^^ oh, i see, thats sarcasm too.

9/28/2006 5:36:45 PM

nail in coffin

Quote :

"About six in 10 Iraqis say they approve of attacks on U.S.-led forces, and slightly more than that want their government to ask U.S. troops to leave within a year, according to a poll in that country."

the war for hearts and minds is over. either we nuke the place, or leave.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/27/AR2006092701435.html

9/28/2006 5:45:38 PM

which is up from about 20% when the occupation was started

9/28/2006 5:46:58 PM

clearly this is not an occupation

its a liberation

9/28/2006 5:54:56 PM

^^^wow...Washington Post...what a credible non-biased source

9/29/2006 10:29:55 AM

theres no such thing as a non-biased source.

9/29/2006 10:32:25 AM

there used to be

back when reporters reported facts and didnt attempt to put their own insights and agendas into the stories

9/29/2006 10:33:29 AM

i disagree.

people just make a bigger deal out of it now.

[Edited on September 29, 2006 at 10:35 AM. Reason : df]

9/29/2006 10:34:44 AM

god damned washington post making up poll numbers

GRRRRR

9/29/2006 10:40:10 AM

GRRRR...god damned poll numbers are so accurate and meaningful!

9/29/2006 10:51:10 AM

ONLY WHEN THEY SUPPORT YOUR SIDE AMIRITE

9/29/2006 11:03:28 AM

no...polls are opinions regardless...they're fun to skew for NCSU mascots and what not but they're just polls...they ask a number of people their opinions...often times "average" people without insight into the situation like you and me

9/29/2006 11:05:14 AM

Quote :

"they ask a number of people their opinions...often times "average" people without insight into the situation like you and me "

thats the whole point of these polls.....to see what the general public, or "average" person thinks. these are the people who vote, so by understanding what they think, politicians can gauge how effectively they are getting their message out.

while it may be just their opinion, when it comes to getting votes, their opinions (whether they are correct or not) are valid.

[Edited on September 29, 2006 at 11:10 AM. Reason : s]

9/29/2006 11:10:20 AM

^^ Shows no fundamental grasp of statistics. Please don't comment on poll any more ever again.

9/29/2006 11:15:09 AM

The Washington Post is not politically biased. In fact, name a few more-reliable sources, please.

And yes, political campaigns pay millions of dollars each year for polls that are completely worthless . Scientific polls have been proven to be reliable. At very least more reliable than some turd trolling the internets.

9/29/2006 11:18:19 AM

someone just needs to start posting the "YOU ARE SMRT" flash everytime treetwista says something stupid thats really either a)him trolling or b) him demonstrating his loose grasp of a subject.

9/29/2006 11:20:26 AM

Quote :

"I wasn't trying to say the situation wasn't bad, I'm trying to say he overestimated it based on his own words."

It's more likely he underestimated it. I doubt they keep track by the hour. The 800-900 per week is probably the sound figure.

9/29/2006 11:20:27 AM

^^^^^yes its what the general public supposedly thinks, if they can get a good sample group

but the general public doesnt know what the commanders and generals in the warzone know...so its fine to think what the general opinion is amongst the people they ask...but that doesnt at all imply that its correct

^^^^another worthless post by state409c

^^^if the Washington Post is not politically biased, than neither is Fox News

how naive are you

Quote :

"Scientific polls have been proven to be reliable. At very least more reliable than some turd trolling the internets"

you throw around the word "proven" too much when you are talking out of your ass

^^HEY GUYS...LETS EMBED SOME FLASH FILES INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT THE CONTENT...HAHA THAT'LL SHOW HIM

9/29/2006 11:20:32 AM

Quote :

"but the general public doesnt know what the commanders and generals in the warzone know...so its fine to think what the general opinion is amongst the people they ask...but that doesnt at all imply that its correct"

It doesn't imply what's correct? A FUCKING SURVEY THAT ASKS THE SENTIMENTS OF THE PEOPLE, PROBABLY REFLECTS THE SENTIMENTS OF THE PEOPLE.

