never in my life have I heard a coach that ducks questions, and brings up assanine excuses like chuck

just watch tressel, or coker, or some of the other major program coaches, they give canned speaches that basically say we didn't get it done, the other team played great, every kid is upset in that locker room, we as coaches did not do our job, and we are going to do everything in our power to get it done next week.

its like bull durham where crash starts his lesson on the media, just thank the lord, your teamates, etc.

there is a way to handle the media, and chuck is not well versed in it, is he more interesting for the writers, probably, is his conduct good for the university....definately not

9/12/2006 11:35:02 AM

and if you are going to blame him

have your facts straight and don't blame him for not taking the blame when he clearly said he was to blame.

^I can't really blame chuck for that. There has always been and advesarial role between him and the media especially Chip alexander.

[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 11:36 AM. Reason : .]

9/12/2006 11:35:21 AM

No one is blaming players. Everyone and their brother and little sister is blaming Amato.

9/12/2006 11:35:24 AM

chuck did admit he didn't do his job. if you listened to the post-game interview, he blamed himself entirely for the loss. he took personal responsibility for the excessive celebration penalty, among other things. that's the one thing he did right about all this.

9/12/2006 11:35:39 AM

so when does the blame get something done?

and why are we paying someone who admits to NOT DOING THEIR JOB


if i dont do my job I GET FIRED

if i wasnt the boss of course

[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 11:37 AM. Reason : .]

9/12/2006 11:36:33 AM

Quote :

"WHY DO YOU ACCEPT THIS. florida is better because we run all of our coaches out of town. probably because theyre sick of seeing their boss not do shit, act like a guido, and ride around in a sports car full of prostitutes. "

Florida has won national titles, NC State hasn't

Also, Dixon is a better WR coach than Holliday.

^What do you want done?

Do you want him fired? I don't. What do you want accomplished with the blame.

[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 11:37 AM. Reason : .]

9/12/2006 11:37:16 AM

but then somehow HAD to bring up partial qualifiers. hes always talking about "the facilities" and all that shit. i dont care what the fuck we practice on as long as we can beat akron.

9/12/2006 11:37:47 AM

yes i want him fired




[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 11:38 AM. Reason : .]

9/12/2006 11:37:48 AM

Quote :

"but then somehow HAD to bring up partial qualifiers. hes always talking about "the facilities" and all that shit. i dont care what the fuck we practice on as long as we can beat akron."

do you not pay attention to anything? This has already been addressed.

^and that would make you in the minority. Then again, you've wanted him fired for 3 years now.

[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 11:40 AM. Reason : .]

9/12/2006 11:38:19 AM

i'm staying out of this discussion

because if I voice my opinion about Chuck, people will consider me as a hypocrite for defending Herb so much

9/12/2006 11:40:44 AM

whatever man, i dont know why you cant take chucks dick outta yer mouth because he is the one who fucking blows. in the three years ive been here havent seen a bit of progress. he rode the coattails of a great quarterback and now hes got nothing to show for it.

9/12/2006 11:40:51 AM

smacker......

i was not saying he did not take blame, i was simply giving a blueprint for how to answer those fucking questions

without, being short with the person asking the question, blaming some NCAA/conference rule, and generally trying to argue with the media

chuck could use about 10 years of classes on media relations, he simply sucks at it, fact is the way chuck deals with the media negatively effects our university's public image

9/12/2006 11:42:04 AM

Quote :

"i'm staying out of this discussion because if I voice my opinion about Chuck, people will consider me as a hypocrite for defending Herb so much"

whatever

i defended herb left and right


i am not a fan of amato

9/12/2006 11:44:15 AM

Quote :

"whatever man, i dont know why you cant take chucks dick outta yer mouth because he is the one who fucking blows. in the three years ive been here havent seen a bit of progress. he rode the coattails of a great quarterback and now hes got nothing to show for it."

three years. you are basing your argument on three years. There is no point in discussin anything with you.

[quoet]whatever

i defended herb left and right


i am not a fan of amato[/quote]

you were never a fan of chuck. Admit it.

[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 11:44 AM. Reason : .]

9/12/2006 11:44:34 AM

well when your first 3 years are better than your last 3 years

what does that say

do you need a graph to show you?

