i like chuck and don't think he's a whiner

i just wanted to reminisce about how fun these games were

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"09/12/1998 Florida State 7 North Carolina State 24 , 10/01/1998 Syracuse 17 North Carolina State 38 ,"

8/22/2006 4:48:49 PM

i agree with what amato said

8/22/2006 4:52:26 PM

I dont blame him for whining when he has to deal with these stupid fucking questions week after week. He probably doesnt want to compare us to the other schools in north carolina, but since the media does, he has to pick out the positive points to counter their attacks. This is the first year that you could really argue that we dont have more talent on the team than the other 4 schools, so we'll find out what he's made of in a few weeks.

[Edited on August 22, 2006 at 4:54 PM. Reason : ]

8/22/2006 4:53:29 PM

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"m pretty sure players want to go to schools like Miami and Ohio State because - they are always national title contenders - they put a shitload of players in the NFL"

has anyone once said otherwise?

once?

ever?

while putting players in the nfl may assist in winning championships which then define a program, putting players in the nfl alone does not define a program.

8/22/2006 4:56:22 PM

the top high school football players want to play in the NFL

they will go to schools that put players in the NFL

simple as that

8/22/2006 4:58:27 PM

OMG ARE YOU PAYING ATTN?

i thought i liked you in ST but fuck it seems like you look at a post, ignore the contents, and then post the saem shit you just said

8/22/2006 5:00:01 PM

1. name one post of mine in this thread thats off base
2. what the hell is your point?

8/22/2006 5:01:48 PM

1. I NEVER SAID YOU WERE WRONG THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE NOT GETTING
2. my point is that the number of players in the nfl is not a measure of success

your point that putting players in the nfl helps recruiting is def valid, it is even true that it is probably a necessary ingredient for success

BUT

it is NOT the direct measure of success

8/22/2006 5:05:57 PM

yeah i mean wins are a measure of that...i just think they're extremely interrelated...its not coincidence that the schools that are consistently good year in and year out, ie Miami, OSU, Oklahoma, Texas, USC are the same teams that have dozens of NFL players...I think regardless of our 7-5 record last year, the draft recognition we got this year was huge and should help our program get better players and more wins

8/22/2006 5:08:21 PM

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"my point is that the number of players in the nfl is not a measure of success"

I agree but it is a damn good measure of GROWTH...this program has grown since Amato got here and will continue too if idiots don't run him off.

22 in the NFL seems low...but out of that 22 there are a lot of quality players that actually play in the NFL now...those are the ones that will put us on the map even more.

This year we have a ton of guys who will get PT...some are from the O'cain days (Adrain Wilson Brian Williams and Torry Holt mainly) but the rest are mostly Amato

Mario Williams - Only ACC player to go #1 overall EVER - starter
Manny Lawson - starter
Steven Tulloch - fighting to start in TEN
McCargo - " in BUF
Cotchery - may start in NYJ b/c the new coaches hate McCarens and love JCo
Rivers - obvious
Terrence Holt - O'cain Recruit but 3 years with Amato should start in DET
Locklear - who Amato made a OL from DT and now starts for the NFC champs

Others are young who may get a shot...P Thomas, Maddox, Edwards, Reid, etc.

8/22/2006 5:19:02 PM

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"not coincidence that the schools that are consistently good year in and year out, ie Miami, OSU, Oklahoma, Texas, USC are the same teams that have dozens of NFL players..."

durrrr

but you seem to think that College is built around the NFL and not the other way around

and youre also making the assumption that if a player goes to a dynasty school it will invariably lead to a pro career

Schools like OSU and ND have had winning traditions that date back far greater than any NFL team, recruits pick dynasty schools because they produce championships- it just so happens that a lot of the players who end up there make it into the small minority of NFL calibre players.

