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"yes we have won in iraq....that nation is no longer a threat to america"

Lies. Iraq was never a threat to America. That was simply a lie fabricated by the government to bolster support for the war. Iraq now is nothing more than a breeding ground for terrorists, that didn't exist when Hussein was in control as he kept that country in order. He was by no means a good guy, but he kept everything under control.

7/16/2006 1:28:18 AM

There's a huge difference between "decided not to nuke everything to glass" and "so concerned about killing innocent people."

7/16/2006 1:28:34 AM

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"Lies. Iraq was never a threat to America. "

your opinion is not important...we went there to get rid of a government that was a problem...we have done that....we have won...now troops are dying in support of the new government...but we accomplished what we set out to do

and we could take down iran and syria just as easy as we took down iraq...only difference would be we wouldnt have to stick around to rebuild....which would mean far less american deaths

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"There's a huge difference between "decided not to nuke everything to glass" and "so concerned about killing innocent people.""

i know...still....restraint was shown (MOST of the time) and that greatly hindered our cause there....im not saying thats bad....restraint SHOULD be shown...all im saying is that that restraint clearly held american troops back from acheiving thier objectives

7/16/2006 1:34:25 AM

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"your opinion is not important...we went there to get rid of a government that was a problem...we have done that....we have won...now troops are dying in support of the new government...but we accomplished what we set out to do"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Okay dude. You keep believing that. And its more than just troops dying, its the Iraqis dying too. I know if they're not Israelis, their lives mean nothing to you, but I just thought I'd point that out. And can you point out why Saddam Hussein was a problem? How was he a threat to the US?

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"and we could take down iran and syria just as easy as we took down iraq...only difference would be we wouldnt have to stick around to rebuild....which would mean far less american deaths"

Ummm, no you couldn't. I don't know what fantasy world you reside in, but here in REALITY Iran and Syria (Iran definitely) are much stronger militarily than Iraq was. Iraqs military was still shattered after the first Golf War. If you think you're simply goign to walk in and remove these governments to protect your little military outpost that is Israel, then you are sadly mistaken. Plus there could be the possiblity of other countries stepping in such as China, who has heavy investments in Iran as far as oil is concerned.

7/16/2006 1:42:23 AM

Quote :

"i know...still....restraint was shown (MOST of the time) and that greatly hindered our cause there....im not saying thats bad....restraint SHOULD be shown...all im saying is that that restraint clearly held american troops back from acheiving thier objectives"

I'm not so sure about that. Any restraint we showed was likely practical, either because of Cold War politics or because we were trying to win hearts and minds.

Remember what happened when the USSR invaded Afghanistan. They were godless commies, so they couldn't have cared about killing innocents, right? Guess what... they still lost.

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 1:44 AM. Reason : godless commies]

7/16/2006 1:44:00 AM

wow...your just plain delusional, kid...

good job on two things though...

1) getting passed vietnam and being able to have a discussion without talking about it constantly and..
2) ALMOST getting back to the subject and not continuing with your bush bashing...

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"Any restraint we showed was likely practical, either because of Cold War politics or because we were trying to win hearts and minds."

winning hearts and minds is still a self-imposed restraint...if they didnt care about that they could have just wiped out everyone...i mean...thats wrong...obviuosly...im just saying....and you are right about the ussr and afghanistan...ehh..i dont know...im going to bed


[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 1:48 AM. Reason : asdf]

7/16/2006 1:44:56 AM

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"if they didnt care about that they could have just wiped out everyone...i mean...thats wrong..."

It's more than just wrong, though. It's also not practical in most situations. We wanted a friendly Vietnam, not a smoldering crater.

7/16/2006 2:07:47 AM

middle east viper, middle east... last i checked vietnam wasn't there

the same people complaining about the deaths occurring because we're still in Iraq, don't understand the death toll that would occur if we just immediately left, which is what a lot of people in this country keep asking for... those who are our enemies in Iraq aren't going to just stop trying to kill U.S. troops because they see them leaving, it doesn't work like that.. war doesn't have an on/off switch

7/16/2006 2:38:48 AM

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"hmm...you mean in the soapbox??...now theres a good indicator of popular opinion for you..."

