I get the feeling a lot of you think that stem cell research is illegal. That's ok, most of you don't get anything at all.

You started this shit off with "stopped those Godless scientists" as if stopping federal funding of something stops it. Stem cell research is already having billions of private dollars poured into it. That's capitalism you god damned communist. Stop trying to fuck with it.

7/19/2006 10:29:20 PM

no one thinks it's illegal chief

and here, first search:

Quote :

"Yet public opinion sides strongly with giving scientists an opportunity to explore the possibilities. A recent Gallup poll found Americans considered stem cell research using human embryos to be morally acceptable by a 2-to-1 margin, and other measures have found majority support for putting federal dollars behind the effort. "

http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2006/07/19/ap2890782.html

7/19/2006 10:34:01 PM

I see, 2:1 find it acceptable. And a majority want federal funding...like 51%? Is that overwhelming?

7/19/2006 10:35:02 PM

http://www.pollingreport.com/science.htm

Quote :

"Do you think the federal government should or should not fund research that would use newly created stem cells obtained from human embryos?" Should 56% Should not 40% unsure 4%"

I'm overwhelmed...

7/19/2006 10:37:15 PM

a higher percentage than bush's "public mandate"

7/19/2006 10:38:24 PM

Hey, guess what. You only need that amount to get elected president. But you need higher than that to overturn a veto.

Welcome to your country you fucking moron.

7/19/2006 10:39:21 PM

hey, guess what

the majority of americans support stem cell research and public funding

i was correct, you were not. continue with the personal attacks though

7/19/2006 10:40:17 PM

Really...I could have sworn I was promised an OVERWHELMING majority.

[Edited on July 19, 2006 at 10:42 PM. Reason : .]

7/19/2006 10:41:59 PM

argue semantics is all you can do i suppose

[Edited on July 19, 2006 at 10:42 PM. Reason : .]

7/19/2006 10:42:37 PM

Quote :

"polls show an overwhelming majority of americans support government funded research"

Wondering why 56% counts as overwhelming isn't symantics.
That's like saying "The amount of people killed by spontaneous combustion is reaching epidemic levels"

Only to later find out it was 3 people over 30 years and I just like to use that term.

7/19/2006 10:43:45 PM

the majority of americans support government funded research

there, i've changed it.

does that make you happy in your pants?

are you done?

7/19/2006 10:45:17 PM

i heard 75% in one report...but who knows where each of these were taken.

Either way, score one for Catholicism and other moral hard-liners. This reminds me of when I heard that this debate was reopened in ireland a few weeks ago after their PM met with Der Pope.

[Edited on July 19, 2006 at 10:46 PM. Reason : .]

7/19/2006 10:45:40 PM

See, here's what some people are missing.
Some people don't oppose fed. funding of stem cell research because they think its wrong. They oppose it because they don't want the government involved in it.

People have this sad idea that we can cure almost anything with stem cell research and all we need is some federal cashflow. But this research has already been going on for years. Let the private enterprise take care of this. They do a good job.

7/19/2006 10:48:45 PM

But Waluigi, my poll was kind of old. If you could find a newer one (with a decent set of standards) that says 75%, I'll retract my statement.

Although, they still need 66% in each house to agree with it.

7/19/2006 10:49:41 PM

OK, I'm going to bed. I have to work early in the morning and pay taxes so that the money is ready for the veto.

I'll try to make time to argue this point in the morning.

I'll let Wlfpack4life get in here and argue the moral side. I'll handle the "get the government outta my private enterprise" side tomorrow, which is why I oppose stem cell funding.

7/19/2006 10:51:24 PM

this was according to a doctor interviewed on npr this afternoon...id have to go look at that and see how legitimate the interviewee was.

practicality says it should have gone through anyway. on the average, how many frozen embryos even get inserted into a woman's uterus and how many get discarded at some point? anyone have any idea?

we all know what the moral implications are here...we dont need to hear them again.

[Edited on July 19, 2006 at 10:54 PM. Reason : .]

7/19/2006 10:53:13 PM

Quote :

"Josh###, I believe the federal government doesn't foot the bill for that."

yes they do.

7/19/2006 10:58:54 PM

Honestly, I'm asking...

Really?

I thought fertility treatment was costly to the couple using it. Or so it has been with those I know that used it. What part of it is funded by the federal government.

I can concede the point, I just wanted to be sure.

7/19/2006 11:02:37 PM

Quote :

"What part of it is funded by the federal government."

all the research that was done on in vitro fertilization and implantation

7/19/2006 11:12:11 PM

But is money going to that research on Bush's watch.
If money went there before, he can't really help that even if he disagrees with it, right?

Now, if the money is still going there, then I can see you calling him out on the inconsistent stance.

7/20/2006 7:21:34 AM

Quote :

" "the one with no results whatsoever " no point in even arguing with someone this stupid "

Uhh... you claim that embryonic stem cell research HAS yielded results? Show me.

Quote :

"with conservatives, if it has the potential to be life human life IT IS HUMAN LIFE "

No, potential has nothing to do with it. If it IS human life, IT IS HUMAN LIFE. This statement is so simple even you could understand it, I am quite sure?

[Edited on July 20, 2006 at 1:36 PM. Reason : add]

7/20/2006 1:34:39 PM

Quote :

"Uhh... you claim that embryonic stem cell research HAS yielded results? Show me. "

Quote :

"Scientists in Australia have grown human prostate in mice using embryonic stem cells. In a world first, the scientists combined human embryonic stem cells with mouse prostate cells, and used a mouse as the host to grow the human prostate. The researchers were able to show that it was also functioning as a human prostate. Doctors world wide would now be able to use this prostate as a model for studying prostate cancer and disease, and to produce future drugs."

