5/30/2006 12:40:46 PM

General response to TreeTwista's posting in the Soap Box:

Don't you get it, Twista, you're accusing liberals of blindly hating Bush. But you're the one who blindly follows your prenotions about "liberals." It's getting old, dude.

Another thing you don't get:

You keep saying that all us college kids think we're being rebellious with our "liberal" ideology. Not so. Conservative youth is the new rebellion. Conservative young adults are rebelling against their parents who worked for equality in the 1960s. You don't see it that way because your parents were probably the conservative ones who really didn't care too much about the niggers...? Just taking a stab in the dark here.

Response to his latest post:

^^That is ridiculous. You are twisted. The US is not known for being super tolerant of homosexuals. (What BobbyDigital said.)

[Edited on May 30, 2006 at 12:48 PM. Reason : sss]

5/30/2006 12:41:44 PM

i think we're more tolerant of homosexuals in the United States than people are in Muslim countries like Iraq and Afghanistan, considering if they are found to be homosexual they are EXECUTED

5/30/2006 12:47:41 PM

Dude, PB just one won an election partly on moral values, one of those being that gays should not be allowed to marry. Doesn't sound too tolerant to me.

And of course, we're more tolerant than Muslim countries. We also don't publically stone our wives for not getting dinner ready on time. We don't disown our daughters for losing their virginity by rape. Do they hate us for that too?

[Edited on May 30, 2006 at 12:59 PM. Reason : LOL one = won]

5/30/2006 12:53:51 PM

they probably do

but if you are so quick to dismiss different reasons that muslims hate us...

5/30/2006 12:58:47 PM

I'm not totally dismissing it, but I don't see the point in making that specific link.

They hate our media, our liberal religious beliefs, our arrogance, our excesses, our meddling, our inordinate amount of power, our hand in the creation and maintenance of Israel, etc...

But all you're saying is "They hate us!!!" No shit. I have family that used to live in Iran, and my cousins used to get out of school for a day to celebrate their hatred of America. Like, they literally danced around and chanted "Death to America!" And this was in Tehran, not some small town. No fucking joke.

But what's your point? What are you getting at? Are you suggesting that we shouldn't permit gay marriage because it would make us appear too tolerant of homosexuals in the eyes of Muslim countries? Like, that's your reason? Because THAT IS RIDICULOUS.

5/30/2006 1:10:03 PM

no thats not my point, i'm not trying to be that extreme

i dont even know how this thread is 2 pages...all it started with is some biased liberal quote thats not supposed to be biased

5/30/2006 1:12:55 PM

spookyjon won this thread already IN THE FIRST REPLY I don't know how this got to two pages.

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"That is absolutely applicable when you're dealing with people basing politics on religion."

5/30/2006 1:36:39 PM

i thought Mr. Joshua won this thread when he said

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"I love you too, Johnny Cakes"

5/30/2006 1:39:29 PM

In practice, I feel like BobbyDigital on this matter. I wish a viable fiscally conservative, socially "I don't give a fuck" party existed.

I'm neither democrat nor republican, but I hate the republicans way more. Why? Because they looooooooooooove them some victimless crime. Victimless crime is almost always based on ignorance and religion.

5/30/2006 1:49:14 PM

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"Snewf: My father would say yes. He would also say that it is a bad thing. Btw, my father is the president of a small corporation and has worked in international business for 20 years. He's hardly a communist. Grow up, k?"

And... who cares again?

But no, seriously, good for him. Hear my applause. ::claps:: If he thinks private businesses should be nationalized, I'd call him a Communist just the same...

(oh and my daddy's president of a big corporation and worked in int'l business for 200 years, so there ) 

5/30/2006 2:19:05 PM

what happened to the motivation of small business owners to make their businesses larger by way of success?

