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"Why can't it be both at once?"

It could be both, sure. Since we're speculating about motivations, maybe Israel wants civilians die as payback and/or to terrorize the Muslim world.

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"These aren't nations."

Sending in commandos or some such would also be better. I'm not completely certain, but I don't ever remember the English blowing the hell out of shit to fight Irish terrorists. They were a bit more controlled.

7/31/2006 7:28:41 PM

We should all take this very seriously because Hezbollah is a threat to the american way, ok, maybe not, Hezbollah is a threat to the sanctity of life... Let's try that again, Hezbollah is RigHtEr than Israel because it's sending it's troops on recon missions across borders that could start wars, hmmm.

7/31/2006 9:06:14 PM

the fuck does that even mean?

7/31/2006 9:07:47 PM

GoldenViper, do you reserve judgement on all peoples' obvious motives so readily?

Like, if you saw a guy in your house with a gun, would you say "well, he must want a cup of lemonade"?

7/31/2006 9:24:48 PM

You guys are making this out to be more than it really is. Narrowed down, the motives of each party lead to one thing and that is killing each other off. It's elimination of threat, ie. war. I think we're all trying to point out the civilized and the not so civilized aspects of this conflict, but thats all bullshit since human civility is completely absent under the condition of war. The propraganda tactic used by hezbollah will continue as it would given the situation reversed. Not to say they're angels for doing it, just that it's their best option right now since they are an outnumbered, out-gunned, guerrilla force. We certainly used our fair share of proganda when we were fighting the British during the revolution. It's nothing new or out of the ordinary in war, as is women and children dying. It's all sick. Futhermore, Isreal is apparently undergoing the joys of fighting a guerilla force. They're using weapons that while are more precise, lack perfectly trained soldiers. There's no such thing as a perfect soldier or a perfect regime change or a perfect war in general. The way I see it both sides are at fault here, due to their failure in resolving a war that has been going on for thousands of years. In conclusion they're both idiots.

7/31/2006 10:28:24 PM

Uh this is different than "propaganda". This is using civilians (your own countrymen) as news-fodder.

7/31/2006 10:33:21 PM

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"If I shoot at you surrounded by shoppers at Walmart, and you as a police officer, shoot back knowing that I am so close to the shoppers that a few civilians will be hit, you will be doubly evil. And you know YOU WILL GET INTO TROUBLE, and maybe even debadged or sentenced. So why can't we apply that to countries."

What about if we're both surrounded by shoppers. And I know you will not stop shooting at me until every shopper around me is dead.

Then can't I shoot you because I'm saving the lives of the shoppers around me even if a few of those around you die.

Don't fall victim to moral squeamishness.

7/31/2006 10:38:03 PM

I just love it when people say, 'well, they're both just idiots, they should have settled it without this bloodshed crap'

makes me sad that people are really that uniformed

7/31/2006 10:40:10 PM

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"GoldenViper: Perhaps make a prisoner exchange, as Hezbollah supposedly wanted.""

This is the kind of guy you see with the child screaming in the store for candy. If you give in to people's tantrums, they have a fantastic incentive to do it again.

Prisoner exchanges are something that civilized nations do with one another during war. Hezbollah is not civilized. They kidnapped these soldiers, not "captured" them

7/31/2006 10:43:15 PM

^^^^I think propaganda covers that, atleast from what I understand of its definition.

The Scott, Foresman Advanced Dictionary defines propaganda as:

1. systematic effort to spread opinions or beliefs; any plan or method for spreading opinions or beliefs

so what you just described (verifiable or not) is still just a form of propaganda.


^^please elaborate

7/31/2006 10:44:09 PM

So, like, Calculus class is covered in there too?

7/31/2006 10:45:44 PM

that I need to elaborate is even more sad....

7/31/2006 10:46:04 PM

5x^agreed 100%

israel has even come out and said they don't beleive in diplomacy and will not negotiate. war and bloodshed is the only way they boogey.

by now people should understand that if someone look at israel the wrong way they will kill them, their family, their landlord, neighbors, and even their parole officer. with a smile on their face.

[Edited on July 31, 2006 at 10:47 PM. Reason : mytwos frist post]

7/31/2006 10:47:21 PM

^^I got all the tissues in the world. Tell me how I might be misinformed by saying "both sides are at fault here, due to their failure in resolving a war that has been going on for thousands of years."

7/31/2006 10:53:50 PM

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"by now people should understand that if someone look at israel the wrong way they will kill them, their family, their landlord, neighbors, and even their parole officer. with a smile on their face."

way to demonize them, you get a gold star

7/31/2006 10:57:01 PM

super....just a heads up....regardless of whether you and I agree/disagree or end up name calling, I'm seriously trying to help you out with this next statement:

Don't bother having any sort of conversation/argument/debate with cxmai...heshe as it is agreed by EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD, is either a troll or a terrorist.

