A Tanzarian & Wlfpk4Life,

Hold up, let her answer my question first...

7/18/2006 10:50:10 PM

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"So that makes hijacking planes and killing innocent peopleAmericans ok?"

When are you going to learn? All Americans are evil, none are innocent, and all deserve to die miserable deaths.

7/18/2006 10:51:02 PM

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"yeah....so then if they had used missles, then that wouldn't have been terrorism?"

then it would have be3n u.s.ism. 9/11 was an act of war against the united states. terrorism and war are two different things.

most terrorists dont destroy stuff. they just provide terror against the public to get lets say 3 billion dollars. theres terrorism like blowing up abortion clinic burning churches demanding 3 million dollars in exchange for hostages. then theres terrorism2; the word israelis made to refer to resistance against their theft/occupation and america uses it to refer to anything that attacks them. terrorism2 is the military of people who don't have legitamite militaries.



[Edited on July 18, 2006 at 10:52 PM. Reason : see?]

7/18/2006 10:51:23 PM

Somebody translate that into english

7/18/2006 10:52:17 PM

huh?

7/18/2006 10:53:00 PM

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"terrorism2 is the military of people who don't have legitamite militaries."

Militaries, as a general rule, fight other militaries. They do not stop a bus full of people and behead them. That's what terrorists do.

[Edited on July 18, 2006 at 11:06 PM. Reason : AS A FUCKING GENERAL RULE YOU IDIOT]

7/18/2006 10:55:51 PM

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"So that makes hijacking planes and killing innocent people ok?"

by no means. but its war. I understand that killing innocent people is only ok if the united states or israel are the ones doing it.

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" When are you going to learn? All Americans are evil, none are innocent, and all deserve to die miserable deaths."

i'm american
i'm innocent
i dont deserve to die a miserable death and nobody does for that matter (even innocent arabs) but when you get killed during war its not just the other sides fault. its the war's fault. all parties especially the initiating agressors and the creation of israel started this war. us aid to israel brought us into it.

7/18/2006 10:57:40 PM

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS HORSESHIT


this is by far the worst SB thread i've read in a LOONG time. on all levels. from the first post and almost every subsequent response.

7/18/2006 10:59:45 PM

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"Militaries, as a general rule, fight other militaries. They do not stop a bus full of people and behead them. That's what terrorists do."

well the us doesnt have a military. we have a group of terrorists because we have premeditated "collateral" many times.

lol we made a cute word for it. we sure do love making up cute words for our evil and ugly words for our enemies defense.


edit.....WAIT A SECOND. i thought al quida, hezbollah and hamas were terrorists. now you claim israel and us can only fight other militaries (unless you agree they are all terrorist)

hoe can you have a WAR ON TERROR if militaries can only fight militaries.

you sir, just cornered yourself.

either you recognize these groups as more than terrorists or you recognize the us and israel as terrorists too. you made this rule now its time to pick!!

[Edited on July 18, 2006 at 11:04 PM. Reason : MEET ME IN THE TRAAAAP]

7/18/2006 11:00:26 PM

Two questions:

1) Was there a Palestinian state governed by Palestinians prior to the creation of Israel in 1948?

2) What did the words 'Palestine' and 'Palestinian' refer to prior to 1948?

7/18/2006 11:00:28 PM

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"premeditated "collateral""

Collateral is "Whoops, we dropped a bomb on your house."

Collateral is not "Hey, lets go cut those guys heads off."

7/18/2006 11:02:33 PM

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"this is by far the worst SB thread i've read in a LOONG time. on all levels. from the first post and almost every subsequent response."

And why are people even arguing with cxmai, who is clearly one of the dumbest fucking people alive?

7/18/2006 11:02:33 PM

jwb9984, guess what, no one said you had to read this thread. and anyway, it seems that it only sucks to you, so...buh bye

^honestly, I'm just trying to understand the mindset. it's not often people who think like that speak english, so I can actually understand her

[Edited on July 18, 2006 at 11:03 PM. Reason : ]

7/18/2006 11:02:57 PM

I'm bored and tired of working on homework

7/18/2006 11:03:09 PM

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"by no means. but its war. I understand that killing innocent people is only ok if the united states or israel are the ones doing it."

If by killing innocents you really mean killing al qaeda insurgents, hezbollah and hamas militants then you'd be correct.

The difference between the United States/Israel killing an innocent civilian and Al Qaeda, et. al. is that the innocents are not considered a target by either the US or Israel (who take great pains to strategically target their enemy and even warn the civil population before said attacks) whereas Al Qaeda and its brother groups hezbollah and hamas consider innocent civilians to be prime targets.

7/18/2006 11:03:49 PM

I'm sure the victims' families are comforted by the fact that we didn't mean to kill them.