5/30/2006 2:49:24 PM

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"TreeTwista10: no thats not my point, i'm not trying to be that extreme"

Then what is your point? I can kinda see you trying to make a point here:

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"TreeTwista10: i like how the liberals want to blame U.S. troop occupancy in Iraq for all the reasons why extremist Muslims hate the USA, but they dont realize policies like tolerating gay marriage piss them off just as much"

But even then, you're wrong again. Nobody is trying to blame everything on US troop occupancy. They hated us for decades before the war in Iraq.

Again, you're not posting anything except to attempt to call out liberals, and you're doing a terrible, terrible job of it. Like, the second thing of yours I just quoted is the kind of thing I'd hear an old "philospoher" say outside the local barber shop, and everybody would nod and agree because it sounds poignant, but it's not. It's just anti-liberal bullshit.

5/30/2006 2:51:43 PM

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"It's worth noting that a corporation can indeed be a private citizen, there is no size requirement on a business that says that it must have X thousand people before it can be a corporation."

Yep...nice way to shelter your income and assets. I'll probably incorporate once I have enough income and assets to make it worth my while.

5/30/2006 2:51:54 PM

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"Nobody is trying to blame everything on US troop occupancy"

you know as well as anyone who reads Soap Box that some people do try to blame everything on US troop occupancy or blame everything on Bush, etc

5/30/2006 2:55:27 PM

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"you know as well as anyone who reads Soap Box that some people do try to blame everything on US troop occupancy or blame everything on Bush, etc"

Find where people say that and then call them out for it. Otherwise, you're just grasping at an argument that isn't there.

5/30/2006 2:59:59 PM

i'll be the first to say its my opinion that troop occupancy is probably the root cause for most problems in iraq

5/30/2006 3:24:36 PM

^I totally agree with that statement. But that's not what TreeTwista10 was getting at:

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"TreeTwista10: i like how the liberals want to blame U.S. troop occupancy in Iraq for all the reasons why extremist Muslims hate the USA, but they dont realize policies like tolerating gay marriage piss them off just as much"

I guess I could ammend his statement to be more agreeable:

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"TreeTwista10: i like how the a few liberals want to blame U.S. troop occupancy in Iraq for all the reasons why extremist Muslims hate the USA, but they dont realize policies like tolerating gay marriage pisses them off just as much as well"

[Edited on May 30, 2006 at 3:40 PM. Reason : TT, there's no policy that says we tolerate gay marraige. In fact, it's the opposite. LOL]

5/30/2006 3:36:46 PM

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"there's no policy that says we tolerate gay marraige."

Odd, I'm sure gay individuals from the 1950s would beg to differ.

5/30/2006 3:56:48 PM

^WAIT A MINUTE! DID I TOTALLY MISS SOMETHING?

Do we have a law that endorses homsexuals' right to marry?

[Edited on May 30, 2006 at 4:01 PM. Reason : sss]

5/30/2006 3:58:55 PM

^ Yes, get married in Canada and many states in the U.S. will recognize it.

Conversely, there are no laws, that I know of, in America to prevent an employer from recognizing a gay marriage. When it comes to legal preceedings your Canadian marriage license is valid in both State and Federal Court, regardless of circumstance. Of course, two governmental institutions that do not recognize your gay marriage is the IRS and SRS. If "refusing to let you file taxes jointly" is a form of oppression then so be it.

5/30/2006 4:20:11 PM

if you dont think that arab countries frown on homosexuality much much much more than the US then you're looney

they dont even like hot girl on girl action for gods sake

5/30/2006 4:21:19 PM

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"TreeTwista10: if you dont think that arab countries frown on homosexuality much much much more than the US then you're looney"

TreeTwista10, I never said that, and I never would say that. In fact, I've already posted to the contrary:

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"BridgetSPK: And of course, we're more tolerant than Muslim countries."

I'm done with you, fool.

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"LoneSnark: ^ Yes, get married in Canada and many states in the U.S. will recognize it. Conversely, there are no laws, that I know of, in America to prevent an employer from recognizing a gay marriage. When it comes to legal preceedings your Canadian marriage license is valid in both State and Federal Court, regardless of circumstance. Of course, two governmental institutions that do not recognize your gay marriage is the IRS and SRS. If "refusing to let you file taxes jointly" is a form of oppression then so be it."

