w/ as bad as the raiders offense was, no coach would have let their qb throw very many times last night

all schott was trying to do was simply get the game over with because he knew that the raiders were never going to score (they might not score all year, Brooks was atrocious)

this was a great first game for rivers; he proved he could throw the ball; the chargers goal last night was to be 1-0 leaving oakland; when they got up early there was absolutely no need to put any undue preesure on rivers by throwing the ball in his first start; esp. when you have #21 in the backfield

9/12/2006 10:02:38 AM

No I meant to put up Eli Manning. I was putting up the top two young QB's in the game.

I wasn't saying Eli is the top QB in the game.

They were drafted together and I was just saying that Phili is not on Eli Manning's level.

I didnt say Eli was an elite QB...

9/12/2006 10:04:12 AM

n/m not being an asshole.

[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 10:04 AM. Reason : .]

9/12/2006 10:04:12 AM

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"Now Philip goes out and leads an efficient offense that is littered with talent (McCardell, Gates, and Tomlinson) and does a lot less than Vick did last week and yet still everyone thinks he played a very good game."

if that were vicks first career nfl start i would say that vick had a very good game. its all about perspective man

9/12/2006 10:05:09 AM

Well Vick took the Falcons to the NFC CHAMPIONSHIP his first season.


So put that in perspective.


Vick is a golden god.


And Philip looks pretty damn good.


Combined they didn't even put up 300 yards passing, but they still both played good games.

So next week when Vick dominates the NFL again but puts up only 160 passing yards get off his knutesac...

[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 10:09 AM. Reason : a]

9/12/2006 10:08:26 AM

Quote :

"Well Vick took the Falcons to the NFC CHAMPIONSHIP his first season. "

actually they lost to the eagles in the divisional playoffs 20-6 and had a 9-6-1 record in vicks first year. well see if phil can do better.

9/12/2006 10:15:00 AM

dammit my bad.

his first season they waltzed into Lambeau Field and did the unthinkable by beating Favre on his own turf. That was the end of the Packers run.

He was hurt the next year.

THen the next year he carried them to the NFC Championship.

All of this with a horrible team.


Philip is on a team that is pretty loaded. I think they are Super Bowl contenders for sure. But he's not going to be nearly as good as Vick was his first year...

9/12/2006 10:18:50 AM

damn

what if the chargers face the panthers in the superbowl

drama

9/12/2006 10:22:24 AM

Phillip made the most of the plays they put in his hands. He might not have had a great game, but nobody can say he had a bad game. Thats just fucking stupid. He had a touchdown pass, he seemed to hit every receiver in stride, and he didnt look like a deer in headlights in his FIRST START AS A PRO.


I'm not bashing Vick, but to compare the two at this point for any reason is absurd. Vick can play, Rivers played well last night, stupid thread.

9/12/2006 10:36:30 AM

The giants did the same thing to Eli his first few games--all he did was hand off the ball, hand off the ball, try a small pass, hand off the ball. Why put them in a position to mess up and rattle their confidence. Plus, when something's working, such as the running game last night, why mess with it?

The point is, the Chargers got everything they wanted: the win, LT got his stats, and P Riv had a solid first NFL regular season game. You can't ask for better than that.

9/12/2006 10:43:58 AM

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"damn what if the chargers face the panthers in the superbowl"

Worry about getting 1 in the win column first, baby steps

9/12/2006 10:45:30 AM

not worried

look up definition of

what if

and how it differs from

when

9/12/2006 10:46:44 AM

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"stupid thread."

The only stupid thing about the thread is the people who still dont get the point.


Rivers played well last night.

Vick played awesome on Sunday.

People will make excuses for Rivers lack of stats, but bash Vick for his...

9/12/2006 10:48:27 AM

Quote :

"not worried look up definition of what if"

I just tried, but it appears the dictionary does not define phrases

9/12/2006 10:49:06 AM

^^ hah

9/12/2006 10:49:08 AM

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"People will make excuses for Rivers lack of stats, but bash Vick for his..."

why is this comparison being made after one game? why are you even remotely comparing the two?

9/12/2006 10:52:05 AM

Vick Abraham dominated the Panthers on Sunday.

9/12/2006 10:54:30 AM

because Rivers threw for 110 yards but looked good.


Two days ago Vick looked magnificent and still everyone was trying to act like 140 yards passing and 50 yards rushing wasn't a good game.


Actually, for the past three years people have bashed Vick for his lack of stats, despite the fact that he looks good nearly every week.


I just think its funny now that the Golden Boy himself only throws for 110 yards, its acceptable to put up less than stellar statistics as long as your team gets the win and controls the game.

It shouldnt take one statistically misleading game from Rivers to change everyone's entire perspective on what a "good" performance by a QB is.

Especially when everyone has been SO adamant about Vick's lack of passing yards for three straight years.



