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"So whats your point? Herb came into a program that was worse than what Lowe is stepping into?"

are you really this dumb?

6/16/2006 11:07:08 AM

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"Yes, and Lowe is coming into the best team State has had in 20 years. "

No, but if you think the program is in shambles, i'm sorry, but you just don't know what you're talking about.

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"How is Lowe so much better off again? Simmons - gone Werner - gone Grant - who knows"

at least good players come/want to come here, that's much better than 10 or 11 years ago.

6/16/2006 11:07:46 AM

...well, they wanted to when herb was our coach.

the jury is still out on Lowe. I think the recruits we had backing out shows that they weren't coming here because of the school.

6/16/2006 11:09:09 AM

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"well, they wanted to when herb was our coach."

not when he first came in.

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"the jury is still out on Lowe. I think the recruits we had backing out shows that they weren't coming here because of the school"

my point was that herb got the program back to a point where good players actually saw a benefit to coming here

[Edited on June 16, 2006 at 11:11 AM. Reason : .]

6/16/2006 11:10:40 AM

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"I think the recruits we had backing out shows that they weren't coming here because of the school."

They aren't following Herb to ASU either.

6/16/2006 11:12:07 AM

^good pt

and only one recruit has backed out for sure. and from the article, it looks like Lowe is still going to try to talk him out of it.

6/16/2006 11:14:17 AM

I didn't want Herb to leave - and I still wish he was here.

Maybe I wasn't gungho on the style of play, but it won games and had some great recruits thinking about coming here (Wright among others). Not to mention I feel like it was one of the cleanest programs in the NCAA.

Discounting Lowe's situation and expecting results in the first third of the season is stupid.
It's going to take time for the transition to be successful - maybe not the same amount of time Herb was given, but to start expecting results immediately only sets the program up for failure.

6/16/2006 11:39:39 AM

i don't think anyone expects immediate results.

6/16/2006 11:46:21 AM

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"They aren't following Herb to ASU either. "

that couldn't have anything to do with the fact they're from NJ and NY and Arizona is a world away, could it?

6/16/2006 11:51:00 AM

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"They aren't following Herb to ASU either."

I don't know what his list looks like now...but McMillan was seriously considering ASU at least a month ago. And I'm pretty sure that I read that Chris Wright would have looked at ASU if it wasn't so far away.

So take that for what its worth.

6/16/2006 11:53:25 AM

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"not when he first came in. "

no shit.....whos to say that Lowe won't be the same way? im not fluffing herb and im not bashing lowe....im just pointing out the good players you are talking about werent coming here because its nc state...they were coming here to play for herb's system.

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"They aren't following Herb to ASU either."

thats a valid point, but i think its comparing apples and oranges. my point was simply that they weren't coming here because of the name "nc state"...otherwise they wouldnt have left. they liked herbs program here....he hasnt established his program at arizona yet, and from our experiences, we know it will take a few years to get it up and running. if people were simply coming here to play for the name "nc state", they wouldnt care what system/program was in place.

i guess what im trying to say is that its too early to say "at least good players come/want to come here".

[Edited on June 16, 2006 at 1:04 PM. Reason : df]

6/16/2006 1:03:13 PM

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"he hasnt established his program at arizona yet"

WE ALL GO TO NORTH CAROLINA




seriously, if anyone understands what it means to leave the "state" off of a team's name, it's us

/nitpick



Anyway... I'm glad to see that Lowe got his degree and is ready to make some things happen with this team. It won't all come together this season, but if we give him 2-3 years to get some guys that HE likes into the program, then we can have a better barometer for how well he will do.

[Edited on June 18, 2006 at 2:29 PM. Reason : zonk]

6/18/2006 2:29:28 PM

went to the rbc last night to watch the hockey game, looked up in the rafters and saw our coaches honored jersey in the rafters. thats some kind of feeling. i hope he does well.

6/18/2006 3:35:50 PM

saw lowe, larry harris and monty towe at sammy's yesterday before the canes game, larry harris was a pretty cool guy, lowe seemed pre-occupied (understandably)

6/18/2006 4:41:25 PM

when herb took over the program was a waste, and after 5 years with Herb in the realms it was still a waste. then he finally rounded up enough talent to underachieve his way to the upper half of the ACC.

6/18/2006 5:06:22 PM