No, I've just read a lot of articles where folks have come out and said, "I'm tired of supporting Israel." And they've been very persuasive articles too.

But it looks like you're right about US support for Israel...

I wish I had $95 to subscribe to Gallup and find out the details of this poll, but here is an article about it...

http://www.themiddleeastnow.com/ref/gallupisrael.html

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"Republicans (77%) are significantly more likely to sympathize with the Israelis than are Democrats (50%) or independents (50%). Gallup also finds that Americans who say they follow news about world affairs "very closely" are more likely to sympathize with the Israelis (66%) than Americans who follow foreign news only somewhat closely (59%) or who do not follow it closely (52%). Gallup's World Affairs Poll also obtains basic favorable ratings of a variety of countries each year, including Israel and the Palestinian Authority. The new poll finds 68% of Americans saying they have a favorable opinion of Israel, including 21% who are "very favorable" toward it. Twenty-three percent view Israel unfavorably. Those numbers are essentially unchanged from last year, and are the most positive for Israel aside from a 79% favorable rating in February 1991 during the first Persian Gulf War."

7/16/2006 2:43:21 AM

You know, the thing is that it doesn't really matter what any of us think...because hatred for the Jews in this world is greater than the hatred for any other religion, race, ethnicity or anything else. It is pointless trying to debate with people like Protostar, cxmai, smcrawff and Bridget because short of Israel blowing themselves up in one mass suicide plot with a last statement reading, 'You're right, we're wrong' there is nothing that Israel could do to appease them. It's unfortunate that college educated people still have these views.

And as for whoever said, I think it was Goldenviper, that Israel was just waiting for an excuse to do something like this, here's a question...if you take a stick and poke a polar bear repeatedly for a little while, then eventually you're gonna get killed...even if on that last poke, you barely touched it's paw.

7/16/2006 2:47:41 AM

^

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"mytwocents: You know, the thing is that it doesn't really matter what any of us think...because hatred for the Jews in this world is greater than the hatred for any other religion, race, ethnicity or anything else. It is pointless trying to debate with people like Protostar, cxmai, smcrawff and Bridget because short of Israel blowing themselves up in one mass suicide plot with a last statement reading, 'You're right, we're wrong' there is nothing that Israel could do to appease them. It's unfortunate that college educated people still have these views."

It looks like I'm gonna have to say it again: SHUT YOUR UGLY MOUTH. You're the one who has displayed some disgusting views. And don't lump me in with those other folks (Protostar, cxmai, etc..) either. I'll lay out what I've said in this thread so far...

1. I think you're absurdly biased/prejudiced and getting close to racist. Evidence here:

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"mytwocents: Well I guess how you would define superiority would matter in what context...and it's hard to quantify something like that, but people like to talk in terms of money so...and bear in mind that I'm stating FACTS Israel - pop.6,352,117 - (Jewish 77%, Muslim 16%) - GDP per cap=$24,600 - GDP $154.5 billion Westbank - pop.2,460,492 - (Muslim 75%, Jewish 17%) - GDP per cap=$1,100 - GDP $1.8 billion Gaza Strip - pop.1,428,757 - (Muslim 99%, Jewish 0.6%) - GDP per cap=$600 - GDP $768 million so economically the Israelis are FAR superior. And I'd say its fair to say that Israel is FAR superior when it comes to restraint and having morals and if you can honestly say that you don't agree with that, then I guess you missed the '60 Minutes' where a number of Palestinian terrorists (they had all committed murder, and happily admitted to it) were interviewed and one particular guy said that the only reason he was sorry for his crime (he had blown up a store or something) was because it only killed 20 Jews and he wished it had killed 100 times that."

2. I wish there had never been a Balfour Declaration. I blame British conceit/stupidity for this problem.
3. I wish European countries had been open to refugees after WWII instead of turning away boatloads of people who had just lost their homes and endured some horrific shit.
4. I think American support for Israel is dwindling. (It turns out I was wrong. I posted a recent Gallup Poll that showed I was wrong.)