[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 10:57 AM. Reason : a]

9/12/2006 10:55:05 AM

I love it when Vick throws the ball 20 feet over his receivers' heads.

9/12/2006 10:59:00 AM

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"only throws for 110 yards"

let this shit die for now and bring it back when he plays in a game where hes allowed to throw the ball more than a handful of times.

9/12/2006 10:59:06 AM

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" People will make excuses for Rivers lack of stats,"

I dont see anyone making excuses

He threw the ball 11 times

Ran three times

And never got sacked

Which means they called 14 pass plays at the absolute most

As opposed to 42 runs

How hard is this

9/12/2006 11:00:04 AM

i thought he looked great

9/12/2006 11:02:57 AM

Yeah we all know Vick isn't an accurate passer.

That is a given.

But neither is McNabb. No one argues McNabb isn't a good QB...


Vick doesnt turn the ball over much. Guys like Favre, Plummer, Bledsoe kill their teams week after week because they cant stop turning it over. Who cares if you throw for 280 if you have four turnovers?

Vick doesn't throw the ball a whole lot. This limits his passing yards. This is mainly because they utilize a zone blocking scheme and they like to control the ground game. Vick is one of the best QB's in the game on 3rd and short because he can run or pass for the first down. His weakness is 3rd and long because he is not accurate downfield... Why pass on 1st and 10 and risk a potential 3rd and long, when you are so efficient at picking up 3rd and 4's?

Vick picks up rushing yards. In general, 50 rushing yards is worth more than 50 passing yards. Yards that go towards a first down are obviously worth more than the yards that occur after you've passed the chains. In general, a much higher % of rushing yards work toward a first down, while a significant percentage of passing yards are strictly field position (like punt return yardage).

Vick wears the opposing defenses down. This is why he has such a stellar record with the game on the line. Nearly every week he engineers a scoring drive in the 4th quarter to win or bring his team back into the game.


I could go on all day. I've seen nearly every game the guy has played the past four seasons. He's one of the top QB's in the game without a doubt.

You can't just look at his passing yards out of context and pretend he's not.

Quote :

" I dont see anyone making excuses He threw the ball 11 times Ran three times And never got sacked Which means they called 14 pass plays at the absolute most As opposed to 42 runs How hard is this"

The Falcons do the EXACT SAME THING EVERY WEEK. My god, how hard is this???

When the Chargers run an efficient offense its "Philip looked good". But when the Falcons do its "Vick cant pass, he should play RB!!!"



[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 11:08 AM. Reason : a]

9/12/2006 11:07:18 AM

I don't get all of the controversey. Vick is black and the antithesis of all the legendary QB's. He just gets too much positive media attention for a black athelete.

T.O.?, Moss?, KRob? Those guys are always in the Media because of their records with authority or (in krob's case) their off-the-field problems. I can sympathize with Krob because off the field is off the field, the man is a pro bowler and did a bunch of good things for Minnesota. The fact that he has a tendacy to mess around and party has no bearing at all on his football record.

But Vick? He is hailed by nearly everyone. One could certainly argue that his status as a lauded black man in the news rather than a scapegoat contributes to his heavy criticism. If I were writing a paper on this I would go on, but y'all get my point: There is unrest as to how high sports announcers present Vick. and I am very skeptical to the amount of people who may just be waiting for him to mess up, so that everyone will say "Oh, he's black, what do you expect".

9/12/2006 11:27:50 AM

i think mcnabb has the lowest interception per pass attempt percentage in the nfl though, or at least he did up until his bad year last year due to injury.

and nobody is calling rivers a god for his performance last night either. marty only let him throw the ball 11 times, if that keeps up then rivers will never put up the kind of numbers i expect from him. i think it was an obvious effort to gradually help rivers get more and more comfortable running the offense in a real game.

9/12/2006 11:29:14 AM

Shut The Fuck Up Rally.

Your obsessive posts about Vick are annoying as hell.

VICK Sucks. He will fail. Hi Rushes were nice, but his low passing total is skewed becasue Jenkins took a 5 yard dump pass and took it 50 yards to the house. It was bad defense by the Panthers, not a great showing by Vick.

Understand that and we can go from there.

9/12/2006 11:33:36 AM

Rivers will get a ring before vick

[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 11:43 AM. Reason : and eli, and peyton ]

9/12/2006 11:42:49 AM

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"No one argues McNabb isn't a good QB..."

when i'm not at school i live about 30 minutes north of philly, and i say this every chance i get.

9/12/2006 12:01:17 PM

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"No I meant to put up Eli Manning. I was putting up the top two young QB's in the game. I wasn't saying Eli is the top QB in the game. They were drafted together and I was just saying that Phili is not on Eli Manning's level."

speaking of stupid comparisons...

How about you compare Eli to Phil after Phil's been playing for 2 yrs Rivers will be a superior QB when he gets to that point. (he's always been better than him)

9/12/2006 1:24:43 PM

Quote :

"who has more super bowl rings oh wait they're tied"

HEY! that's funny.. thats the same # of rings that Delhomme has too

9/12/2006 1:51:05 PM

hey guys, i watch football on tv too....can i also be an expert?

