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"See the irony is what they need to do is get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this shit and it's over."

-President Bush

7/17/2006 11:26:27 AM

It's kinda like when you have 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife.

7/17/2006 11:34:25 AM

way to take me out of context. i never said i was a jew hater. i am not a jew hater.

7/17/2006 1:51:12 PM

Um....yes you did. You proclaimed, quite emphatically 'Long Live The Party of God' http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=420206&page=2#9033149. This 'Party of God' you love so much was "formed primarily to commit genocide against Israelis and Jews".

7/17/2006 2:09:27 PM

but what event caused them to be formed?hezbollah was created to combat the israeli occupation of lebanon (just cause). if israel is destroyed and jews relocate they are fine. they dont hate all jews they just hate isreal which is "the jews" in their small world and they hate them because they took thier land.

just because i support a group that claims to hate jews doesnt mean i hate jews but i certainly see where they are coming from since a jewish state occupies their land and has caused so much suffering amongst their people in the last 50 years.

7/17/2006 3:35:09 PM

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"just because i support a group that claims to hate jews doesnt mean i hate jews"

haha...wow

i mean...i give about $1,000 annually to the KKK...but that doesnt really mean im racist

7/17/2006 3:38:22 PM

I can't argue with such delusional statements. I guess Darwin let a few slip by

7/17/2006 3:42:05 PM

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"I can't argue with such delusional statements. I guess Darwin let a few slip by "

i couldn't agree with you about you more

7/17/2006 3:46:59 PM

well Omar, on this subject, in this thread, I'm not even remotely close to the delusional one. Me stating that I'm the most popular person on the intarweb, that could be considered delusional....but not this

7/17/2006 3:51:04 PM

^^^^kkk was fighting for an unjust cause and doing it in an extremly dirty way. the islamists are fighting for a just cause and doing it in an extremely dirty way (because its not a level playing field and us is giving israel. theres a big difference here folks. they've had their entire livelyhoods stolen.

rebellion against occupation is not the same as pure terrorism. We call it that because its against us.

[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 3:51 PM. Reason : bias]

7/17/2006 3:51:06 PM

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"well Omar, on this subject, in this thread, I'm not even remotely close to the delusional one. Me stating that I'm the most popular person on the intarweb, that could be considered delusional....but not this"

i agree that cxmai is an idiot and that you are more correct than she is - my comment was offtopic

7/17/2006 3:51:44 PM

^^ok....I can't argue with crazy so I guess I'll just have to be on my way

^I know, I just wanted to be sure

7/17/2006 3:58:51 PM

its like 2 guys attacking a guy who is in handcuffs and then getting mad when he kicks them in the balls.

7/17/2006 4:10:49 PM

I would deal with the Middle east by bombing all of it.

7/17/2006 4:11:57 PM

^ i'm willing to bet an SUV that will not happen

7/17/2006 4:19:36 PM

that's the sad thing.

7/17/2006 4:20:00 PM

yup

7/17/2006 4:22:58 PM

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"but what event caused them to be formed?hezbollah was created to combat the israeli occupation of lebanon (just cause). if israel is destroyed and jews relocate they are fine. they dont hate all jews they just hate isreal which is "the jews" in their small world and they hate them because they took thier land."

That pretty much sums it up.

7/17/2006 8:55:22 PM

for a dumbass, yeah

7/17/2006 9:09:57 PM

my take is that no one group has sole claim to that land. it was israel's, then like 50 other groups', now it's israel's again. tons of groups have some claim to it. if it rightfully belongs to anyone, though, it's israel's, just because they're sitting on it right now.

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israel is no saint of a country (although i fully believe that we'd be even more heavy handed and hair-triggered if had to deal with what goes on in their country). i'm not exactly a supporter of theirs. however, they are, at least to an extent, willing to compromise. their enemies are not...at least not to any appreciable extent.

furthermore, while i understand the suicide attacks, rocket/mortar attacks, etc, due to the disparity in military capability, blowing yourself in a crowd of civilians is not legitimate.

finally, if israel stopped retaliating, that wouldn't stop their enemies. the existance of israel is all the provocation they need. if israel's enemies stopped fucking with them, israel wouldn't bother anybody.



on one hand, i joined the USMC so that I could kill people who are fucking everything up for others, most specifically by killing innocents (and I signed up before the Sept 11 attacks...I joined to kill dirty African warlords and former Yugoslavs, primarily.) I hate to see innocent people suffer and die.

on the other hand, i have no hope of that conflict being resolved, and if large groups of people (and even entire nations) are damned and determined to qualify for a large-scale, collective Darwin award by hurling themselves against the Israeli grinder, well, I'm growing continually less opposed (at least in principle, though less so politically due to our interests, primarily economically) to just saying, "Ok...Israelis, Palestinians, Lebanese, and any of you shithead Arab nations who're feeling lucky...we're not holding any of you back anymore. You wanna fight so damn badly, have at it. This is a problem that will only solve itself if we allow it to run its course into self destruction."