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 3:09 AM. Reason : sss]

7/16/2006 3:04:05 AM

I think it is going down like this. READ

1. We all know that Bush is not popular in the US now.
2. We all know that with about 6 months till election time, he will most likely lose the senate and house.
3. If he loses them, he will basically have zero power and most likely our troops from Iraq will be home in the spring of 2007. We will also not see any new wars against Iran, Syria or support Israel in fighting along side of them.
4. Israel now is trying to attack everyone to get America's support while it can. Do not be surprised if it hits Syria soon to get Iran (Iran said it will defend Syria against Israel) even more involved.
5. This is WWIII and Israel will force it to be that way. I mean pounding Hezbollah is one thing, but going outta control on the whole country is another. They want to get everyone involved and that is also what the US wants and they want to weaken Iran, Syria and other threats. The US is keeping it's hands clean in the meantime and will not react unless it sees that they will lose their only military support in the Middle East (Israel). If Bush can react and look good out of this, he might be popular again come election time.
6. Hezbollah is thinking that this is the time to eliminate Israel and would love for Syria, Iran, Hezbollah, Palestinians and other Israel haters to be attacking Israel at once, hoping to defeat it. They really probably can and you can also add the idea that there is a big chance someone has Saddam's WMD's.
7. Don't be surprised that Israel will make a move on the French evacuation tomorrow to cause more countries to get involved. It might seem crazy, but look outside the box.
8. Israel wants this war to be in Lebanon, they along with the US could care less about Lebanon.
9. In the Bible, it says that a major war will occur in a small country and it will be started by two anti-christs (Hezbollah and Israel). It also says that the major battles between many of the countries will happen in the valley. It could be the "Beka3" valley that it is talking about. The "Beka3" valley for those who don't know is in southern Lebanon and it is also where many believe the WMD's of Saddam were taken through the Syrians.

7/16/2006 3:12:32 AM

Bridget...
Ad Hominem, Ad Populum, Appeal to Belief......

I made the mistake of thinking there could be an actual debate on this issue. It's unfortunate that college educated people have to sink down to such levels as you have when talking about issues like these. It's very, very sad

I can't argue with someone who relies on fallacies like you do. And I'll group you with the others because you sound exactly like them but dumber.

babzi, you're making a lot of generalizations and claiming opinion as fact...for starters, 'we all know' is not how you' start a legitimate argument.

7/16/2006 3:25:39 AM

^polls girl, polls along with reality

7/16/2006 3:28:15 AM

^^I'm not here for a debate. You think I'm trying to debate by sharing my wishes that the past could have been different? The whole point of me giving you a numbered list of what I'd posted in this thread was to show that I'm obviously not here for a debate, I haven't picked a side, and I shouldn't be lumped in with those other people.

From page one:

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"BridgetSPK: This is why I can't argue about this topic. I'm still stuck on the fucking Balfour Declaration. I can't get past it."

And seriously my main goal for posting in this thread was to bring attention to this:

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"mytwocents: Well I guess how you would define superiority would matter in what context...and it's hard to quantify something like that, but people like to talk in terms of money so...and bear in mind that I'm stating FACTS Israel - pop.6,352,117 - (Jewish 77%, Muslim 16%) - GDP per cap=$24,600 - GDP $154.5 billion Westbank - pop.2,460,492 - (Muslim 75%, Jewish 17%) - GDP per cap=$1,100 - GDP $1.8 billion Gaza Strip - pop.1,428,757 - (Muslim 99%, Jewish 0.6%) - GDP per cap=$600 - GDP $768 million so economically the Israelis are FAR superior. And I'd say its fair to say that Israel is FAR superior when it comes to restraint and having morals and if you can honestly say that you don't agree with that, then I guess you missed the '60 Minutes' where a number of Palestinian terrorists (they had all committed murder, and happily admitted to it) were interviewed and one particular guy said that the only reason he was sorry for his crime (he had blown up a store or something) was because it only killed 20 Jews and he wished it had killed 100 times that."