[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 11:45 AM. Reason : not really, he used to hit on my mom in college]

9/12/2006 11:45:16 AM

Quote :

"well when your first 3 years are better than your last 3 years what does that say do you need a graph to show you? "

omg, fire andy reid, he had a bad year last year.

[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 11:51 AM. Reason : .]

9/12/2006 11:49:02 AM

Quote :

"any reid"

who's that?

9/12/2006 11:50:02 AM

way to shift the focus from my comment there, amato

9/12/2006 11:56:19 AM

I'm with Mr. Grace, except I've wanted him fired for 4 years. I was an Amato fan...at first. I also liked Herb.

9/12/2006 11:58:55 AM

Jason

chuck is a fucking douche of a coach.

I don't know why you're even bothering.

9/12/2006 12:04:23 PM

^^so you wanted him fired during the Gator Bowl year?

9/12/2006 12:11:47 PM

i am so sick of Chuck's attitude. he thinks everything is perfectly fine with our football program and constantly tries to defend his shitty coaching and ridiculous losses to lower tier programs.

why cant he just man up and admit that we just are no where near where we need to be as an ACC football team.

i hate that asshole.

fire his mediocre ass

9/12/2006 12:22:53 PM

Quote :

". We aren't FSU or miami yet."

AND HAVE WE DONE ANYTHING TO SHOW WE ARE ON THE WAY TO DOING SO?

Go compare where FSU and Miami were at this point in Bowden/Schnellenberger's careers. Look at where they came from. Both were mediocre football schools like we have been for most of our history, occasionally making something like the Peach Bowl. By their 7th seasons, both had played for national titles, with Miami winning won and FSU losing the Orange Bowl twice.

Ok, the comparison with Florida schools is unfair. How about this? In Frank Beamer's 8th year, VT won the Big East. Don Nehlen went undefeated and played Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl in his 8th year. George Welsh won the ACC in his 7th year and made the Sugar Bowl in his 8th. Before that, UVa was an absolute wreck, never having even smelled a bowl. All three showed steady improvement up until those seasons. Have we done anything to suggest we are on the way to playing in big bowls like that?

9/12/2006 12:30:48 PM

^ive got this one

no

9/12/2006 12:36:39 PM

Quote :

"^^so you wanted him fired during the Gator Bowl year?"

Yes. We should never have been in that bowl. UVA would have beat ND too. All anyone with a decent offense had to do was hold on to the ball and not turn it over. If you turned it over, ND's defense would score or put the offense into a position where it didn't have to try hard to score.

I mean how do you have Philip Rivers for 4 years, with a decent line and supporting cast, plus a decent defense, and not finish any better in the conference than the previous head coach did the four years before he was fired.

[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 12:43 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2006 12:41:28 PM

i go back further

i wanted us to hire ty willingham

9/12/2006 12:42:55 PM

Quote :

"Yes"

So if we fired Amato after this year, the next coach should have us in the BCS by year 3?

9/12/2006 12:46:26 PM

Quote :

"Yes. We should never have been in that bowl. UVA would have beat ND too. All anyone with a decent offense had to do was hold on to the ball and not turn it over. If you turned it over, ND's defense would score or put the offense into a position where it didn't have to try hard to score. I mean how do you have Philip Rivers for 4 years, with a decent line and supporting cast, plus a decent defense, and not finish any better in the conference than the previous head coach did the four years before he was fired."

Yup, let's fire the coach the same year he took us to the best bowl this program has ever been to.

9/12/2006 12:50:52 PM

no, thats stupid. but it would be nice to be competing for it and the acc title by, say, year 7.

with the investments put into the program, we need more of a return.

9/12/2006 12:51:27 PM

^ I agree.

but it's still too early to talk about firing.

9/12/2006 12:55:38 PM

Quote :

"Yup, let's fire the coach the same year he took us to the best bowl this program has ever been to."

That we shouldn't have been to in the first place and had to use one of the 2 1-2A school wins to qualify for. I will give kudos to Amato for his marketing ability (begging, crying, singing--whatever he did) to get us in that bowl however.

[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 1:30 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2006 1:29:17 PM

I can't even get worked up about anything this school does anymore.

We hired a basketball coach whose only head coaching experience can be noted as "fucking terrible" (BUT HE LOVES STATE!) and I'm sure if we fired Amato we'd go and try to pickup one of the Coordinators of notnotableinanything U.