7/18/2006 11:05:17 PM

^^^^ you mean, you can actually understand what she says?


[Edited on July 18, 2006 at 11:07 PM. Reason : s]

7/18/2006 11:05:55 PM

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"by no means. but its war. I understand that killing innocent people is only ok if the united states or israel are the ones doing it. "

Worst strawman ever. We don't allow our military to slaughter civilians blatantly or pointedly. That's why when somebody's accused of doing this in our military, it's a point of shame and we investigate them to bring them up on criminal charges. We don't cheer and say God is great because we accomplished our mission (ie slaughtering civilians).

7/18/2006 11:06:44 PM

I'm sure that the victims' families of those who were beheaded are comforted by the fact that they were meant to be killed.

Imagine how much worse the loss of civilian lives would be if the United States or Israel stooped to the level of their enemies.

7/18/2006 11:08:53 PM

PLEASE STOP CLAIMING US AND ISRAEL HAVE NEVER GONE AFTER INNOCENTS. every us military opertation gives collateral estimates ahead of time. look it up if you dont beleive.

japan is a grand example of innocents being TARGETED. i know there are more and more recent cases (many) but i dont have complete knowledge or time so i won't go into them

hiroshima and nagasaki were clearly the 2 MOST INHUMANE INSTANTS OF ALL TIME.

before some dumbass that cant read comes and talks about stalin or hitler i said INSTANT ATTACKS.

with the push of a button hundreds of thousands of innocents were targeted....engaged.....dead.


BOOM

and don't say that was war and this wasn't because its not like japanese were laid back in oklahoma chilling (welll they were in oklahoma BEING TORTURED but thats a different story)

7/18/2006 11:11:42 PM

You know why they were worried and concerned about putting out a 'all you civilians go to XYZ to remain safe'? Because that would give Hezbollah one gigantic target. Where as the Israelis went at one point and told one of the ships that they needed to speed it up and get out of the dock so that they wouldn't get hurt.

do you see no difference?

7/18/2006 11:14:21 PM

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"Two questions: 1) Was there a Palestinian state governed by Palestinians prior to the creation of Israel in 1948? 2) What did the words 'Palestine' and 'Palestinian' refer to prior to 1948?"

and

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"Militaries, as a general rule, fight other militaries."

7/18/2006 11:14:59 PM

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"PLEASE STOP CLAIMING US AND ISRAEL HAVE NEVER GONE AFTER INNOCENTS. every us military opertation gives collateral estimates ahead of time. look it up if you dont beleive."

There's a big difference between collateral damage and targeting a bus of civilians on purpose.

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"japan is a grand example of innocents being TARGETED. i know there are more and more recent cases (many) but i dont have complete knowledge or time so i won't go into them hiroshima and nagasaki were clearly the 2 MOST INHUMANE INSTANTS OF ALL TIME."

60 years ago, man. Even the Japanese don't care about this as much as you do. The fact of the matter is, warfare has changed, and so has this country. This sort of thing isn't "okay" anymore.

7/18/2006 11:15:09 PM

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"Worst strawman ever. We don't allow our military to slaughter civilians blatantly or pointedly. That's why when somebody's accused of doing this in our military, it's a point of shame and we investigate them to bring them up on criminal charges. We don't cheer and say God is great because we accomplished our mission (ie slaughtering civilians)."

we have no desire to because nobodys opressing us. we can destroy any peice of matter on the planet that we choose to so that is not an issue. if the resources were availible im sure they would destroy the israeli and us government and militaries.

7/18/2006 11:15:16 PM

Nobody has said that the US hasn't targeted civilians in the distant past...the US and Israel does not use the target of civilians as a military objective.

How can an event that happened over 60 years ago legitimize the inhumane and otherwise barbaric tactics of Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, etc.?

A once in a lifetime event does not constitute a pattern or accepted practice nor does it have any reflection on the United States' or Israel's current military policy.

7/18/2006 11:18:04 PM

um, if you go into an operation knowing there will be collateral and still carry out that operation you are in essence targeting innocents

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"The fact of the matter is, warfare has changed, and so has this country. This sort of thing isn't "okay" anymore."

o so once america gets the technology to avoid this it is the most horrible thing anyone could ever do.


thats like being the first to have electricity then immidiately outlawing candles.

7/18/2006 11:22:43 PM

um, last time I checked, candles didn't kill any one

7/18/2006 11:23:43 PM

The fact of the matter is, non-violent protest would serve the Arabs a lot better than this horseshit. For people like me who actually think they have a point, it snuffs out my sympathy real fast when they blow up a bus.