And I'll keep drawing attention to it until you admit you're not fit to argue this topic.

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 3:34 AM. Reason : sss]

7/16/2006 3:33:27 AM

1. Iraq is and was a necessary war. They are NOT a threat to us, as they once could have been.
2. We are trying our hardest to establish a model democracy there, one that has even been mentioned as a model for "great" nations such as Russian.
3. Hezbollah does not respect the independent government of Israel, an allied nation.

We should support Israel against these terrorists. Plain and simple. I cant understand why even the liberals are wishing for us to support the palestinians or leave the terrorist groups alone.

Think about this: with Syria drawn into this, Saddam's WMDs might finally be brought out. What should we do then?

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 3:44 AM. Reason : .]

7/16/2006 3:43:09 AM

^^Hah....please, you said,

Quote :

"Now you tell me how that excuses your bullshit where you establish the superiority of the Jews over a mostly Muslim group, the Palestinians"

I said, "Well I guess how you would define superiority would matter in what context...and it's hard to quantify something like that, but people like to talk in terms of money so...and bear in mind that I'm stating FACTS

Israel - pop.6,352,117 - (Jewish 77%, Muslim 16%) - GDP per cap=$24,600 - GDP $154.5 billion
Westbank - pop.2,460,492 - (Muslim 75%, Jewish 17%) - GDP per cap=$1,100 - GDP $1.8 billion
Gaza Strip - pop.1,428,757 - (Muslim 99%, Jewish 0.6%) - GDP per cap=$600 - GDP $768 million

so economically the Israelis are FAR superior.

And I'd say its fair to say that Israel is FAR superior when it comes to restraint and having morals and if you can honestly say that you don't agree with that, then I guess you missed the '60 Minutes' where a number of Palestinian terrorists (they had all committed murder, and happily admitted to it) were interviewed and one particular guy said that the only reason he was sorry for his crime (he had blown up a store or something) was because it only killed 20 Jews and he wished it had killed 100 times that."

Tell me where I'm wrong?

And yes, yes, I believe 100% that the Jews and/or Israelis are far superior in any context to any member or supporting civilian of Hezbollah or Hamas.

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 3:47 AM. Reason : ]

7/16/2006 3:46:27 AM

Solution:

1. the EU and USA gives a ton of money and weaponry to Turkey
2. Turkey takes out Syria and threatens the other ME nations with American and EU nukes
3. BAM, Turkey reestablishes the Ottoman Empire. Probelm solved.

7/16/2006 3:46:41 AM

just in, 9 killed with many injured by an attack from Hezbollah on Haifa, again

7/16/2006 3:50:42 AM

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"mytwocents: ^^Hah....please, you said,"

Don't make it out like I'm being tricky by leaving my question off. I posted it with the question on page one of this thread. I'll post the entire exchange and the link to that thread so everybody can see exactly what I'm referring to when I say you're "absurdly biased/prejudiced."

7/16/2006 3:50:49 AM

1. the only good thing about iraq was getting rid of an evil dictator but he was not a threat to us. he was a possible future threat to israel (which you people act like is the 51st state)

the real reason we wanted him out was to give israel leg room to do shit like invade innocent lebanon and have one less opponent in the possible arabisraeli war. now instead of iraq you have the united states between them and iran.

3. they are not terrorists. they are rebels. of course they dont respect the independant government of a fraudulent nation

i hope suddams wmds are able to better the palestinian cause

7/16/2006 3:50:54 AM

guys guys, you will find out one of the main reasons why we went to Iraq very soon. It's all strategic against Iran and Syria along with other reasons we know about.

JUST HEARD FROM IRANIAN PRESIDENT REPRESENTATIVE SPEAKER

"The losses for Israel will be in the hundreds and thousands in case it attacks Syria."

That is why we needed to be in Iraq. This has been planned for a long time and now is the time for it due to reasons I previously stated.

