gunzz IS NÚMERO UNO 68205 Posts user info edit post |
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MacTuckIzzle Suspended 1614 Posts user info edit post |
Another good game by Vick and another win. Seems to happen alot when he starts. 9/17/2006 4:29:18 PM |
ncWOLFsu Gottfather FTL 12586 Posts user info edit post |
he's just a fucking running back. he had more rushing yards than passing yards. 9/17/2006 4:32:31 PM |
MacTuckIzzle Suspended 1614 Posts user info edit post |
oh well, nobody is arguing that he runs alot. And like I have said before, who cares how you get the yards, as long as you get them. Thats why he is so good, they don't know if he is gonna pass or run. See Simms, the guy rushed for 3 yrds, so you know if he doesnt hand it off, he is passing. Vick is special because of this, he always keeps the other team guessing and off balance. Simms passed for 313 yds today, and didnt even have a TD, so stop acting like passing yards are the shit 9/17/2006 4:34:40 PM |
rallydurham Suspended 11317 Posts user info edit post |
Vick with another dominating performance.
If that kicker doesnt miss 4 FG"s and the WR doesn't fumble in the red zone they woulda won by 30...
This guy is fucking amazing. He just singlehandedly destroyed Tampa's defense.
Not to mention he woulda had another 40-50 yards passing if it hadn't been for that pass interference on the surefire deep TD pass... 9/17/2006 5:55:56 PM |
MacTuckIzzle Suspended 1614 Posts user info edit post |
This pretty much sums up why Vick is so good and doesn't need to rely on "stats" to appear good.
Quote : | "Said Tampa Bay defensive end Simeon Rice, who has helped contain Vick in the past, but who was held to one tackle and no sacks Sunday: "It was the impromptu part of it. It was a 'make it up as you go' thing. They didn't require him to stay in the pocket. They allowed him to make plays with his feet. He got up the field. He held onto the ball. The bootleg worked well. Listen, they were on-point today. They did their thing. They put pressure on us in every facet." " |
9/17/2006 9:25:50 PM |
statefan24 All American 9157 Posts user info edit post |
when I see him stay healthy for a whole year and get to the superbowl, he might qualify as a golden god. 9/17/2006 9:28:07 PM |
MacTuckIzzle Suspended 1614 Posts user info edit post |
So you wouldn't consider Peyton one either? 9/17/2006 10:01:04 PM |
jdman the Dr is in 3848 Posts user info edit post |
bttt for MNF
this vick character really is a golden god
for the first couple of games a season 9/25/2006 9:40:11 PM |
rallydurham Suspended 11317 Posts user info edit post |
okay i get it.
you are blaming Vick for the dropped passes and the receivers who fall down on every play.
but not crediting him with the 50 yard bomb, the would be TD pass to Crumpler, the sick ass play near the goaline...
I understand.
Its Vicks fault the Falcons have had two kicks blocked and cant defend the pass. 9/25/2006 10:20:40 PM |
Quinn All American 16417 Posts user info edit post |
the fact that he doesnt have any INTS against that pass coverage of the saints is insane 9/25/2006 10:40:19 PM |
jbrick83 All American 23447 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "you are blaming Vick for the dropped passes and the receivers who fall down on every play.
but not crediting him with the 50 yard bomb, the would be TD pass to Crumpler, the sick ass play near the goaline...
I understand.
Its Vicks fault the Falcons have had two kicks blocked and cant defend the pass." |
This shit happens every game to every quarterback. Maybe there were a couple more drops tonight than most nights but the bottom line is.....
12/31 for 137 yards....39% completion is horrible.
Vick will NEVER be a great QB for that reason. He'll just be a great athlete and an average to above average QB.9/26/2006 12:25:33 AM |
wolfpack2105 All American 12428 Posts user info edit post |
ok, i'll give him 3 completions that were drops(which is being REALLY fuckin generous seeing as how receivers drop passes every game)
15-31 160 yds....1 td
Still not golden god status and his team still loses 9/26/2006 12:30:03 AM |
jnpaul All American 9807 Posts user info edit post |
god at sucking monkey balls during a football game...maybe 9/26/2006 12:35:17 AM |
ncWOLFsu Gottfather FTL 12586 Posts user info edit post |
gotta love that 38% completion percentage
vick is the man 9/26/2006 12:55:11 AM |
Sleik All American 11177 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "okay i get it.
you are blaming Vick for the dropped passes and the receivers who fall down on every play.
but not crediting him with the 50 yard bomb, the would be TD pass to Crumpler, the sick ass play near the goaline...