7/31/2006 10:59:57 PM

if i was a member of a terrorist sleeper cell located in Boston, do you really think i'd be on the wolf web posting?

i would have something better to do, like study for my flight school test in the morning, take picture of future targets, or plan my next strike.

7/31/2006 11:05:13 PM

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"by now people should understand that if someone look at israel the wrong way they will kill them, their family, their landlord, neighbors, and even their parole officer. with a smile on their face. "

no...what they have proven is that if you lob rockets at them and kidnap thier soldiers then they will kill you....which...they should...more power to them

7/31/2006 11:08:12 PM

ok then they will attempt to kill your ideaology by killing anything that moves in and destroying your country.


i mean, do you really think they can kill hezbollah? like, with guns and bombs?

7/31/2006 11:11:06 PM

i dont know...they can kill members of hezbollah and make it very costly to be a member...and thats what they should do

hang on....im actually discussing something with you...crap

will you promise not to outright make things up and post fake pictures??


[Edited on July 31, 2006 at 11:13 PM. Reason : asdf]

7/31/2006 11:12:29 PM

Well that was definitely a troll-ish post but I wouldn't go calling anyone a turrist for expressing their opinion.

As for the redundant battle for Jerusalem, I know it's not gonnna stop over a cease fire or a peace treaty. I'm not that naive. It's gonna be a long process which needs to be left alone to be mitigated by the warring parties themselves. Foreign intrusion has aggravated this conflict to some degree and I believe foreign aid should only be employed in the form medical supplies and food. Let the idiots kill each other till it's just not worth fighting for, give refuge to the ones caught up in the struggle.

7/31/2006 11:17:56 PM

many members join hezbollah to die so you are helping hezbollah by killing them. helping your enemy and killing civilians in the process....man, that is some damn good war planning right there.

and are you saying the pictures don't really exist? they are real-> pictures.

never have and never will do ANYTHING fake.

7/31/2006 11:18:15 PM

well...they will kill hezbollah...thats all that matters...and if they can help the insane muslims go to heaven and get thier virgins...again...more power to them

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"and are you saying the pictures don't really exist?"

haha..yes...that EXACTLY what i said....you idiot...why am i talking to you?? ...learn how to speak and read english

you posted pictures of people with fake burns and said they were pictures of lebonese kids who were burned by israeli chemical weapons....why did you do it??



[Edited on July 31, 2006 at 11:23 PM. Reason : asdf]

7/31/2006 11:20:42 PM

nsfw

[Edited on July 31, 2006 at 11:24 PM. Reason : nsfw]

7/31/2006 11:23:41 PM

what im saying has nothing to do with what you just said^

hey cxmai...why did you post pictures of people with fake burns and claim they were real pictures of lebonese kids??...did younot think we would notice??

way to edit that out, homie

[Edited on July 31, 2006 at 11:25 PM. Reason : asdf]

7/31/2006 11:24:56 PM

those burns are almost exactly what lebanese kids are suffering from right now so it really doesn't matter. you make it sound like I posted some random fake picture of something tottally different and said it was lebanese kids.

[Edited on July 31, 2006 at 11:32 PM. Reason : like to try and trick people or something]

7/31/2006 11:31:10 PM

yeah...whatevr...

why did you post pictures of people with OBVIOUSLY fake burns and try to pass them off as real pictures of lebonese kids who were burned by isreali chemical weapons?? why were you trying to trick us??

7/31/2006 11:34:15 PM

I wasn't trying to trick anyone. I may have messed up on the wording (typo) but I was only trying to pass them off as what is happening to Lebanese kids. Its not like I can grab a camera, go down there and take some pix for wolfweb.

7/31/2006 11:36:37 PM

uh huh....lets rehash the events as they occurred

...you posted this

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"**warning** images of what used to be lebanese children"

then you posted a picture of an iraqi kid and a picture of white chick with make-up...


now...what about your warning statement implies "these are not real pictures...but they are real representations of real pictures"??

you said "hey look at these pictures of poor lebanese kids"..then you posted pictures of NOT lebanese kids...

thats no typo, darling...you were on one of your hate-filled anti-jew rants and you thought you could put one over on us....and you got cought...admit it

7/31/2006 11:42:59 PM

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"never have and never will do ANYTHING fake"

Oh....so you're saying that you are indeed this person:


Cuong Xuan Mai
Undeclared
Sophomore
Phone: 919-954-7048
cxmai@unity.ncsu.edu

7/31/2006 11:43:20 PM

^no, which is why I never said I was that person. I made it clear why I didn't use my information.