8/22/2006 5:43:19 PM

i definitely agree it is a step in the right direction but if he keeps putting players in the nfl at the same pace and only winning 5-7 games, he is not a good coach.

oh and rivers and cotchery are both o'cain arent they?

and i actually disagree that 22 is low

i think our number of nfl'ers is probably around the median now

oh and redwolf's statement is flat wrong b/c we only have 21 in the nfl right now and some of those amato didnt even coach

[Edited on August 22, 2006 at 5:52 PM. Reason : a]

8/22/2006 5:50:58 PM

might as well call holt an o'cain recruit as well
mario always wanted to play for ncsu

8/22/2006 7:48:35 PM

Give credit where credit is due

O'Cain found some diamonds in the rough, but Amato is a much better recruiter overall.

O'Cain was competing with ECU and Duke for his recruits. Amato competes with Florida schools and other powerhouses for his.

8/22/2006 8:21:45 PM

This thread should be retitled: Mr Grace is a whiner

[Edited on August 22, 2006 at 8:23 PM. Reason : 2]

8/22/2006 8:22:35 PM

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" O'Cain found some diamonds in the rough, but Amato is a much better recruiter overall."

when i see an amato recruited qb work out, i'll agree with that.

hopefully that will happen soon.

8/22/2006 8:24:55 PM

Yeah, Amato's QB recruiting = Herb's PG recruiting

8/22/2006 8:36:40 PM

I just wish he would shut the hell up about the past and look to the future. You shouldnt get a free ride b/c you won a big bowl game in 2003. You should get a free ride b/c you have potential to improve or maintain success, which he might have. We'll see.

8/22/2006 8:40:48 PM

Rivers was Amato's first recruit...Cotchery was essentially recruited by Rivers...they knew each other from a couple of camps in Bama and were both either overlooked or being recruited as another position by Alabama and Auburn so they both ended up here.

8/23/2006 7:41:46 AM

waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh, we aren't as good as USC, Texas or Ohio State......waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh

people need to shut the fuck up and realize what chuck HAS done for us, rather than what he hasn't

8/23/2006 7:49:00 AM

^^Cotchery and Rivers also played at rival high schools in Athens, AL

8/23/2006 8:21:30 AM

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"Rivers was Amato's first recruit"

no, that was MOC / Amato just followed up

8/23/2006 11:23:07 AM

I'd figure it would have taken some balls to keep following up on a guy who was projected to be a TE, and actually have him start at QB.

8/23/2006 11:29:22 AM

why wouldnt you want a guy that mike ocain (quarterback coach) wanted?

8/23/2006 11:34:33 AM

Amato has called himself a loser. "Stats are for losers" as he said, but oh does he bring them up so quickly. Amato's alleged winning seasons didn't bring the facilities--they were a part of him coming here and were in plans before he stepped foot on campus as head coach.

Anyone who brings up the 11 win season needs to be shot, including Amato. Getting 11 wins by beating two 2A schools is hardly an accomplishment. His ACC record is no better than O'Cains last 4 before being booted.

If instate wins make a good program Chuck, why do we consistantly lose to a UNC team with much less talent--as well as Wake Forest?

8/23/2006 12:39:15 PM

amato has a 100% wiining percentage against Duke, a 67% winning percentage against Wake, and a 50% winning percentage against unc.

8/23/2006 12:47:44 PM

but it's all about what have you done for me lately, and lately, we haven't beaten the tarheels (which is part of the reason O'Cain was canned) and squeak by beating wake and wouldn't be surprised if we barely beat ECU this year. Duke doesn't count, especially since they aren't on our regular schedule any longer.

[Edited on August 23, 2006 at 12:53 PM. Reason : .]

8/23/2006 12:52:42 PM

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"Amato has called himself a loser. "Stats are for losers" as he said, but oh does he bring them up so quickly."

Loser stats are "but we had more passing yards!!" Wins and losses don't count as stats that are for losers. They are the important stats.

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"Amato's alleged winning seasons didn't bring the facilities--they were a part of him coming here and were in plans before he stepped foot on campus as head coach."

The facilities upgrades had been planned for the last 15 years.
But they were never built.
Until Amato came.