LoneSnark, I understand your point that we are much more tolerant than we were in the 1950s, but surely you don't agree with TreeTwista10's assertion that we have "policies like tolerating gay marriage." If you read the paper only once during the 2004 presidential campaigns, you know his assertion is just straight up wrong.

Holla back when there's a bill passed that supports gay unions/marriages. Anything else is a slap in the fucking face, and you know it.

[Edited on May 30, 2006 at 4:35 PM. Reason : sss]

5/30/2006 4:34:08 PM

do you know the difference between passing a bill that makes all gay marriages legal and not murdering and gang killing people for being gay?

cause if you dont think the US is tolerant of gay marriages....oh man

ONE of the few things that Bush and radical Muslims agree on is that homosexuality is wrong...all I've been trying to say is that sure Bush caused some shit over in the Middle East...but all the liberals who are very pro-choice / pro-gay marriage need to realize that the Muslims hate hate hate homosexuality...whereas some liberals or anybody in the US might say "oh well, what they do in private is fine, just dont do it around me", the Muslims might say "lets kill those homo loving infidels"

5/30/2006 4:38:46 PM

I'm pretty sure it's our support of Israel, dude...

5/30/2006 4:53:22 PM

i'm pretty positive its not just one thing only

and btw i dont think the gay thing is the predominant reason they hate america...far from it

but i also think its something that doesnt get talked about much...cause like i said, it is one of the few things Dubya and the turrists both agree on

5/30/2006 4:58:17 PM

Yeah, uh... to claim that they attack us for being tolerant of gays is kind of silly.

It might be something that angers them, but I'd have to say they're our enemies because of Israel. Just a guess.

5/30/2006 5:04:40 PM

peep the edit

i just dont think its one single reason why they hate us...i think its a bunch

5/30/2006 5:05:19 PM

I'd have to say the Israel thing is what mobilizes their violence.

5/30/2006 5:07:34 PM

what about when we were down with israel in the 60s and 70s and we helped afghanistan, rumsfeld shook saddam's hand, etc

5/30/2006 5:08:56 PM

Look I'm not going to get into a long, drawn out discussion where I end up teaching you the obvious.

The hatred many Arabs have towards us is grown by our support of Israel and our meddling and involvement in the region. You don't have to believe me.

5/30/2006 5:11:59 PM

don't forget the bases we put on their holy lands

speaking of

anybody seen how bad we've fucked up the hanging gardens in iraq? one of the 7 World Wonders

and we've built roads for our humvees and shit on it

5/30/2006 5:13:56 PM

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"If you read the paper only once during the 2004 presidential campaigns, you know his assertion is just straight up wrong."

What does a presidential campaign have to do with government policy? None of what he proposed as been implimented. No marriage amendment, no policy changes that I can tell.

That said, you seem to mis-using the word "tollerate." You seem to believe that the U.S. is not tollerant until itself begins marrying people of the same sex. There is a lot of difference between tolerance and supportive. The U.S. is undeniably tolerant of gay marriage, while at the same time we are not supportive of gay marriage. A society that is not tolerant would be arresting them and ripping up their marriage licenses, not recognizing them in court and letting any business recognize gay marriage that wanted to. In a society that is not tolerant of gay marriage these business managers would be arrested for criminal behavior.

You may take it as a slap in the face, but morally speaking America is meeting the minimum requirement of being a tolerant society. Give credit where credit is due. A democratic society has the right to make certain decisions, the rules governing the granting of state marriage licenses is one of them. Call me when the system transitions from "tolerant" to "mildly oppressive," such as secret arrests, banishment from legal preceedings, revoking ones right to exit, etc.

[Edited on May 30, 2006 at 5:20 PM. Reason : .,.]