I understand.
Its Vicks fault the Falcons have had two kicks blocked and cant defend the pass." |
BUT WE'RE GONNA GIVE HIM 107% OF THE CREDIT WHEN THE FALCONS WIN
SEE WHAT I DID THERE9/26/2006 1:01:47 AM |
tmmercer All American 2290 Posts user info edit post |
yeah i love the people that suck vicks dick...whenever they win its all because of him...when they lose...it has nothing to do with him...since when is 3 points going to win a game 9/26/2006 1:03:17 AM |
ssjamind All American 30102 Posts user info edit post |
9/26/2006 1:26:48 AM |
Stein All American 19842 Posts user info edit post |
It's silly to really blame this loss on Vick though. Realistically, he was the only player on the Falcons who didn't quit in the first quarter. 9/26/2006 1:35:36 AM |
drunknloaded Suspended 147487 Posts user info edit post |
i was thinking about it today and i was like man i kinda think michael vick was better back in the day when he ran all the time 9/26/2006 1:36:46 AM |
AndyMac All American 31922 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "It's silly to really blame this loss on Vick though. Realistically, he was the only player on the Falcons who didn't quit in the first quarter Already makes enough money so that the bribes didn't affect him." |
[Edited on September 26, 2006 at 1:38 AM. Reason : ]9/26/2006 1:37:45 AM |
9one9 All American 21497 Posts user info edit post |
i think vick is ok but has some pretty bad support at times (from all positions except RB)
dangerous on every play, but not reliable
though its gotta be tough trying to catch a football coming at you at 100mph while running/jumping/twisting/whatever
professional football player or not
sometimes you just need to take a little off a throw 9/26/2006 1:39:46 AM |
Prawn Star All American 7643 Posts user info edit post |
ngatru
not a whole lot of touch on his passes
His o-line was terrible today, but it was very good during the first 2 weeks when they set rushing records.
Same with the Atlanta D, which could do no wrong the first 2 weeks.
Looks kinda like a repeat of last year
[Edited on September 26, 2006 at 2:09 AM. Reason : 2] 9/26/2006 2:07:28 AM |
9one9 All American 21497 Posts user info edit post |
so why is everyone screaming conspiracy? 9/26/2006 2:17:35 AM |
JT3bucky All American 23258 Posts user info edit post |
because their golden boy Vick lost.
he was made into a pocket passer and he isnt one, he was contained. he sucked.
that is all 9/26/2006 2:21:54 AM |
9one9 All American 21497 Posts user info edit post |
Word. 9/26/2006 2:30:35 AM |
rallydurham Suspended 11317 Posts user info edit post |
I'm not saying that Vick had a good game, because he didn't.
But his receivers couldnt stay on their feet on that turf. He couldn't make his normal sharp cuts either so that really limited his ability to run. If you don't think there were some extenuating circumstances with how well the Saints played b/c of all the emotion involved then you're crazy.
The Saints had a sweet gameplan for him. I don't know how they managed to do it, but they had linebackers spying on every play and they stilll played great coverage downfield. If the receivers can't beat man coverage EVER then thats just terrible on their part.
When Algae Crumpler drops 2 TD passes at the beginning of the game and the Saints are getting punt blocks for TD's and blocking 25 yard FG's there isnt a lot he can do.
Warrick Dunn also played like shit last night he could never find his footing on that crappy turf.
Vick threw about 5-6 catchable deep balls and those guys absolutely could not make those catches.
Carson Palmer is clearly the 2nd best QB in the league, but look at the catches Chris Henry and Housh made for him last week. You can be the best QB in the world, but if guys cant make plays around you then it will only get you so far.
Just so we're clear, Tom Brady was horrible on Sunday night. I don't see the thread that says he'll never be a good QB. While we're at it, Peyton didnt even complete 50% of his passes last week... last I checked he's a pretty good QB. Since you mention it, Eli Manning played like shit last week but we all know he's a good QB. Drew Brees almost singlehandedly lost to the GB Packers last week by having three (shoulda been four) turnovers in the first quarter.
Vick still managed not to turn the ball over. He had an off game, but if you think he's the reason they lost last night you're in complete denial of what happened out there.