9/12/2006 1:33:05 PM

wow just wow

9/12/2006 1:33:12 PM

^^ hey, you better leave Sidney alone! he's gonna take us to an ACC championship within 3 seasons. mark my wordz

9/12/2006 1:36:07 PM

I think it just kills you to have a black coach.

I say this because you are a TKE.

9/12/2006 1:37:20 PM

nah, that's honestly not it

i enjoy the company of black people

i was friends with your flag football QB from around the 2000/2001 time

9/12/2006 1:38:55 PM

some of yall cried because we couldn't keep our mediocre ass basketball coach


but now you're at the front of the line yelling for a mediocre football coach to be fired... esp when he went to school here, and has caused tremendous amounts of improvements to the program

9/12/2006 1:38:55 PM

[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 1:41 PM. Reason : ]

9/12/2006 1:41:24 PM

Quote :

"i am so sick of Chuck's attitude. he thinks everything is perfectly fine with our football program"

To be fair to him, he NEEDS to do that. If I'm a kid on the team the last thing I want to hear my head coach say is 'we suck and my players and myself haven't gotten it done.' The second you lose the players trust it's the end of the line. I think that is what ultimately made Herb leave personally. When all the fans and the media start questioning EVERYTHING you do it's hard to keep 18-21 year olds believing in the coach and the program...

** That said, I've been in Chuck's corner but things need to change and fast. I can stomach losing games but I can't stomach losing them due to stupidity and easily correctable things. Countless times the past 3 years we've lost points and games due to STUPID penalties, bad decisions, and ridiculous playcalling. Something needs to change and it needs to change fast...

Quote :

"esp when he went to school here, and has caused tremendous amounts of improvements to the program"

People want to keep comparing this for some reason but the program RESULTS under Herb were a much greater improvement then the program results under Amato. I mean that is a fact, whether or not you thought Herb could bring us to the next level (the championship level) or not.

It's not like O'Cain was going 2-9 every year and finishing 8th or 9th in the ACC like the bball program was...

[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 1:49 PM. Reason : x]

9/12/2006 1:47:38 PM

^^ somebody has a lot of time on their hands, but that shit was funny.

9/12/2006 1:49:17 PM

or maybe they got paid.

9/12/2006 1:50:18 PM

Chuck is caught between a Stone and a hard place


hardy har har

9/12/2006 2:00:00 PM

Quote :

"Yup, let's fire the coach the same year he took us to the best bowl this program has ever been to."

youre an idiot


mike fuckin ocain took us to 2 gator bowls

and a second place finish in the acc

9/12/2006 2:44:42 PM

no he didn't. we went to the gator bowl in '47, '92, and '03

no idea who the coach was in '47, but it was not o'cain.
dick sheridan was the coach in '92.

9/12/2006 3:03:17 PM

^^

Please tell me you're joking..


^ 1947 was Beattie Feathers

9/12/2006 3:04:47 PM

i was wrong- it happens, even to me

but we did beat a #1 team with him

9/12/2006 3:42:28 PM

yeah, we need to give amato a lifetime contract so we can go to the car care bowl every year until the bowl goes bankrupt. gotta take care of the alumni

if you think we should give him carte blanche simply b/c he "built the facilities" and won a gator bowl, you have incredibly low expectations, much like the people who were cool w/ herb losing in the 2nd round every year.

[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 3:48 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2006 3:46:55 PM

^^ not under O'Cain we didn't. FSU was #2 when we beat them in 1998.

[Edited on September 12, 2006 at 3:47 PM. Reason : ^]

9/12/2006 3:47:01 PM

Quote :

"n 1998, he opened the season with a win at Texas, then won over #1 Florida State. It was one of just two losses in ACC play for the Seminoles in the team's first nine years in the ACC. He coached the Wolfpack to their third bowl trip in his tenure, against Miami (FL) in the Micron PC bowl. One of the stars on that team was Tory Holt, a first-round draft pick who has gone on to fame with the Rams."

http://clemsontigers.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/ocain_mike00.html

9/12/2006 3:49:32 PM

^ I don't know if I trust that source. Everything I've ever read and remember (I was at the game) had FSU at #2. Maybe they were #1 in one poll, but definitely not a consensus #1.

9/12/2006 3:54:07 PM