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"and lately, we haven't beaten the tarheels (which is part of the reason O'Cain was canned)"

Lately, Amato has lost two to UNC. O'Cain lost seven. In a row.
Little bit of a difference.

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"Duke doesn't count, especially since they aren't on our regular schedule any longer."

Amato: 4-0
O'Cain: 5-1

8/23/2006 1:33:44 PM

ocain vs unc was during the mack brown years- when unc was a top 10 football school.

amato vs buntcake is a different comparison

8/23/2006 1:58:24 PM

in his first press conference, amato said he was going to take us to the levels of the fsu, miami, oklahoma, texas, etc.s of the world. Are we on the way to that? I highly doubt it. He shouldn't have written that check, cause his ass can't cash it. Bowls are fine, but he should live up to his own standards. He set the bar high, now lets see him reach it.

8/23/2006 2:10:52 PM

I'm not saying Amato should be fired, because it would be great for our program if he could take us to another level....but you are an ignorant fan if you're satisfied with his coaching. He has been outcoached MANY more times than being the guy that does the outcoaching.

8/23/2006 2:11:02 PM

^true for every year but his first

but we had the dream team of coaches then

until somebody ran them off...

8/23/2006 2:23:29 PM

you people and your over-inflated expectations for our sports programs...

do you realize how the rest of the nation view NC State athletics, football in particular? I'd say Amato is doing a pretty good job bringing talent to a shit-hole of a city like Raleigh.

Now, you say, he hasn't been able to utilize that talent to its best ability? What was the biggest knock on Mario going into the draft? His drive/motor. Chuck may have been able to coach some fire into his belly, but that more often than not comes down to the player making a concious decision to work hard. You can't blame Chuck for that.

Once again...

We aren't Miami, OSU, USC, Notre Dame or even Tennesee...be realistic people.

8/23/2006 2:53:32 PM

^^Ran them off?

Like ANY coach in America could have kept Norm Chow for more than a year or two in Raleigh motherfucking North Carolina.

^^^^And on the field coaching ability is just one of many facets of coaching D-I football. Chuck's made some mistakes and been outcoached a few times. But that's going to happen no matter who we get probably. This is my biggest gripe with Chuck, but no reason to put him on the hotseat.

[Edited on August 23, 2006 at 3:09 PM. Reason : ^^^^]

8/23/2006 3:08:27 PM

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"He is 23-25 in ACC play"

DOES THAT MAKE IT CLEAR ENOUGH WHY HE'S IN THE HOT SEAT???

8/23/2006 3:49:44 PM

yes, ran them off


assistant coaches leaving us to go to schools like navy= run off ie. buddy green (who left a head coaching job to come back to state)

look at the turnover on his staff

then look at other successful programs turnover

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" do you realize how the rest of the nation view NC State athletics, football in particular? I'd say Amato is doing a pretty good job bringing talent to a shit-hole of a city like Raleigh."

um, raleigh is no shithole

west raleigh is a shithole, yes, but the rest is fantastic. hence the fact that raleigh has been voted in the top ten "best cities to live in" for like the past ten years.

[Edited on August 23, 2006 at 3:53 PM. Reason : i dont like ignorant people]

8/23/2006 3:51:50 PM

Raleigh is in fact, a shithole. But that is for another thread.

8/23/2006 3:55:21 PM

it may not be the most attractive city for a football player/college student, but it is certainly not a shithole.

8/23/2006 3:58:29 PM

Raleigh is somewhat of a shithole...especially the part near campus, which is the only Raleigh recruits/players will ever see

I think that Raleigh has been voted as one of the best cities to live in based on crime rates, availability of jobs and North Raleigh's sudden boom...none of which is attractive to recruits.

besides, Raleigh is definitely not a "college town" which cities like austin, south bend, and gainesville all have going for them...

[Edited on August 23, 2006 at 4:03 PM. Reason : i hate people who wear blinders]

8/23/2006 3:59:56 PM

I just read this thread through all the way for the first time and can't believe the SAME people who bashed Herb Back Chuck. WTF?