7/18/2006 11:25:13 PM

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"How can an event that happened over 60 years ago legitimize the inhumane and otherwise barbaric tactics of Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, etc.?"

because it points out a UGLY double standard. hezbollah and al qaeda are far behind where the us military was in terms of technology 60 years ago and us was not being occupied either therefore all the stuff they do is not nearly as bad as the a-bombs.

7/18/2006 11:25:38 PM

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"um, last time I checked, candles didn't kill any one"

you obviously missed the ferry. it wasnt sopposed to be taken seriously but if you are the first to get electricity and outlaw candles NOBODY ELSE WILL EVER BE ABLE TO SEE AGAIN.

even though you have always used candles before getting electricity.

7/18/2006 11:27:37 PM

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"because it points out a UGLY double standard."

It's not a standard for US conduct anymore. Get over it.

7/18/2006 11:29:16 PM

I'm done for tonight. Perhaps cxmai, with her deep insight into history, will be able to answer these questions by tomorrow.

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"Two questions: 1) Was there a Palestinian state governed by Palestinians prior to the creation of Israel in 1948? 2) What did the words 'Palestine' and 'Palestinian' refer to prior to 1948?"

7/18/2006 11:32:09 PM

^^I agree and to back that up, please help me understand who is committing even more terrorist acts with this link.

http://www.fromisraeltolebanon.org/

[Edited on July 18, 2006 at 11:33 PM. Reason : .]

7/18/2006 11:32:59 PM

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"because it points out a UGLY double standard. hezbollah and al qaeda are far behind where the us military was in terms of technology 60 years ago and us was not being occupied either therefore all the stuff they do is not nearly as bad as the a-bombs."

So that makes targeting busses, beheading/torturing civilians, blindly firing rockets at any target, etc. acceptable because of a one time event that happened over 60 years ago?

Very few people fully understand the consequences of dropping a-bombs all of those many years ago and in hindsight it was a mistake. The terrorists that you defend, however, fully know and understand the consequences of their actions and have no problem with it whatsoever.

Siding with coldblooded madmen and then even rationalizing their behavior makes you almost as terrible of a person as the ones you defend.

[Edited on July 18, 2006 at 11:37 PM. Reason : tsk]

7/18/2006 11:37:01 PM

^^...lets find some pictures of beheaded israelis or americans...innocent people have died on both sides....just cause you have some pictures doesnt mean you are right or that you even have a point...

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"Siding with coldblooded madmen and then even rationalizing their behavior makes you almost as terrible of a person as the ones you defend."

[Edited on July 18, 2006 at 11:44 PM. Reason : asdf]

7/18/2006 11:41:08 PM

the point is that Israel bombs exactly where it wants and it seems like it wants to bomb civilians. By the way, 25 compared to 240 (probably none are hezbollah members) is not even close. Israel is committing the same kind of terrorism as Hezbollah and there is no question about that.

[Edited on July 18, 2006 at 11:46 PM. Reason : .]

7/18/2006 11:45:46 PM

by the way, trikk311, it is too obvious that you are very bias and naive. You are so blinded by what's going on to completely defend Israel and say it is not commiting acts of terrorism.

7/18/2006 11:48:51 PM

thanks for your opinion..thats like the third time you have said that....please note that i think the exact same thing about you...only with you ...you hate israel...so please get past it...

i didnt say what israel was doing was right...all im saying is it would be real easy to find pictures of dead israelis and say "SEE...ARABS ARE BAD!!!"...that website you posted is great...but it means nothing

7/18/2006 11:51:18 PM

again, how do I hate Israel? you are trying to make me anti-jew and I am no where close to that. I do hate what they are doing, because it is acts of terrorism against the whole country and many civilians. Hezbollah is doing acts of terrorism as well, but the worst part about this, is that Israel points and shoots and all this is deliberate whereas, Hezbollah just shoots which is very bad as well.

7/18/2006 11:56:25 PM

first of all...

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"You are so blinded by what's going on to completely defend Israel"

where did i completely defend israel?? i just have no come out screaming like a lunatic that israelis are terrorists...like you have...

you see that as "completely defending israel"...so i think we know how objective you are in this...

7/19/2006 12:02:29 AM

The fact is that Israel is committing terrorist acts just like Hezbollah. What is not terrorism about hitting Lebanese soldiers securing bombed bridge areas like I just saw on LBC international? What is not terrorism about hitting and killing around 200 civilans deliberately while Israel has lost around 20? What is not terrorism about hitting all of Lebanon with bombs and 90% of those areas have nothing to do with Hezbollah?

7/19/2006 12:09:52 AM

what...exactly...would you have israel do??

