could somebody explain statefan24's link? gotta be honest, i have no clue

11/12/2006 8:12:29 PM

it shows sony stock plummeting after e3. even fanboys couldnt love what was announced (high pricetag, crappy version of tilt controller, not too many huge exclusives, etc).

11/12/2006 8:19:03 PM

do you have the sound on? it's just a sony fan bitching and yelling about various things regarding the ps3

11/12/2006 8:37:39 PM

11/12/2006 8:43:17 PM

PC------------------------------------PS3

$$$$______________________________$$$
can be used for anything_____________can be used for gaming and light internet
free online gameplay_________________$ for online gaming
upgradable_________________________not upgradable
porn ready_________________________pornless



[Edited on November 12, 2006 at 9:09 PM. Reason : ']

11/12/2006 9:07:59 PM

except that you can have a shitty computer and look at porn or the intarweb and im pretty sure they said sony online is free.

11/12/2006 9:59:14 PM

Sony's pricing point for the system reminded me of the NeoGEO days. If games are more than $60 I hope the PS3 suffers the same fate rather than enticing the competition to raise their prices to match.

11/13/2006 8:45:13 AM

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"In regards to gears of war commentary: Its an FPS It has good graphics It has a very fun to play co-op Thats what sells this genre. You reinvent the wheel you end up with prey. That went over real well....."

The game lasts about 6 hours. Paying ten bucks an hour is a pretty expensive experience for a game.

Prey didn't reinvent the wheel, they ADDED a gimmick. A more apt comparison would be adding spinner hub-caps to the wheel. Jesus that game really sucks though.

GoW isn't awful, but it's short, has very little replay value, terrible voice acting, another generic as hell storyline, muddy color pallette, same old weapon fare (I will admit the chainsaw in the gun was a nice touch though), and costs 60 bucks.

If I want to be entertained by pretty things, I'd go buy a hooker or rent a good movie. I play a game (and more importantly, PAY for a game) to PLAY A GOOD GAME.

Where along the line did great game = killer 120megapixel 16xAA Ultra Hi res nipples?

11/13/2006 12:13:23 PM

GoW isn't awful, but it's short - if you play it on easy...try playing on the hardest difficulty and then tell me how fast you beat it (you have to duck and cover nonstop).

has very little replay value - again, play it on a harder difficulty...what about xbox live? what about coop? i find those better than playing by yourself so i could play it over and over with a friend.

terrible voice acting - i dont know what to say about that (not a major selling point)

another generic as hell storyline - me personally, i dont care much about a story or how it develops, its about playing the game.

muddy color pallette - you realize you can change this in the options...i changed it to vibrant because i didnt like the dark colored theme; it look amazing in color.

old weapon fare (I will admit the chainsaw in the gun was a nice touch though) - weapons arent innovative (except for maybe chainsaw gun) but what games are these days.

costs 60 bucks - standard for all next gen games

11/13/2006 12:33:07 PM

Don't bother arguing with Noen with regards to video games.

He's the fuckwad that tried to use Myst 3's static images in claiming that game had better graphics then WoW.

GoW is plenty fun but threads like this are fundamentally retarded. There's nothing stopping you from buying either system. When I got my 360, I didn't sign a waiver saying I wouldn't buy a PS3.

11/13/2006 2:18:08 PM

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"if you can control your chars reasonably well and are having fun, it doesnt really matter what controls you are using."

you play to win the game

11/13/2006 2:30:20 PM

^so what everyone has the same "handicap"

11/13/2006 3:35:35 PM

SandSanta: I still say it LOOKS BETTER. Don't be jealous.

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"try playing on the hardest difficulty and then tell me how fast you beat it (you have to duck and cover nonstop)."

I don't play it at all, not a fan of FPS games. But my roomates do, they cleared Easy in like 5 hours, normal in about 3 and are halfway through insane. In 3 days.

Quote :

"again, play it on a harder difficulty...what about xbox live? what about coop? "

What's the point of co-op when you already beat the thing? It's no fun going through the same shit over and over again (also applicable to the "try it on a harder difficulty argument"). Nothing inherently changes in the game, it's the same scripted path, same story, same enemies.

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"me personally, i dont care much about a story or how it develops, its about playing the game. "

Then that's a fundamental difference between us I guess.