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"im an equal opportunity hater and if chuck wants to deliver on the hype he's generated, i think criticism is certainly warranted"

I liked Herb and I like Chuck, but damn if the double standard doesn't piss me off. We throw basically ALL of our athletic money into football for what Tire Bowl wins? Chuck has ONE winning ACC season in 6 years. Herb had winning seasons I believe in 4 of his last 5.

I am not really on the fire Chuck wagon, LOL, but I am not really supporting him either right now.

8/23/2006 4:05:23 PM

well, herb was also here for 10 years.

8/23/2006 4:08:23 PM

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"i like chuck and don't think he's a whiner"

and no, Raleigh is not a shit-hole of a city

8/23/2006 4:24:10 PM

^compared to miami, LA, gainesville, athens, austin, even fucking charlottesville, yes it is

8/23/2006 4:27:06 PM

Why in the world is Chuck being compared to MOC? Why didn't we compare Herb to Les(s) Robinson????

MOC's last 3 years: 6-5, 7-5, 6-6. Yes he lost to UNC, but they werent the shit team they are now. They were the 2nd best ACC team. OCain routinely beat Clemson and Maryland, something Chuck has done little. We also beat DONOVAN MCNABB and Syracuse TWICE, even at the Carrier Dome, when they were a top 15 team.

Chuck's last 3 years: 8-5, 5-6, 7-5. Two shitty bowl wins, but bowl wins nevertheless. 2 wins over FSU. 2 losses to UNC. 2 Losses to Wake. What big wins do we have other than when Bowden lets Chuck keep his job?

8/23/2006 4:44:34 PM

that wasn't whining. he was answering a question that was posed to him very candidly. keep came off sound like a dick, but he's right.

8/23/2006 7:17:19 PM

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"^compared to miami, LA, gainesville, athens, austin, even fucking charlottesville, yes it is"

have you ever watched 'the first 48 hours' on A&E? miami is one of the dirtiest and most dangerous cities in the country.

get your head outta you ass. raleigh and the triangle is one of the most up-and-coming areas in the US.

8/23/2006 7:21:54 PM

^doesn't get it...

we're talking about attractiveness to recruits here...miami being a "rough and tumble" city is probably something recruits like...besides, miami is miami, the overall size of the city, nightlife, the abundance of hot pussy would be a major selling point. the quality of women (big selling point) in raleigh doesn't hold a candle to miami/LA/gainesville/athens.

raleigh is an up and coming city in the U.S., I don't dispute that...but that quality is attractive to affluent, white people with jobs, which, for the most part, is not the demographic of college football recruits.

me thinks it is YOU who needs to get their head out of YOUR ass...

8/23/2006 7:33:41 PM

guys with a real shot of getting into the nfl don't choose a school based upon the "abundance of hot pussy." sure, it's a plus, but shit like you mention doesn't matter. they want coaches with a track record of getting guys NFL money. amato is one of those coaches.

ask one of them.

8/23/2006 7:38:23 PM

my point is that compared to some of the higher profile programs locations, raleigh is a shit-hole and Chuck does a good job of getting top notch players to a mid level program in a crappy location.

8/23/2006 7:51:54 PM

^^ actually, if a kid already knows/feels that he has a real shot of getting into the nfl, then he very well might use the abundance of hot pussy as the dealmaker. for example, let's look at basketball players like lebron james. the kid was definitely elite nba caliber. he could've gone anywhere he damn well pleased. so, for him, he might choose a shitty city/school because of the hot pussy. of course, there aren't any lebron james types in football, but i hope you still get what i'm trying to get across.

not everyone thinks intelligently about their future. i'm sure there have been several legitimate nfl caliber kids coming out of high school who are cocky enough to pick the party school over a school with a top coaching staff. then, there are the programs who get the best of both, like the florida schools, usc, and texas.

8/23/2006 7:59:27 PM