Iran very soon will get involved after Israel hits Syria. It's gonna be Iran, Syria, Hezbollah and the Palestinians against Israel, then the US will get it's military on the move.

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 3:59 AM. Reason : .]

7/16/2006 3:58:28 AM

An exchange between mytwocents and I in another thread

Quote :

"mytwocents: this thread reminds me why I shouldn't click on threads like this. I wish I could erase from memory who posted and what "

Quote :

"mytwocents: The Israelis managed to take 'nothing' and turn it into something that makes money to sustain them as a people. what have the Palestinians done? Nothing, just complain about what they don't have. If Israel was wiped off the earth, and the Palestinians had the run of the land, they'd use up all the resources there and start on the destruction of the other countries in the immediate area. Of course those other countries won't think twice about bombing the ever loving shit outta them so if I were a Palestinian, I'd be thanking my lucky stars that my 'enemy' is as sane as the Israelis."

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"BridgetSPK: racist much? If you don't wanna call that racism, I suppose we could go with Hitler-style nationalism. I hate to compare anything to Hitler, but goodness, mytwocents, shut your ugly fucking mouth."

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"BridgetSPK: On page one, she's all "Oh, I wish I could forget the terrible things that have been posted in this thread," but then she comes out with the most vitriolic, tendentious bunch of bullshit I've ever read about this matter on TWW."

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"mytwocents: No Bridget, I didn't want to erase from memory the 'things' that were said, I wanted to erase from memory who SAID those things. I find it funny that I'm the one you call racist and spewing vile comments. "they are just like the jews in the US, whiny and hypocritical" "no doubt jews" "you are jewish arent you...""

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"BridgetSPK: No, that's not just what you said: “mytwocents: this thread reminds me why I shouldn't click on threads like this. I wish I could erase from memory who posted and what " I'm not stupid. I read everything they wrote too. They buy into stereotypes. I get it; they're racist. Now you tell me how that excuses your bullshit where you establish the superiority of the Jews over a mostly Muslim group, the Palestinians. Tell me that, and I'll "find it funny" too. (You should add a dose of historical context into your thinking on this matter. I think that will make you look like less of an ass.)"

Quote :

"mytwocents: Well I guess how you would define superiority would matter in what context...and it's hard to quantify something like that, but people like to talk in terms of money so...and bear in mind that I'm stating FACTS Israel - pop.6,352,117 - (Jewish 77%, Muslim 16%) - GDP per cap=$24,600 - GDP $154.5 billion Westbank - pop.2,460,492 - (Muslim 75%, Jewish 17%) - GDP per cap=$1,100 - GDP $1.8 billion Gaza Strip - pop.1,428,757 - (Muslim 99%, Jewish 0.6%) - GDP per cap=$600 - GDP $768 million so economically the Israelis are FAR superior. And I'd say its fair to say that Israel is FAR superior when it comes to restraint and having morals and if you can honestly say that you don't agree with that, then I guess you missed the '60 Minutes' where a number of Palestinian terrorists (they had all committed murder, and happily admitted to it) were interviewed and one particular guy said that the only reason he was sorry for his crime (he had blown up a store or something) was because it only killed 20 Jews and he wished it had killed 100 times that."

http://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=419285&page=1

7/16/2006 4:18:44 AM

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"middle east viper, middle east... last i checked vietnam wasn't there"

stfu, n00b.

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"the same people complaining about the deaths occurring because we're still in Iraq, don't understand the death toll that would occur if we just immediately left"

Eh, as long as my tax dollars aren't killing them, who cares? Besides, destroying the village to save it gets old. If we don't want people to die, let's stop shooting at them and bombing them.

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"because hatred for the Jews in this world is greater than the hatred for any other religion, race, ethnicity or anything else."

Not really, no. Sure, some nuts blame t3h j00s for everything, but they're a tiny minority.

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"because short of Israel blowing themselves up in one mass suicide plot with a last statement reading, 'You're right, we're wrong' there is nothing that Israel could do to appease them."

Not bombing shit and killing people would probably be enough to appease me.