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"you realize you can change this in the options...i changed it to vibrant because i didnt like the dark colored theme; it look amazing in color. "

Good call, yea it's definitely an improvement. Preciate the tip on that.

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"weapons arent innovative (except for maybe chainsaw gun) but what games are these days. "

Half Life 2. And outside of FPS games, developers have been coming up with new stuff all the time (Ratchet and Clank, Mario, Zelda, et al). It all goes back to the storyline though. When you set every damn game in post-apocalyptic settings, it limits the creativity quite a bit.

11/13/2006 10:05:54 PM

id say ppl arent innovative with weaponry cuz it can be a pain to balance for online multiplayer. if done right the norm is decent.

11/13/2006 11:56:06 PM

there's always a fresh crop of 13 year olds every year

they've never played a post-apocalyptic game before

[Edited on November 13, 2006 at 11:57 PM. Reason : s]

11/13/2006 11:57:05 PM

its more like

DX 10 Video Cards >>> PS3/360

Bring on Vista baby

11/14/2006 3:44:20 AM

^ all of those were recalled.

11/14/2006 7:54:16 AM

so?

11/14/2006 12:28:32 PM

i heard they caught fire and made men sterile

11/14/2006 12:52:41 PM

A few boards had bad caps so they had to recall all to make sure. No biggie, the GTS's were not recalled.

11/14/2006 12:59:26 PM

Quote :

"I don't play it at all, not a fan of FPS games. But my roomates do, they cleared Easy in like 5 hours, normal in about 3 and are halfway through insane. In 3 days."

Maybe i'm wrong, but that makes me think your friends are hardcore gamers. I doubt it's a casual gaming experience for them. The point of a FPS is not the story mode, it's the co-op and multiplayer experience. How many people do you know that still sit at home and play halo 2 single player mode? Few if any. How many people playing are always whining that they're playing the same game over and over but just against different people? Not many.

If you want a game that's going to take 140 hours to get through it, then don't buy a FPS. For anyone to argue that they don't want to pay the money for a FPS cause the single player story mode is too short is searching for the wrong genre of game.

addon: Maybe it's because I'm actually working now and have a job, but I don't have time to play a video game for 10+ hours in three days to beat a game. I'm getting a 360 for xmas, and also am getting this game. I play probably an hour tops a night, so I realize this is going to be a worthwhile purchase for me

[Edited on November 14, 2006 at 1:09 PM. Reason : .]

11/14/2006 1:08:03 PM

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"costs 60 bucks - standard for all next gen games"

Standard only for PS3 and 360. Wii is going $49.99, and last generation (XBox, PS2, GC) typically sold games for $49.99. Last time I remember $59.99 (and slightly higher) being standard was when consoles used cartridges.

PS: http://brentroad.com/message_section.aspx?section=8

[Edited on November 14, 2006 at 1:26 PM. Reason : ]

11/14/2006 1:24:54 PM

well, nintendo has to do something to overcome the GC debacle

oh, and $60 gets you better def than the 480p the Pii has

11/14/2006 1:33:22 PM

so no one has awnsered my question...which system has the most potential, better graphics and etc? I plan on getting a hd dvd attatchment for the xbox 360 so the price is no issue. they end up being the same?

11/14/2006 1:37:59 PM

I'm a hardcore gamer and I pretty much say this game is awesome.

As do a lot of people like me.

Noen is entitled to his opinion but my nonscientific guess is that its of the minority.

As for the DX10 video cars, GG on linking a card that costs nearly as much as a console.

11/14/2006 1:48:52 PM

PS3 has superior hardware, but we will see what the games are like. GTA4 FTW!

11/14/2006 1:49:19 PM

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"As for the DX10 video cars, GG on linking a card that costs nearly as much as a console."

What do you expect for the highest end new gen video card out? Duh they are going to cost the same as a PS3. But they will whipe the damn floor with both consoles. Im ready to sell my 7900GT and get one of these bad boys but I think Ill hold off till the next line comes out and they get any bugs out of DX10.