[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 10:29 PM. Reason : asdf]

[Edited on July 17, 2006 at 10:30 PM. Reason : asdfasd]

7/17/2006 9:11:59 PM

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"i joined the USMC so that I could kill people who are fucking everything up for others, most specifically by killing innocents (and I signed up before the Sept 11 attacks...I joined to kill dirty Africans and former Yugoslavs, primarily.) I hate to see innocent people suffer and die."

Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.

7/17/2006 9:20:47 PM

4 nukes would suffice

7/17/2006 9:53:11 PM

...to piss a bunch of people off...

7/17/2006 10:00:01 PM

...to end the world.

7/17/2006 10:01:09 PM

Four nukes couldn't even end four big cities, much less the world.

Not directly, anyway.

7/17/2006 10:04:39 PM

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end.php

7/17/2006 10:18:57 PM

I was speaking of the chain reaction that would follow.

7/17/2006 10:19:00 PM

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"they are, at least to an extent, willing to compromise. their enemies are not...at least not to any appreciable extent."

What? Israel has never legitimately tried to end the apartheid system that exists in Israel because they know that if they set up de facto and de jure democracy, the muslims will simply vote themselves into power and subsume minority and Jewish interests. Without even needing to fire a single shot, muslims would take over.

Realizing this reality, Israel has chosen to maintain the artificial balance of power with superior arms. It's a choice they have made despite knowing what we know about thousands of years of human history, especially in the last century or so -- a dominated majority will resist indefinitely until the minority rulers are overthrown.

The only countries that have been able to maintain minority control in the middle east are ones that are extremely authoritarian, like Hussein's Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Israel is in that company.

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"blowing yourself in a crowd of civilians is not legitimate."

It (terror) seems to work fine for israel. At least half of all these israeli attacks are against non military targets and are aimed at terrorizing the lebanese citizens so that they will stop supporting Hezbollah. It's not something we have been above doing, either. Military commanders from all civilizations in all times have been quite willing to terrorize civilian populations if it achieves a strategic end. It may not be "good," but it is effective.

7/18/2006 12:08:05 AM

Facists vs. Facists

whomever's side you take, you're wrong

how much more of this paralysis must we endure?

7/18/2006 12:11:41 AM

i didn't say they were models of compromise

i'm just saying that they, from time to time, make some pretty reasonable concessions, and that their enemies basically don't.

7/18/2006 12:28:29 AM

I'm shitting and pissing on you. As a concession, I will only piss on you.

They aren't going to get credit for that.

Even our own civil rights movement wasn't about "reasonable" concessions -- it was about upholding ideals. Black leaders never gave in to whites and said, "ok guys, you can discriminate against us a little since you are already in power and have been doing it for a long time." Muslims can certainly learn a thing or two from our civil rights movement, but making unprincipled concession is not one of them.


[Edited on July 18, 2006 at 12:41 AM. Reason : sdfsdf]

7/18/2006 12:39:47 AM

7/18/2006 12:51:52 AM

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"kkk was fighting for an unjust cause and doing it in an extremly dirty way. the islamists are fighting for a just cause and doing it in an extremely dirty way (because its not a level playing field and us is giving israel. theres a big difference here folks. they've had their entire livelyhoods stolen. rebellion against occupation is not the same as pure terrorism. We call it that because its against us."

your an idiot...the analogy is exactly the same...you basically said : "i support this group that hates jews and hates israel and wants to see all jewish infadels blown off the planet and is trying to do just that....but i dont hate jews"

your not fooling anyone...jew-hater

7/18/2006 12:59:36 AM

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"Facists vs. Facists whomever's side you take, you're wrong how much more of this paralysis must we endure?"

ding ding ding ding ding

7/18/2006 1:00:22 AM

I would deal with the middle east by pulling every U.S. soldier the fuck out of there, including Israel.

The entire region would fall into a massive regional war, and they'd wind up killing each other off.

Then I'd go back and take all the oil.

7/18/2006 1:41:43 PM