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"And yes, yes, I believe 100% that the Jews and/or Israelis are far superior in any context to any member or supporting civilian of Hezbollah or Hamas."

Even back when t3h j00z (i.e. some Zionists) were clearly terrorists (i.e. blew up buildings instead of shooting rockets from helicopters)?

Quote :

"just in, 9 killed with many injured by an attack from Hezbollah on Haifa, again"

That's sad. Haifa is a beautiful city.

7/16/2006 4:51:07 AM

The problem with the Middle East is that the US hasnt annihilated it yet.

7/16/2006 4:52:06 AM

Quote :

"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

7/16/2006 4:55:53 AM

There is way too much grey area in this debate.

What is going on is extremely unfortunate. This sucks.

7/16/2006 5:34:45 AM

Do the people that want us to go to war not understand that a huge conflict in that area would make the last energy crisis look like a joke?

7/16/2006 6:20:18 AM

^no, they don't

Solution:

1. the EU and USA gives a ton of money and weaponry to Turkey
2. Turkey takes out Syria and threatens the other ME nations with American and EU nukes
3. BAM, Turkey reestablishes the Ottoman Empire. Probelm solved.
4. Profit!

7/16/2006 9:05:06 AM

babzi--

I think that you're significantly overestimating Iran's abilities. Look at a map: the only ways Iran can get to Israel are:

- through Iraq. That's not going to happen for obvious reasons.

- through Turkey. Despite trade relations between the two countries, Turkey is ultimately allied with the US and has heavily invested (economically and politically) in joining the EU. They are not going to allow a nut like Mahmoud to go traipsing through the countryside on his way to smite Israel.

- across the Persian Gulf and through Saudi Arabia. The US controls the Gulf and Iran does not have a navy of any significance. Even if Iran was able to transport a significant number of troops across the Persian Gulf, I would have serious doubts about Saudi Arabia allowing them to cross their country.

7/16/2006 10:20:34 AM

Quote :

"stfu, n00b. "

good argument Viper, really, i mean, bravo

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"Eh, as long as my tax dollars aren't killing them, who cares? Besides, destroying the village to save it gets old. If we don't want people to die, let's stop shooting at them and bombing them."

this has what to do with what i said and the rest of my post?

7/16/2006 10:33:05 AM

I love it how anyone who speaks out against Israel somehow automatically hates Jews. Let it be known, that the only reason Israel exists today is because of the funding and support of the United States, it isn't because they are somehow "superior". Had it not been for the US, Israel would have been crushed long ago (rightly so) by the Arabs and order would have been restored. I don't think people understand the magnitude of what all out war in the ME would have on our economy. The baseline of our economy is petroleum and when the price of oil rises, it suffers. An all out war in the ME would drive oil prices up astonomically, virtually bringing our economy to a stand still. I guess it doesn't matter if we have another Great Depression so long as the "poor, poor, Jews" don't get kicked off the land they stole. Also, this would not likely be only a war of US/Israel VS the ME. Other countries, most notably China, have HUGE investments oil wise in countries like Iran. It would be foolish to believe that a Chinese economic hit wouldn't hurt us, as America's economy is tied to China's economy.

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 1:11 PM. Reason : ..]

7/16/2006 1:11:23 PM

^^^ dude it seems like these countries are capable of many things

7/16/2006 1:30:37 PM

Such as?

7/16/2006 1:39:30 PM

Bridget, you need help.

7/16/2006 2:07:34 PM

Quote :

"I love it how anyone who speaks out against Israel somehow automatically hates Jews."

we dont think you hate jews because you speak out against israel...but we know you hate jews because of this...

Quote :

"Israel would have been crushed long ago (rightly so)"

we know if you had your way they would just be wiped off the map because "they stole the land!!"...or whatever it is you keep saying....racist

7/16/2006 3:33:07 PM

^^

Quote :

"mytwocents: The Israelis managed to take 'nothing' and turn it into something that makes money to sustain them as a people. what have the Palestinians done? Nothing, just complain about what they don't have. If Israel was wiped off the earth, and the Palestinians had the run of the land, they'd use up all the resources there and start on the destruction of the other countries in the immediate area. Of course those other countries won't think twice about bombing the ever loving shit outta them so if I were a Palestinian, I'd be thanking my lucky stars that my 'enemy' is as sane as the Israelis."