5/30/2006 5:20:01 PM

^Another word to add to my list of shit you can't spell (obseenly, renound, tollerant/tollerate). (I haven't read what you wrote yet.) Okay, I just read what you wrote, and it appears to be more of the same. We clearly disagree on this issue. If gay marriages are not legally performed in the US, then where is the policy of tolerance towards gay marriages? Forcing people to go to Canada to get married seems intolerant to me. Again, we clearly disagree. Futhermore, the absence of policy against gay marriage does not make us tolerant of gay marriage.

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"TreeTwista10: do you know the difference between passing a bill that makes all gay marriages legal and not murdering and gang killing people for being gay?"

Yes, I do know the difference. Why would you ask that question? I've yet to patronize you with questions like that.

You said policy. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=policy

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"TreeTwista10: cause if you dont think the US is tolerant of gay marriages....oh man"

I don't. I know there was a very serious push to add an amendment to the Constitution stating that marriage must be between a man and a woman. WHAT IS TOLERANT ABOUT THAT??? Allowing Will and fucking Grace to be on regular network TV does not make us tolerant of gay marriage.

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"TreeTwista10: ONE of the few things that Bush and radical Muslims agree on is that homosexuality is wrong...all I've been trying to say is that sure Bush caused some shit over in the Middle East...but all the liberals who are very pro-choice / pro-gay marriage need to realize that the Muslims hate hate hate homosexuality...whereas some liberals or anybody in the US might say "oh well, what they do in private is fine, just dont do it around me", the Muslims might say "lets kill those homo loving infidels""

And you finally said it. The bold part is stated so flippantly that I'm not sure where your head is at. Here is what you just said: "Sure, Bush and Co. started a war where thousands of people have died, families have lost their homes, the US is deeper in debt every month...and, by the way, linberals need to realize that Muslims hate fags..."

????

Liberals understand that Muslims do not approve of homosexuality. What the fuck do you want us to do about it? There are very few people who want to unjustly please the extremist Muslim community.

You're comparing a desire for gay marriage in the States to the starting of a war in Iraq.

JUST STOP.

[Edited on May 30, 2006 at 5:47 PM. Reason : sss]

5/30/2006 5:27:01 PM

i have to agree with Lonesnark. the US is tolerant but not supportive

5/30/2006 5:45:32 PM

How can you be tolerant of something that is not permitted?

How is forcing people to leave the country to get married tolerant?

5/30/2006 5:46:18 PM

We're tolerant of the lifestyle, if not of one specific act it sometimes entails.

5/30/2006 5:53:17 PM

Blah blah blah the dogma brigade is now officially here.

Welcome, Grumpy.

5/30/2006 5:54:05 PM

At the moment I'm not arguing the merits of permitting gay marriage, I'm just answering what amounts to a linguistic question. More than that, I'm trying to keep people (in this case, Bridget) honest, which is the same reason I have for posting in almost any thread about gay marriage. It's not a topic of great concern to me. I would trade it away in a heartbeat for almost any other concession. But, at the same time, I don't like my distant party allies to get too mischaracterized over the issue.

5/30/2006 6:00:11 PM

Oh, also, I had a question for Bridget:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me like the issue that is far and away most important to you is fucking.

Why is that?

5/30/2006 6:04:20 PM

Uh, just because people want others to have the right to fuck any consenting adult they choose to fuck doesn't mean they're obsessed with fucking.

I'd say those who are trying to STOP that sort of thing are the obsessed ones.

[Edited on May 30, 2006 at 6:06 PM. Reason : .]

5/30/2006 6:05:53 PM

Calm down. This thread is just the final piece of the puzzle, if you will. It went from being about academia's bias to being about gay marriage because of her. And then look at the other threads where she gets the most vocal -- ones about abortion or abstinence, even when abstinence is a minor part of the discussion. She's still screaming about it in the AIDS thread, even though most other people have moved on.

And I suspect that most people on this board are obsessed with fucking, but turning it into a prime political motivator is something else entirely.

5/30/2006 6:10:19 PM

i think shes like a "born again virgin" if that makes sense

shes given up sex for a while

or something

who knows...

5/30/2006 6:15:52 PM