^ isnt that crazy, considering how badly tenn beat cal?

11/1/2006 4:43:16 PM

yup, UT beat Cal, has played harder teams in a harder conference... makes no sense

11/1/2006 4:44:36 PM

Cal has the #1 rated SOS in a lot of the computers. I think they are #2 in the overall computer ranking component of the BCS...

11/1/2006 4:46:56 PM

and what I am saying is that those SOS calculators are bullshit. They have killed a lot of teams that built up "good" records beating shitty teams.

Tennessee = great
Minnesota = garbage
Portland State = garbage
Arizona State = garbage
Oregon State = garbage (outside of ONE game where they showed up and USC didnt show up and still almost won)
Oregon = good
Washington = garbage
Washington State = decent
UCLA = so so
Arizona = garbage
Standford = worst garbage in football
Kentucky = garbage


Cal = great
Air Force = decent (gimmic team, hard to prepare for)
Florida = great (lost by 1)
Marshall = garbage
Memphis = garbage
Georgia = great at the time
Alabama = good
South Carolina = good
LSU = great
Arkansas = pretty good
Vandy = decent
Kentucky = garbage

[Edited on November 1, 2006 at 4:55 PM. Reason : d]

11/1/2006 4:48:52 PM

people seem to forget that florida is going to win out here if we have lots of one loss teams, because they lost earlier in the season, face it losing at the end of the year fucks you over, lose in the first few weeks and you have time to work your way back up, how many teams when they lose do you not see drop at least a few spots in the polls? Sucks I know, but its the truth.

11/1/2006 5:05:42 PM

I just wish they wouldnt rank teams until 3-4 weeks into the season... if you have a really good year but just happened to start the season ranked somewhat low you are screwed (Auburn a few years back - they just had too many damn spots to move up)

11/1/2006 5:11:10 PM

^ Agreed

11/1/2006 5:16:22 PM

I'm of the mindset that if you lose a game you can't bitch when you are left out. It did suck for Auburn back then but Michigan jumped plenty of undefeateds from where they started.

You can't just point to a team and say they are garbage because the fact is you don't watch all those teams play. The computer SOS is useful because it doesn't allow for bias.

** and your bias is also showing. You can't put Georgia at 'great' when you have Washington State at simply 'decent.' Wazzou is in the Top 25 in the BCS and UGa is nowhere to be found.. I mean come on for fucks sake you said Vandy is 'decent' too...

[Edited on November 1, 2006 at 5:40 PM. Reason : x]

11/1/2006 5:38:21 PM

Is the formula actually listed as to how the computers determine SOS?

11/1/2006 5:41:00 PM

Go to the website for each and it will tell you how it's calculated.

The only one I remember offhand is http://www.sagarin.com

11/1/2006 5:41:32 PM

well, the Georgia thing is tricky... they were considered great before Tenn beat thier ass, so do they suck or is Tenn just really good? Hurt that they lost to Vandy but Vandy has been decent this year, not top 25 or anything but I would say an average team... they are better than they usually are...

and I watch a lot of those teams play... I have the sports package on Direct TV and it covers a lot of the Pac-10 games. Of course this tells you the admittedly retarded amount of my life that I devout to college football

[Edited on November 1, 2006 at 5:50 PM. Reason : d]

11/1/2006 5:49:17 PM

Haha, I'm the same way. It's sad that I'm looking forward to going out to watch Fresno-Boise tonight...

11/1/2006 7:16:07 PM

GO BS!!!

11/1/2006 7:29:23 PM

Quote :

"how many teams when they lose do you not see drop at least a few spots in the polls? Sucks I know, but its the truth."

uh... the BCS is computers, no bias of dropping 3-4 spots if your percentage is high, then its high... if osu/mich are .948-ish and then wvu is like .761ish... the loser of that big ten championship game could still be higher than that .761..... cause its "computers"

11/1/2006 7:42:04 PM

somebody is really going to have to remind me when georgia was great, because i totally missed that

11/1/2006 7:47:40 PM

um, top 10 in the country, also top scoring defense in the country...so I guess everyone that votes on it thinks they were

[Edited on November 1, 2006 at 7:57 PM. Reason : d]

11/1/2006 7:54:45 PM

That's why preseason polls are garbage.