9/29/2006 11:22:13 AM

and?

the sentiments of the people is not the KNOWLEDGE of the commanders on the ground

damn State409c....you dont even know what the fuck you are arguing most of the time

9/29/2006 11:23:00 AM

Please, explain how the Washington Post is biased.

They're biased towards actual investigative reporting (as opposed to Fox), which leads to stories those in power could do without, but that's not a political bias.

^

This is the point --> ~~~~~~>

This is the top of your head--> /------\


[Edited on September 29, 2006 at 11:25 AM. Reason : .]

9/29/2006 11:24:06 AM

Washington Post and NY Times are the left wing equivalents to Fox News

if you deny that never post here again

9/29/2006 11:25:01 AM

you got any kind of, i dont know, facts to support that claim?

9/29/2006 11:26:41 AM

They're completely different types of news agencies. One is actual news, one is not. The latter favors those currently in charge

9/29/2006 11:27:26 AM

first show me facts that prove that fox news is biased

oh yeah, you cant show me with facts, its just obvious they have a right-wing leaning

just like its obvious wash post and ny times have a left-wing leaning

how naive are you guys? your problems are you think one side is baaaaaaad and one side is gooooooooood when they're both bad

but you only see one side as being bad

youre stuck on your politics, im not

i just value national security so i get labelled as OMG WARMONGER CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN CHURCHGOER!!

when i just think the most important thing the govt can do is protect us from terrorists/external forces

[Edited on September 29, 2006 at 11:29 AM. Reason : .]

9/29/2006 11:27:52 AM

Quote :

"the sentiments of the people is not the KNOWLEDGE of the commanders on the ground"

Really? Why do the commanders have more knowledge? Tell me this? Tell me how a bunch of native English speakers, put in an area by a Commander in Cheif that is an idiot, knows more than all the people that live there, that have been there for centuries, that have stated that they want the Americans to get the fuck out?

Quote :

" when i just think the most important thing the govt can do is protect us from terrorists/external forces"

THEN WHY IN GODS NAME ARE WE IN IRAQ? WHAT IS IT TODAY TREETWISTA? ARE WE THERE TO PROTECT US OR ARE WE THERE TO LIBERATE THE IRAQIS?

[Edited on September 29, 2006 at 11:45 AM. Reason : a]

9/29/2006 11:44:34 AM

^ gg man.

let's see what kind sewage he pull pulls out now.

9/29/2006 11:52:14 AM

Quote :

"ARE WE THERE TO PROTECT US OR ARE WE THERE TO LIBERATE THE IRAQIS? "

maybe those two are the same thing??

9/29/2006 11:59:06 AM

my, how convenient that would be right about now for bush and the repubs.

too bad it's not the case

[Edited on September 29, 2006 at 12:08 PM. Reason : .]

9/29/2006 12:07:29 PM

perhaps....just perhaps....

liberating iraqis actually protects americans??

wow....

does that blow your mind??!?!?!

9/29/2006 12:10:13 PM

Your ignorance is mind-numbing.

The US and US civilians were never under any threat from Iraq or it's civilians. No terrorist attack had ever been carried out by any Iraqis.

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???

9/29/2006 12:12:36 PM

ah yes...

OEP..you stupidity and ignorance never fails to amaze me..."iraq was a bastion of freedom"..."god save sadam"....wtf are you talking about??

and just maaaaybe....maybe....free iraqis...democratic iraqi...help make america safer....

MAN THATS JUST CRAZY!!

9/29/2006 12:14:36 PM

Quote :

"..."iraq was a bastion of freedom"..."god save sadam"...."

tell me where i said that, and i will let you fuck me up the ass you queer.

yeah, keep on ignoring my point, and making up things.

with bush as a role model, what to expect...

9/29/2006 12:16:36 PM

tell me where i said that iraqis ever attacked the US??

i didnt...you cant get past the cookie cutter criticisms put out by howard dean...with your terrorist sympathizing mind...what would i expect??

[Edited on September 29, 2006 at 12:17 PM. Reason : adsf]

9/29/2006 12:17:08 PM

he never claimed you said that, chief

go back. re-read his posts.

develop critical thinking skills

9/29/2006 12:18:38 PM

You said the invasion of Iraq by the US was/is to protect Americans.