9/12/2006 1:53:04 PM

Philip had pinpoint accuracy but his arm sure did look weak last night.

I need to see how he fares against a better defense before I can put him on Eli's level.

I think he's gonna be solid, but he certainly doesn't have more potential than Eli.

9/12/2006 5:24:21 PM

perhaps his arm looked weak because he hasn't played in a real game in 2yrs and was nervous? Eli is far from anything "special"

9/12/2006 5:32:48 PM

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"Philip had pinpoint accuracy but his arm sure did look weak last night. I need to see how he fares against a better defense before I can put him on Eli's level. I think he's gonna be solid, but he certainly doesn't have more potential than Eli."

his arm looked weak because he had pinpoint accuracy

yea that makes no sense at all, how do u expect to get the ball there on time with that accuracy if u arm isnt exactly on par, that made no sense i must admit, and Eli's interception came because his weak arm underthrew that deep ball that got picked, he UNDERTHREW it, thats a weak moment maybe not a weak arm...but Rivers no way has a weak arm

Accuracy>arm strength

9/12/2006 5:35:53 PM

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"Guys like Favre, Plummer, Bledsoe kill their teams week after week because they cant stop turning it over. Who cares if you throw for 280 if you have four turnovers?"

Classic rally post. I like it. I fucking hate Bledsoe being Dallas QB sometimes.

Like Sunday, he threw for like 280 yards but had 3 picks and Dallas lost.

9/12/2006 5:40:39 PM

People talk about Rivers having a weak arm like he struggles to get the ball over the line of scrimmage. He doesn't have a cannon like Favre or Vick, but he has plenty of arm strength for 95% of NFL passes.

That MAY hurt him at certain points in his future, 60 yard hail mary plays do have their place.

However, I would rather have a QB that makes pinpoint 20 yard passes consistantly than a QB with a cannon that overthrows his recievers half the time.

And if a 60 yard hail mary is needed, just give it to LT and let him hurl it.


[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 5:49 PM. Reason : clarification]

9/12/2006 5:46:54 PM

Cannon arm no accuracy=marcus stone

Accurate arm but maybe a little weaker=Philip Rivers


see what I did there?

9/12/2006 5:50:56 PM

^nicely done.

9/12/2006 6:01:18 PM

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"Accuracy>arm strength"

Can you honestly expect a Vick fan to understand this concept?

9/12/2006 6:38:48 PM

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"phil is a qb vick plays qb"

best thing ernie ever posted

9/12/2006 6:41:33 PM

michael vick is running out of years. once he gets older hell lost a ton of mobility and he will have to rely more on accuracy, and as we all know he is far from being an accurate passer. unless he suddenly becomes one he wont be a force for any extended period of time as he gets older.

9/12/2006 6:48:32 PM

You can go through a cannon of crappy things to say about nearly every qb.

However, people only do it with Vick because he is black (and very good).

[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 10:25 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2006 10:24:36 PM

and he has herpes and a thug kid brother

9/12/2006 10:25:59 PM

And he wins games.

9/12/2006 10:28:41 PM

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"However, people only do it with Vick because he is black"

gimme a break that's the dumbest thing i've heard all day

9/12/2006 10:38:20 PM

man if only there were a passer stat that somehow factored in attempts, interceptions, touchdowns, and total yards

i guess stats really do suck and vick is the black jesus

9/12/2006 10:41:01 PM

lol i love how people talk about rivers' "side-arm" throws and question his ability to get it over the line too. he's 6'5", even side-arming the ball it probably comes out at least as high as when brees throws it, and gates has already stated that he can see the ball leave phil's hands now and didn't at times w/brees.

9/12/2006 10:56:35 PM

Rivers looked good but theres no denying his arm looked weak.

Not like Chad Pennington '05 weak or Alex Smith weak, but weak nonetheless

But there's going to be throws he's going to need to make where he can't just lob it downfield.

It was a solid start, but he didnt demonstrate he could make all the throws just yet.

At some point the Chargers won't be able to hide Rivers like they did this week, so we'll see how he fares...

[Edited on September 13, 2006 at 12:59 AM. Reason : a]

9/13/2006 12:59:05 AM

he chucked that one to Parker when he got popped by Sapp

9/13/2006 1:00:38 AM

That was a lob pass.

Im talking about arm strength. There was no zip on his passes.

The comeback throw to McCardell was perfectly placed, the touch pass to LDT was well thrown, the TD to Gates was well thrown....

THe other pass to Gates had a nice result but against a real team thats a pretty risky pass to lob it in the middle of the field like that...

We'll have to wait and see.

I expect good things, but they really treated him with kid gloves so its hard to know what they've got right now...

9/13/2006 1:05:27 AM