^^"**warning** images of what used to be lebanese children"

that comment was poorly worded (typo) and meant. "images that represent blah blah blah".

A doctor even gave links to them on his blog. A mature audience can understand the concept behind using a representation.

7/31/2006 11:51:20 PM

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"that comment was poorly worded (typo) and meant. "images that represent blah blah blah"."

no...it doesnt....thats wher you got busted...thats where you got called out.....

hey cxmai....

WHY DID YOU POST FAKE PICTURES AND ACT LIKE THEY WERE REAL?!!?!?
WHY DID YOU POST FAKE PICTURES AND ACT LIKE THEY WERE REAL?!!?!?
WHY DID YOU POST FAKE PICTURES AND ACT LIKE THEY WERE REAL?!!?!?
WHY DID YOU POST FAKE PICTURES AND ACT LIKE THEY WERE REAL?!!?!?
WHY DID YOU POST FAKE PICTURES AND ACT LIKE THEY WERE REAL?!!?!?
WHY DID YOU POST FAKE PICTURES AND ACT LIKE THEY WERE REAL?!!?!?

7/31/2006 11:53:58 PM

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"GoldenViper, do you reserve judgement on all peoples' obvious motives so readily?"

Do you assume the worst by default? Do you think the IDF wants to kill kids?

Personally, I'm okay with considering them both monsters. I just don't like people claiming Hezbollah's goal is get civilians killed for propaganda purposes, while at the same time giving giving Israel a pass for actually dropping the bombs.

Both sides are certainly showing gross neglect for the safety of noncombatants.

7/31/2006 11:58:21 PM

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"I just don't like people claiming Hezbollah's goal is get civilians killed for propaganda purposes, while at the same time giving giving Israel a pass for actually dropping the bombs."

I'm not giving Israel a pass, but this is like when they fire from Mosques and then cry when the Mosque gets blown up. They were obviously firing from the Mosque so that either a) they get immunity or b) when it finally gets blown up they can cry OMF ISRAEL BLEW UP A MOSQUE!!!!11

It's win-win for Hezbollah to force the fight in close quarters with civilians, and that's exactly what they're doing. What Israel's doing is trying to make their tactic non-viable by going in and attacking them anyway, regardless of where they are. It doesn't make it "right", but Hezbollah forces the battleground to areas with civilians, not Israel. I doubt Israel would have killed so many as 10 civilians by now if Hezbollah weren't camping in areas that have dense amounts of civilians.

8/1/2006 12:01:25 AM

so then
a) it's just a coincidence that someone at NCSU has the exact same 'name' as you? Or is your point that you intentionally used that name?

b) does this mean that the person in your photogallery is indeed you? Which would be pretty stupid to have done if you're at all concerned about your 'real' information?

8/1/2006 12:03:49 AM

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"Its not like I can grab a camera, go down there and take some pix for wolfweb."

sure you could

8/1/2006 12:09:43 AM

insurgents get the media benefit of the doubt in these modern guerilla wars

8/1/2006 12:10:33 AM

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"I doubt Israel would have killed so many as 10 civilians by now if Hezbollah weren't camping in areas that have dense amounts of civilians."

I don't believe you. Israel has targeted a lot more than just the sites they think rockets are coming from. They've been blowing up airports, roads, power plants, etc.

It's a pity Israel can't just shoot the damn rockets out of the sky. Anti-missile lasers are improving dramatically, so in a few years they might be able to. Tech could theoretically reduce civilian casualties in future conflict, but somehow I doubt it will. I don't think policymakers really care. The public seems to accept a certain level of collateral damage.

8/1/2006 12:16:08 AM

Are you really parking your head in the sand that much that you can't tell these civilians are being used?

8/1/2006 12:19:42 AM

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"Anti-missile lasers are improving dramatically"

yea i heard this on a sci-fi channel documentary....seems like it at least SHOULD be....but i dont know

8/1/2006 12:20:24 AM

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"insurgents get the media benefit of the doubt in these modern guerilla wars"

Reagan, at least, would approve.

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"Are you really parking your head in the sand that much that you can't tell these civilians are being used?"

When have I said they weren't being used?

I wonder, though, how many of the civilians involved support Hezbollah's fight against Israel. Supposedly, Hezbollah's doing will in polls these days.

8/1/2006 12:26:20 AM

theres not much information in my pictures.

8/1/2006 12:31:23 AM

yeah, except for your face, and apparently your supposed initials....

8/1/2006 12:37:28 AM