11/1/2006 7:55:54 PM

^ I agree with that.

11/1/2006 7:57:13 PM

this is why preseason polls should not be done and wait till about week 4 of the season:

Preseason Top 25 Associated Press:

Quote :

"1. Ohio State (35) 0-0 1,558 2. Notre Dame (10) 0-0 1,470 3. Texas (8) 0-0 1,411 4. Auburn (3) 0-0 1,395 5. West Virginia (6) 0-0 1,354 6. USC (3) 0-0 1,345 7. Florida 0-0 1,178 8. LSU 0-0 1,144 9. California 0-0 975 10. Oklahoma 0-0 960 11. Florida State 0-0 949 12. Miami (FL) 0-0 893 13. Louisville 0-0 844 14. Michigan 0-0 824 15. Georgia 0-0 743 16. Iowa 0-0 720 17. Virginia Tech 0-0 614 18. Clemson 0-0 479 19. Penn State 0-0 386 20. Nebraska 0-0 332 21. Oregon 0-0 324 22. TCU 0-0 257 23. Tennessee 0-0 215 24. Arizona State 0-0 182 25. Texas Tech 0-0 181 "

top 25 week 10 associated press

Quote :

" 1. Ohio State (63) 9-0 1,623 2. Michigan 9-0 1,547 3. West Virginia (2) 7-0 1,494 4. Texas 8-1 1,397 5. Louisville 7-0 1,278 6. Auburn 8-1 1,250 7. Florida 7-1 1,243 8. Tennessee 7-1 1,232 9. USC 6-1 1,059 10. California 7-1 1,040 11. Notre Dame 7-1 1,037 12. Arkansas 7-1 935 13. LSU 6-2 842 14. Boise State 8-0 688 15. Rutgers 7-0 644 16. Boston College 7-1 624 17. Wisconsin 8-1 617 18. Oklahoma 6-2 589 19. Clemson 7-2 435 20. Georgia Tech 6-2 402 21. Texas A&M 8-1 353 22. Wake Forest 7-1 246 23. Virginia Tech 6-2 188 24. Oregon 6-2 167 25. Washington State 6-3 40 "

look at all of the differences

11/1/2006 8:02:56 PM

yea, but certain teams like "boise state" and... well maybe just them shouldn't start high cause the don't deserve anything yet, i say yet because maybe they will schedule some muscle in their future

11/1/2006 9:12:10 PM

an osu/michigan rematch in the championship would be bonkers

11/1/2006 9:13:28 PM

no, it would suck... because it would mean that the regular season game would have been meaningless

11/1/2006 9:18:11 PM

^no,,, cause a bowl wouldn't have home field advantage

11/1/2006 9:19:18 PM

and???


if it doesnt matter who wins the regular season one because they meet up in the championship game again anyways then the regular season game wouldnt mean shit

11/1/2006 9:20:15 PM

oh thats what you meant?
i meant that if osu wins in the shoe.. they had an advantage but if michigan won on neutral turf, its "implied" they are better cause osu needed home field to win but michigan didn't

11/1/2006 9:21:41 PM

i dont think the teams are gonna play like they know they would have a rematch too, so it wouldn't be meaningless,,, its the big ten championship as well

11/1/2006 9:22:22 PM

all I am saying is that would be a wasted big game if they both end up getting in anyways

11/1/2006 9:32:34 PM

yea i agree man

11/1/2006 9:34:28 PM

Ive heard so many college football analysts say they want Mich and OSU in the title game and that is just absurd. We have a possibility of having the following teams with the following records and there only being 2 spots for the national championship. BULLSHIT.
OSU - 12-0 / 11-1
Mich - 12-0 / 11-1
WVU - 12-0 / 11-1
Louis - 12-0 / 11-1
Texas - 12-1
USC - 11-1 or ND 11-1
Auburn - 12-1 / Florida - 12-1 / Tenn - 12-1 / Ark - 12-1
Boise State - 12-0
BC - 12-1

Start the polls 4/5/6 weeks into the season, use the BCS to determine the top 4/6/8 teams and let them go at it in a playoff. If youre the the #9 team in the BCS standings, you go to your bowl game and try again next year.