Quote :

"mytwocents: Well I guess how you would define superiority would matter in what context...and it's hard to quantify something like that, but people like to talk in terms of money so...and bear in mind that I'm stating FACTS Israel - pop.6,352,117 - (Jewish 77%, Muslim 16%) - GDP per cap=$24,600 - GDP $154.5 billion Westbank - pop.2,460,492 - (Muslim 75%, Jewish 17%) - GDP per cap=$1,100 - GDP $1.8 billion Gaza Strip - pop.1,428,757 - (Muslim 99%, Jewish 0.6%) - GDP per cap=$600 - GDP $768 million so economically the Israelis are FAR superior. And I'd say its fair to say that Israel is FAR superior when it comes to restraint and having morals and if you can honestly say that you don't agree with that, then I guess you missed the '60 Minutes' where a number of Palestinian terrorists (they had all committed murder, and happily admitted to it) were interviewed and one particular guy said that the only reason he was sorry for his crime (he had blown up a store or something) was because it only killed 20 Jews and he wished it had killed 100 times that."

7/16/2006 3:56:24 PM

bridget, seriously, you've got issues

7/16/2006 4:05:50 PM

Quote :

"As in there will be a specific issue and then you will take a side and debate it with facts and opinions and leave the personal attacks, etc, out of it"

7/16/2006 4:09:59 PM

^well as you can see, people didn't listen

7/16/2006 4:11:41 PM

Dude, just take this shit back. Just take it back. Admit you were full of shit. Just do it.

Quote :

"mytwocents: The Israelis managed to take 'nothing' and turn it into something that makes money to sustain them as a people. what have the Palestinians done? Nothing, just complain about what they don't have. If Israel was wiped off the earth, and the Palestinians had the run of the land, they'd use up all the resources there and start on the destruction of the other countries in the immediate area. Of course those other countries won't think twice about bombing the ever loving shit outta them so if I were a Palestinian, I'd be thanking my lucky stars that my 'enemy' is as sane as the Israelis."

Quote :

"mytwocents: Well I guess how you would define superiority would matter in what context...and it's hard to quantify something like that, but people like to talk in terms of money so...and bear in mind that I'm stating FACTS Israel - pop.6,352,117 - (Jewish 77%, Muslim 16%) - GDP per cap=$24,600 - GDP $154.5 billion Westbank - pop.2,460,492 - (Muslim 75%, Jewish 17%) - GDP per cap=$1,100 - GDP $1.8 billion Gaza Strip - pop.1,428,757 - (Muslim 99%, Jewish 0.6%) - GDP per cap=$600 - GDP $768 million so economically the Israelis are FAR superior. And I'd say its fair to say that Israel is FAR superior when it comes to restraint and having morals and if you can honestly say that you don't agree with that, then I guess you missed the '60 Minutes' where a number of Palestinian terrorists (they had all committed murder, and happily admitted to it) were interviewed and one particular guy said that the only reason he was sorry for his crime (he had blown up a store or something) was because it only killed 20 Jews and he wished it had killed 100 times that."

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 4:20 PM. Reason : sss]

7/16/2006 4:19:34 PM

I'm not taking anything back Bridget

7/16/2006 4:24:27 PM

I'm starting to think we should just tell the Jews to pack up and leave.

Ugh. What a headache this is for the rest of the world. This amount of struggle for such a small piece of land isn't worth it, not for any group of people.

7/16/2006 4:46:36 PM

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"I'm starting to think we should just tell the Jews to pack up and leave."

where do you suggest they go?

7/16/2006 4:55:37 PM

^^^Then explain it. I've numbered my objections for you.