And you're gonna give him three drops? Well I guess you didn't see the game because there were three drops in the first quarter alone along with 2 slips. I'm not talking about guys who lost their footing and didnt make their breaks sharp enough, I'm talking about guys crashing and burning on the turf. Reggie bush coudlnt even stay on his feet on that garbage. That turf is going to prematurely end his career if it doesnt shape up soon.
[Edited on September 26, 2006 at 9:57 AM. Reason : a] 9/26/2006 9:50:27 AM |
Stein All American 19842 Posts user info edit post |
Here's what I'm saying:
Brett Favre > Michael Vick
3 TDs vs. 3 points 9/26/2006 11:01:02 AM |
jbrick83 All American 23447 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "ust so we're clear, Tom Brady was horrible on Sunday night. I don't see the thread that says he'll never be a good QB. While we're at it, Peyton didnt even complete 50% of his passes last week... last I checked he's a pretty good QB. Since you mention it, Eli Manning played like shit last week but we all know he's a good QB. Drew Brees almost singlehandedly lost to the GB Packers last week by having three (shoulda been four) turnovers in the first quarter. " |
But Vick has more shitty games than they do (maybe not Eli).9/26/2006 11:04:19 AM |
rallydurham Suspended 11317 Posts user info edit post |
^^ lol, no one is gonna back you on that this year....
[Edited on September 26, 2006 at 11:05 AM. Reason : a] 9/26/2006 11:05:24 AM |
Stein All American 19842 Posts user info edit post |
Here's the thing. Watching the Falcons play last night is exactly what it was like watching the Packers play last year. The offensive line was getting mauled, the running game was non-existent, and the receivers were dropping passes. Favre doesn't have the physical tools that Vick has though, so instead of being able to rush for 7 every so often, he instead forces a pass into coverage. All things considered though, I was impressed by Vick not turning the ball over last night.
p.s. DON'T CRUSH MY FAVRE FOR PRO BOWL DREAMS
[Edited on September 26, 2006 at 11:16 AM. Reason : .] 9/26/2006 11:15:37 AM |
rallydurham Suspended 11317 Posts user info edit post |
if you put Favre on a team that had some options he'd definitely win more games but i think he's too stubborn to make the "Elway adjustment"
I think he'd go down in flames like Marino did.
We'll never know for sure as long as he's stuck in Green Bay... 9/26/2006 11:20:36 AM |
goalielax All American 11252 Posts user info edit post |
The fucking turf - that's your excuse? Yeah, really stopped Vick a lot - after all he only averaged 9.5 yds per rush. And I guess the Saints played on different turf and that's how they got 145 yds rushing.
[Edited on September 26, 2006 at 1:35 PM. Reason : can we please get a tap-dancing smiley?] 9/26/2006 1:35:12 PM |
tmmercer All American 2290 Posts user info edit post |
haha yeah vick cocksuckers always seem to think of every excuse in the book and sometimes they just make up their own 9/26/2006 1:42:21 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
so rally is Vick a great passer? 9/26/2006 1:45:34 PM |
andyWolfVill All American 602 Posts user info edit post |
Please...he either underthrows or overthrows. I remember watching the QB challenge (I think last year) where they had to throw through a tire. Peyton and Drew Brees made him look silly. He was like 3-10. The Falcons are paying Schaub starters money for a reason. They are planning to move Vick to wideout...not sure if you knew that. It's breaking news. They got smart. 9/26/2006 3:15:54 PM |
jdman the Dr is in 3848 Posts user info edit post |
i just bttted the thread because, like years past, Vick was a golden god for the first few games of a season, then DCs must get enough tape of whatever new wrinkle ATL put into the offense, and they figured out how to pin him down..
the story last season was that TB stopped him by committing safeties to rush the perimeter and keep him in the pocket. CAR always put a linebacker or two as a spy, and they would just get mashed by a trap or a pulling guard, but then we switched up to doing what TB did, and pwnt Vick the second time we played them.
Whatever NO did to shutdown the Michael Vick Experience last night, you can believe every other team will do as well. That's all I'm saying - he's a stunt.