7/19/2006 12:11:26 AM

^HUH, don't bomb areas that have nothing to do with Hezbollah. Don't kill Lebanese army soldiers that have nothing to do with this. Don't hit every damn truck you see concluding that it is Hezbollah. Don't deliberately kill civilians. If Israel has the balls and wants to erase Hezbollah's power as it says, they should use all their power on Hezbollah, they have to get on the ground, but you know that Israel doesn't usually have much balls on the ground. Use all your force on Hezbollah, not all the other places that aren't remotely linked to him. It is becoming too obvious that Israel is trying to bring Lebanon many years back because of it's advancement.

7/19/2006 12:17:23 AM

you want to talk about people not having balls on the ground? what do you think Hezbollah would do if Israel invaded on the ground?? they would hide in houses. with civilians. they would never stand and find. then they would take pot-shots at israeli soldiers and lots of israeli soldiers would die..

if im a person in charge of the israeli army...i say "screw invasion...why would we invade and risk our own soldiers dying when we can just bomb the heck out of them??"

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"they should use all their power on Hezbollah,"

so again...how do you propose they do that?? Hezbollah will not stand and fight...what else is israel doing to do??

7/19/2006 12:21:46 AM

see that is another big problem with this. Israel can never win like this since you don't really know who Hezbollah is, where it's fighting from or how to defeat them. Unless you get on the ground and are very strong on the ground, Israel will not win. Are they bombing the whole country supposing that a civil war will occur between the sunnis and shiits or that so much pressure will be put on Hezbollah that they will disarm and give up the soldiers? They don't have the balls to go in on ground, that's known about Israel. Definitely, the way it is going, nobody will win. If you see someone shooting from a house, then you have the right to bomb the hell out of them.

[Edited on July 19, 2006 at 12:28 AM. Reason : .]

7/19/2006 12:27:53 AM

well..im not saying israelshoud handle it like this...but ...the vast majority of israels neighbors want israel shot to hell and gone...so even if they are no actively involved in terrorist activites...screw them...israel is going to bomb everyone

its not an insult to say that israel doesnt have balls...who needs balls...they have bombs...soo...unless arabs get thier crap straight...they are all going to die..

which sucks

7/19/2006 12:32:59 AM

what is your opinion on the whole WMD thing? do you think there are some and if so, who has them?

7/19/2006 12:36:44 AM

Hey, cxmai, what about the AMERICAN lives that were saved by the A-bomb being dropped? You do realize that an invasion of Japan WAS planned, yes? If that plan had been implemented, it would have taken hundreds of thousands of American lives, possibly as many as a million.

To paraphrase an appropriate quotation: The idea is not to die for your country; you try to make the other dumb son of a bitch die for HIS country! War is hell, but it's better to be the victor than the vanquished.

Concerning the situation in the Mideast, if a hostile force were to launch rockets that landed on American soil as happened in Israel, the overwhelming majority of us would be ready to nuke 'em. I say Israel has a right to defend itself--just as other sovereign nations do. But from the broader perspective, do the Jewish people not--at long last, after centuries of persecution--deserve the right to be left the fuck alone?

How can Israel "negotiate" with groups of people who continually call for the utter destruction of the nation? I say to Israelis, if ANYBODY attacks you, pound them with all you have until there is nothing left but a blood puddle.

If a nation simply defending itself leads to World War III, I'll go back into the US Army and fight right now. I don't want it to happen, but fuck the bullshit! I say, if an opposing force wants some, then let's rock and roll, motherfuckers.

7/19/2006 1:09:54 AM

Look, it doesn't really matter what cxmai or babzi or jwb9984 think, and I'd pay good money to see cxmai say 'LONG LIVE HEZBOLLAH' out in public to a group of people, and even more money to see her/him/it tell a group of people how Al Queda would have used missles just like the US military does, but they couldn't get one so they used a plane instead.

The minute you start to defend terrorists, and if you think Hezbollah is anything but, then you are delusional, that's when people don't give a flying fuck what you say, no matter how legitmate your initial stance or argument is. But this is why terrorists blow themselves up and live in caves and are at the mercy of some higher ranking someone who when they say, 'OK, go blow yourself up' they say, 'OK', will not win anything in the end. And be assured that they won't win, and the dumb mother fuckers are gonna die and no one's gonna care. NO ONE except the delusional people, but in reality, they don't count

7/19/2006 1:18:19 AM

^^

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"hooksaw: how many AMERICAN lives were saved by nuking Japan "

thats what your granddad told your dad, and what your dad told you, right?

and youve never bothered to question it.

you just accept that faulty logic at face value, with never a critical thought, huh?

and i suspect that's gotten you through most of your 39-years.

o well, i guess if it works for you. ignorance is bliss, as they say.'





[Edited on July 19, 2006 at 1:22 AM. Reason : ]

7/19/2006 1:19:43 AM