11/1/2006 11:26:39 PM

If Ohio State beats Michigan at home, michigan will have ZERO argument for playing in the title game

their schedule is cakewalk, they deficated on ND in a game they have to play, but otherwise rolled on shitty big 10 teams and awful out of conference opponents.

If Michigan beats Ohio State, I think the situation is a little different, but who gets the nod?

An undefeated west virginia or louisville team would probably get my vote...otherwise you have

Texas who lost to ohio state? (it wouldnt be the first time an absolute injustice like that happened, see 1993)

USC or ND at 11-1? bcs poll probably wouldnt let it happen

A whole bunch of possibilities from the sec...none of which I think would end up happening, because quite frankly none of them are great. Arkansas and Auburn have bad losses, Florida is fucking florida and will probably play themselves out of it anyway, Tenn has been less than inspiring at many times and Arkansas wont get the respect (and will play themselves out of it in all likeliness). Assuming the SEC winner comes out of the east, it will likely follow an anti-climactic win over arkansas who isnt given any credit.

Ohio State - West Virginia is your game

[Edited on November 1, 2006 at 11:38 PM. Reason : d]

11/1/2006 11:36:50 PM

and for the record, to say that Georgia was great at any point in time this season is absolutely absurd

11/1/2006 11:39:15 PM

the bcs is garbage.

11/2/2006 1:39:06 AM

Quote :

"and what I am saying is that those SOS calculators are bullshit. They have killed a lot of teams that built up "good" records beating shitty teams."

Are you dissing the ACC method of looking good?

11/2/2006 8:20:44 AM

Quote :

"Georgia = great at the time Absolute fucking shit."

There I fixed that for you. Not a good win. Not a quality win. Not even a 'decent' team. Just absolute and utter shit.

Quote :

"Alabama = good"

Try again, please.

[Edited on November 4, 2006 at 4:18 PM. Reason : florida looked like a-hole too today. I almsot nailed that pick but Vandy had too many mistakes]

11/4/2006 4:15:50 PM

^ it was a game riddled with shittiness on both sides

11/4/2006 4:57:06 PM

So what happens when rutgers beats wvu and louisville and finishes undefeated? lol Hey it COULD happen...

11/4/2006 6:47:53 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/BCSStandings

If Louisville wins out they are in. There is pretty much no chance of a UM/OSU rematch now regardless though..

11/5/2006 5:49:15 PM

what if UM beats OSU by like 1 or 2

11/5/2006 6:01:15 PM

if Mich beats OSU there definitely should NOT be a rematch cause you could say "if michigan beats osu in the SHOE?!?! then they should definitely win again on neutral turf and the game (rematch) would be meaningless"

plus i just agree that louisville, if winning out, has proven to be an awesome team that deserves the national title game, i repeat, IF winning out of course...

11/5/2006 9:45:51 PM

I don't think it would matter if the UM-OSU loser was clearly #2 in the country, they still would not get in the title game. I think pollsters would take care of that.

11/5/2006 9:52:54 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2627844

man i LOVE the rose bowl for michigan, cause they went to it so much when they would win the big 10... but playing Cal would be an away game

11/5/2006 11:38:24 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2652449

rough on louisville

11/8/2006 3:24:34 PM

BTTT

11/9/2006 11:06:07 PM

Now that Louisville has a loss, if Florida wins their last three games (South Carolina, at FSU, SEC Championship), I think they're in the national title game against the OSU-Michigan winner.

11/9/2006 11:17:06 PM

florida/texas/michigan/ohio state

2 out of those 4 will be in the title game

11/9/2006 11:26:06 PM

gotta throw Cal in there... the computers will continue to love them and they have good sos games left...

11/9/2006 11:27:55 PM

ahhh yes i forgot them

11/9/2006 11:28:16 PM

fantastic, you forgot western carolina. UF might have trouble with them.

11/9/2006 11:29:13 PM

the computers already love cal. #2 in sagarin

11/9/2006 11:30:34 PM

as much as i hate to say it. It looks like it will be Ohio State vs Michigan pt 2 in January.

11/9/2006 11:31:38 PM