[Edited on July 20, 2006 at 1:40 PM. Reason : ^pwnt?]

7/20/2006 1:38:24 PM

Wow. You know that is such a coincidence. It was not three days ago that a friend and I were talking about his pet mouse, and I said, "Dude! You know what that mouse needs?" and he said "What?" And I said "A human prostate." He looked at me in awe and said "YES!!! How cool would that be!!"

7/20/2006 1:41:22 PM

you're an idiot. it's the fact that we used a non-specialized stem cell to grow an organ. not what animal it was implanted in.

7/20/2006 1:42:59 PM

But I'm interested in real results that mean something - in terms of curing human diseases. Right now, 72 diseases have been cured using adult stem cell research. 0 diseases have been cured using embryonic stem cell research. The results seem clear to me.

And even so, it doesn' tmatter if 1000 diseases are cured if we are using unethical means to obtain those cures. Did you know that Dr. Mengele developed several disease cures from his work at Auschwitz?

7/20/2006 1:45:26 PM

^^^wow

i'll just pinch the bridge of my nose and shake my head. what else can you do??

[Edited on July 20, 2006 at 1:45 PM. Reason : ,]

7/20/2006 1:45:41 PM

what are these 72 diseases that have been cured?

7/20/2006 1:46:01 PM

Quote :

"And even so, it doesn' tmatter if 1000 diseases are cured if we are using unethical means to obtain those cures."

i know its been said 24009324 times, but you DO know that these embryos are going to be thawed and thrown in the garbage, right?

7/20/2006 1:47:22 PM

Maybe not. You did see the snowflake babies, right? Even so that does not give the government the right to treat them as spare parts.

Answer to someone's question:
http://www.stemcellresearch.org/facts/treatments.htm (Maybe cures was a bit strong language - advances toward cures would be more reasonable)

Quote :

"i'll just pinch the bridge of my nose and shake my head. what else can you do??"

Be sure to move the arm that is holding your nose in conjunction with your head movements, otherwise you might break your nose. And that would be funny.

[Edited on July 20, 2006 at 1:49 PM. Reason : add]

7/20/2006 1:48:39 PM

do you have any idea how IVF works????

7/20/2006 1:49:01 PM

^^plz to provide legitimate reference

[Edited on July 20, 2006 at 1:49 PM. Reason : ^^]

7/20/2006 1:49:28 PM

That is a legitimate reference. Look at it. You could not possibly have looked at all those references in just that tiny fraction of a time it took you to respond with something silly.

7/20/2006 1:50:18 PM

well i read the part that said that it wasn't fully referenced.

7/20/2006 1:51:43 PM

Read further.

7/20/2006 1:53:10 PM

Quote :

"You did see the snowflake babies, right? "

you could use the DNA in one of my skin cells to make a snowflake baby

that doesnt mean each of my skin cells has a right to life

7/20/2006 1:54:29 PM

Haha, Catholics trying to participate in the scientific community.

7/20/2006 1:54:41 PM

Quote :

"That is a legitimate reference."

so what? the site is obviously biased. sure adult stem cells have yielded results. but just because this website says "none" for embryonic stem cells doesn't make it so.

and it certainly doesn't mean embyronic stem cells have no potential

[Edited on July 20, 2006 at 1:58 PM. Reason : .]

7/20/2006 1:56:59 PM

^too bad you didnt have that same logic when it came down to WMDs

7/20/2006 2:02:32 PM

because that's relevant

7/20/2006 2:05:52 PM

If you guys haven't figured it out by now, TreeTwista is trolling. Everything he types is a logical fallacy, on purpose.

Just ignore him and he might go away.

7/20/2006 2:07:07 PM

^^its just funny he is openminded when it comes to stem cell research and basically admits lack of proof does not prove lack of evidence

but he used completely different "logic" with the WMDs

i know this is a touchy subject for you sarijoul and nothing is relevant if you dont want to believe it is

^suck a cock you faggot, i have the right to post here as much as you

7/20/2006 2:07:36 PM

treetwister. go fuck yourself. please dont ruin another perfectly fine thread.

getting back to embryonic stem cells. they certainly have more potential than adult stem cells, mostly because of their ability to become any type of human tissue. adult stem cells are already specialized, and their potential to regenerate damaged human tissue is very limited.

embryonic stem cells are the only ones that have the potential to repair vital organs

7/20/2006 2:07:41 PM

jwb you dont know shit about anything

7/20/2006 2:08:11 PM

this issue is a loser for conservatives

keep pushing it

7/20/2006 2:09:34 PM

add something to the discussion at hand treetwista, I DARE YOU

7/20/2006 2:09:45 PM

who gives a fuck? apparently you no-lifes

ok heres something for the discussion

"Boy Bush sure is dumb how he vetoed that bill"

"Yeah, I agree, he's an idiot"

"Yep, you are right!"

7/20/2006 2:09:55 PM

ok

7/20/2006 2:11:39 PM

hey guys lets sit for hours and debate bullshit on an internet board instead of doing something remotely proactive that can make an inkling of difference

7/20/2006 2:12:18 PM

Quote :

"Maybe not. You did see the snowflake babies, right? Even so that does not give the government the right to treat them as spare parts."

If the parents check the "donate to science" box, the embryos aren't going to make snowflake babies.

They're going to sit on a shelf until they're used in research, or until their shelf life has passed and are thrown out.

7/20/2006 2:13:16 PM

^^hypocrite much?

[Edited on July 20, 2006 at 2:13 PM. Reason : ^^]

7/20/2006 2:13:20 PM