How can you protect A from B, when B poses no threat to A?

WHERE IS THE FUCKING LOGIC IN THIS???

But then again, that's the new US policy; attack countries which pose no threat, make up intelligence alleging a threat, and then when all else fails, say it was it liberate their people.

[Edited on September 29, 2006 at 12:22 PM. Reason : AND IGNORE COUNTRIES WHERE GENOCIDE IS TAKING PLACE!!!]

9/29/2006 12:19:36 PM

Quote :

"The US and US civilians were never under any threat from Iraq or it's civilians. No terrorist attack had ever been carried out by any Iraqis."

amazing...then why would he be arguing this point?? because it seems that no one is disagreeing with it??

please develope the ability to think....at all....moron

Quote :

"You said the invasion of Iraq by the US was/is to protect Americans. How can you protect A from B, when B poses no threat to A?"

aha...are you kidding me??...wow

a liberated iraq is better for americans safety than one controlled by sadam...thats all i have said

but i would expect your terrorist propaganda controlled brain to come up with all sorts of straw men to argue against...since you cant really argue anything else

[Edited on September 29, 2006 at 12:25 PM. Reason : asdf]

9/29/2006 12:19:45 PM

Quote :

"a liberated iraq is better for americans israel's safety than one controlled by sadam...thats all i have said"

have the courage to call a spade a spade.

i give up.

9/29/2006 12:24:33 PM

you can't reason with the kid, so don't bother.

ELLIPSES

9/29/2006 12:25:06 PM

ah yes...when you lose its easier to say that the other person is a moron....well done kids...well done

9/29/2006 12:25:44 PM

.... ... ......... .... ..... ..... !!!!

[translation: i have faith in my saviour, bush, even if iraq and afghanistan are still both shitholes, and attacking iraq has significantly increased the number of worldwide terrorist incidents.... .... ... .. ...... doesn't matter, bush's words soothe me]

9/29/2006 12:27:46 PM

Quote :

"ah yes...when you lose its easier to say that the other person is a moron....well done kids...well done "

case in point......you terrorist

9/29/2006 12:28:43 PM

Quote :

"Woodward: Kissinger advises White House on Iraq POSTED: 12:11 p.m. EDT, September 29, 2006 NEW YORK (AP) -- Henry Kissinger has been advising President Bush and Vice President Cheney about Iraq, telling them that "victory is the only meaningful exit strategy," author and journalist Bob Woodward said."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/29/books.woodward.ap/index.html

9/29/2006 12:32:11 PM

i didn't call you a moron*; i called you out on your illogicality about the world being safer, when in fact, the world is less safe now because of the iraq war. that's fact. all the worldwide attacks are compiled on several websites. look them up.

then again, i am wishing for too much.

*but of course, you call me a terrorist for pointing out your contradictions. again, what to expect from someone whose role model makes childlike (childish) statements like "bring'em on" and "you are with us or against us".

9/29/2006 12:35:40 PM

Quote :

"^^^wow...Washington Post...what a credible non-biased source"

they didnt conduct the poll

trolltwista needs to be suspended for trolling.

9/29/2006 12:36:51 PM

trikk is an idiot and is starting to sound like the twista more and more each day.

9/29/2006 12:48:34 PM

you guys make shitty points and when they get refuted, your common responses are "omg thats so dumb, what an idiot"

i cant expect to reason with any of you when you already have false preconceptions that "everything the US govt says is a lie" and "everything the media says is true, except for Fox News, because they are the only biased news source"

9/29/2006 1:08:04 PM

Quote :

"i cant expect to reason with any of you when you already have false preconceptions that "everything the US govt says is a lie" and "everything the media says is true, except for Fox News, because they are the only biased news source""

how about this, after the New York Times piece on the report about Iraq breeding more jihadist supporters, bush released it to the press and guess what? The New York Times piece was correct.

9/29/2006 1:09:58 PM

yes i agree that the NY Times has published some true stories as has Fox News

doesnt change what I said

9/29/2006 1:13:21 PM

Quote :

"yes i agree that the NY Times has published some true stories as has Fox News doesnt change what I said"

It directly refuted what you said.

9/29/2006 1:14:31 PM