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"mytwocents: The Israelis managed to take 'nothing' and turn it into something that makes money to sustain them as a people. (1) what have the Palestinians done? Nothing, just complain about what they don't have. (2) If Israel was wiped off the earth, and the Palestinians had the run of the land, they'd use up all the resources there and start on the destruction of the other countries in the immediate area. (3) Of course those other countries won't think twice about bombing the ever loving shit outta them so if I were a Palestinian, I'd be thanking my lucky stars that my 'enemy' is as sane as the Israelis. (4)"

1. What is so amazing about being able to thrive when you have the help of other nations all over the world? How does this make them better than Palestine?
2. Do you actually think the Palestinians have done nothing? And what do you mean by "nothing"? Have Palestinian refugess "done nothing"? Is there something inherently wrong with a culture/country that doesn't create a "booming" economy? Have you ever attempted to explain the economic disparity, or are you just assuming that Palestine is less successful economically because they are naturally inferior?
3. Do you really think the Palestinians are resource wasters who are dedicated to destruction of the Middle East? Why do you think that? Have you attempted to explain your thoughts to yourself? Or is another one of those "Palestinians are inherently bad" things?
4. When you say that Palestinians should be thankful that their enemy is as sane as the Israelis, are you implying that other countries in the Middle East are insane? Do you view Israel as civilized nation among savages?

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"mytwocents: Well I guess how you would define superiority would matter in what context...and it's hard to quantify something like that, but people like to talk in terms of money so (1)...and bear in mind that I'm stating FACTS Israel - pop.6,352,117 - (Jewish 77%, Muslim 16%) - GDP per cap=$24,600 - GDP $154.5 billion Westbank - pop.2,460,492 - (Muslim 75%, Jewish 17%) - GDP per cap=$1,100 - GDP $1.8 billion Gaza Strip - pop.1,428,757 - (Muslim 99%, Jewish 0.6%) - GDP per cap=$600 - GDP $768 million so economically the Israelis are FAR superior. And I'd say its fair to say that Israel is FAR superior when it comes to restraint and having morals (2) and if you can honestly say that you don't agree with that, then I guess you missed the '60 Minutes' where a number of Palestinian terrorists (they had all committed murder, and happily admitted to it) were interviewed and one particular guy said that the only reason he was sorry for his crime (he had blown up a store or something) was because it only killed 20 Jews and he wished it had killed 100 times that."

1. Why are you so stuck on this economic issue? Why is that, when I challenge your establishing the Israelis as superior, you point to money to support your view? And how can you even begin to compare the economies of Palestine and Israel without considering the circumstances?
2. How can you say this? What university employee taught you that you could actually make the claim that one country is morally superior and "superior when it comes to restraint"? And why are you supporting your absurd claim with a fucking episode of 60 Minutes? That just makes it even more laughable.

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 5:00 PM. Reason : sss]

7/16/2006 4:56:16 PM

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"This amount of struggle for such a small piece of land isn't worth it, not for any group of people."

DUDE, BUT HAVEN'T YOU READ REVELATIONS?!?

haha

7/16/2006 4:57:52 PM

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"where do you suggest they go?"

We didn't give a shit where the Arabs went when we rolled in and took their land. Why should we give a shit where the Jews go? Pick up, find a new home. Whatever.

I'd be willing to pay half or more of my fucking income this year to taxes if it meant a one-time relocation fee for Israel.

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"DUDE, BUT HAVEN'T YOU READ REVELATIONS?!? haha"

I have. It's the most famous mesc trip-journal on the planet.

[Edited on July 16, 2006 at 4:58 PM. Reason : .]

7/16/2006 4:58:26 PM

everyone in this thread is a racist

7/16/2006 5:04:26 PM

Religious leaders are actually meeting right now to figure out ways to move more christians and jews into israel for the impending second coming. I couldn't believe it when I read it in todays paper, but they are really doing this. Christian foundations in America have been helping jews relocated to Israel for awhile, but I guess its time to step up the effort.

7/16/2006 5:20:06 PM

^^ Who is 'we'?

7/16/2006 5:24:59 PM