And all that really has to be done is to find a way to force him to pass. 9/26/2006 4:29:35 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
the Panthers happened to be the first team to see Atlanta's modified option...Tampa was also fooled...New Orleans watched film and figured it out...as will other teams 9/26/2006 4:52:57 PM |
drunknloaded Suspended 147487 Posts user info edit post |
do yall think vick was better when he was getting like 150 yards a game rushing or when he gets sacked in the pocket or throws an incomplete pass all the time? 9/26/2006 4:54:38 PM |
arog20012001 All American 10023 Posts user info edit post |
basically what it comes down to is if Vick is effective running the ball, the Falcons have a great chance at winning.
If Vick can't run, they're doomed, everytime, because his passing is attrocious and no one can argue otherwise. 9/26/2006 6:30:35 PM |
JT3bucky All American 23258 Posts user info edit post |
he has the worst passing % his years in the NFL
hes a RB that passes on occasion 9/26/2006 6:42:52 PM |
drunknloaded Suspended 147487 Posts user info edit post |
i think atlantas head coach sucks donkey balls
shit i'd let vick run for like 300 yards a game 9/26/2006 6:44:16 PM |
arog20012001 All American 10023 Posts user info edit post |
^you'd make a GREAT nfl coach. you should try to break into the league. 9/26/2006 6:45:46 PM |
MacTuckIzzle Suspended 1614 Posts user info edit post |
Not really gonna make any excuses, Vick just had a down game. Although the special teams didn't help his cause any at all, he still had a bad game. 9/26/2006 6:53:27 PM |
rallydurham Suspended 11317 Posts user info edit post |
you guys honestly know nothing about the NFL.
Do you think each QB plays 16 good games a season?
He wasn't good last night but he definitely wasn't the reason they lost.
His receivers, oline, and RB's all sucked. The Atlanta offensive coordinator didnt do anything to take advantage of the way the Saints committed their LB's to stop Vick from running. Vick didn't play well but he wasn't all that bad either.
The Atlanta defense was miserable last night.
The Atlanta special teams was beyond miserable.
That was a special moment for the Saints, hooray. Vick is still inarguably one of the top QB's in the game. 9/26/2006 7:07:27 PM |
juicebybrad All American 795 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "When Algae Crumpler drops 2 TD passes at the beginning of the game and the Saints are getting punt blocks for TD's and blocking 25 yard FG's there isnt a lot he can do." |
A "Golden God" would be able to overcome these things.
/thread9/26/2006 7:10:38 PM |
arog20012001 All American 10023 Posts user info edit post |
^^You've been brainwashed.
Vick is a dynamic runner, quick as lightning...but his passing is and always will be his downfall.
His completion percentage has always been bad, and he hasn't shown that he'll improve that. QB's are meant to complete passes in order to score. He can't run down the field every other play. It won't work.
I'll give you that Vick is an original, one of a kind QB, but that's not neccesarily a good thing. 9/26/2006 7:13:53 PM |
Sleik All American 11177 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "you guys honestly know nothing about the NFL.
Do you think each QB plays 16 good games a season?
He wasn't good last night but he definitely wasn't the reason they lost.
His receivers, oline, and RB's all sucked. The Atlanta offensive coordinator didnt do anything to take advantage of the way the Saints committed their LB's to stop Vick from running. Vick didn't play well but he wasn't all that bad either.
The Atlanta defense was miserable last night.
The Atlanta special teams was beyond miserable.
That was a special moment for the Saints, hooray. Vick is still inarguably one of the top QB's in the game." |
Seriously, man - what the fuck? Another one of these?
Deny it all you want, but if that score had been 23-3 Atlanta it would have been VICK THIS VICK THAT VICK THIS VICK THAT VICK THIS VICK THAT VICK THIS VICK THAT VICK THIS VICK THAT VICK THIS VICK THAT VICK THIS VICK THAT VICK THIS VICK THAT VICK THIS VICK THAT VICK THIS VICK THAT VICK THIS VICK THAT VICK THIS VICK THAT. No mention of the defense holding the Saints to justa field goal, no mention of any offensive players stepping it up, NOTHING. This thread would have been bumped, BY YOU, to stroke your own e-Cock in one hand and Michael Dwayne Vick's in the other. The resulting spooge in your eyes would have blinded you from seeing how little sense you make right about now.9/26/2006 10:48:49 PM |
statefan24 All American 9157 Posts user info edit post |
^^^hit it on the head 9/26/2006 10:54:07 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
say what you want about Vick...the guy just flat out wins games
except when he leads the offense to 3 points in 60 minutes 9/27/2006 9:38:57 AM |