11/14/2006 1:50:59 PM

Quote :

"Maybe i'm wrong, but that makes me think your friends are hardcore gamers. I doubt it's a casual gaming experience for them. The point of a FPS is not the story mode, it's the co-op and multiplayer experience. "

First videogame either have played in better than 3 months, but yes they are both former Halo 2 addicts. The multiplayer co-op was very fun to watch for sure, but now that they played through the thing, it's not really fun at all going BACK through it again and again.

At least with a game like Dead Rising, there was a motivation to playing through the thing over and over.

11/14/2006 1:54:41 PM

i havent seen too many pc games that are much better than good 360 titles.

[Edited on November 14, 2006 at 1:56 PM. Reason : graphics wise, gameplay is always arguable]

11/14/2006 1:56:30 PM

Best Performance: Most thing the PS3, though 360 is barely behind
Best Performance/$ : 360, cheaper than the PS3 and just about as "pretty"
Most Innovative: Wii, tons of interesting games, never before seen controllers, and focus on making the games fun, instead of making sure you can see every scale on Yoshi's ass in HighDef

I'm a computer "fanboy" I think that performance gaming consoles are hurting the market for PCs and so I don't like them that much. I'll be buying a Wii because Nintendo has offered me something that my computer can't do, and has said that they aren't going to go after the same market that Sony and Microsucks live in. The Wii will be both fun and cost effective.

If you want to play console games with the absolute best graphics you'll have to pick up a 360 or a PS3. Neither is "better" than the other, they are just different.

11/14/2006 1:58:09 PM

^^

mainly because all the major graphical games have been waiting on DX10 and Vista along with DX10 video cards.

Even high end DX9 makes the 360 look like ass IMO. Ive played both a lot and the 360 just isnt that impressive.

Here is some of the first DX10 screens rendered in real time by the 8800GTX





[Edited on November 14, 2006 at 2:02 PM. Reason : ^^]

11/14/2006 2:02:03 PM

hair still looks terrible

11/14/2006 2:03:43 PM

But you gotta remember this shit is brand new. Think of what the first DX9 games looked like compared to what we have now. I cant wait to see DX10 in a year or two.

11/14/2006 2:05:23 PM

Dude look

You can't say "buy the best video card that costs as much as a 360" and then come right and say "but its worth it" because in reality its nowhere near "worth it." Buying cutting edge computer technology now with a monitor and sound system to compliment is going to set you back over a thousand dollars and you STILL won't have the ease of use a console will provide.

Sure, you can play in ultra high res with nice graphics but in case you hadn't really noticed, some of the BEST pc games happen to be the ones with the most average graphics and even then its getting harder to find a decent PC title.

Windows as a gaming platform is dying and Vista won't any better.

11/14/2006 2:07:09 PM

Quote :

"Dude look You can't say "buy the best video card that costs as much as a 360" and then come right and say "but its worth it" because in reality its nowhere near "worth it." Buying cutting edge computer technology now with a monitor and sound system to compliment is going to set you back over a thousand dollars and you STILL won't have the ease of use a console will provide. Sure, you can play in ultra high res with nice graphics but in case you hadn't really noticed, some of the BEST pc games happen to be the ones with the most average graphics and even then its getting harder to find a decent PC title. Windows as a gaming platform is dying and Vista won't any better."

I agree that building a computer from the ground up is expensive.

But the fact is that most computer gamers recycle their hardware. Meaning they use the same sound card same monitor same case and just upgrade parts when needed. For example I upgraded my CPU and RAM 4 months before I bought my 7900GT. The graphics, the mod community, and the abilitiy to tweak your computer like tuning a car is what ties me so strong to computers. The whole convience thing is in the past. If you have a good gaming computer you can do the exact same thing as a console. Push the power button and stick a disc in. Only thing is you cant sit and play with 3 of your buddies on one machine.

Also those cards will come down in price. The GTS will be under 300 before you know it.

Lastly if you knew anything about computer games you would bite your tounge on the games statement. Lets see here we have:

Crysis
UT07
Quake Wars
Team Fortress 2
HL2 Episode 2

just to name a few FPS shooters, are all coming out around/after Xmas,.

Everyone in the computer gaming community is going nuts right now waiting on some of the most anticipated games in years to come out in the next few months.

*edit - also the fact remains that without computer gaming you wouldnt have the 360 or the PS3. Computer gaming drives the hardware and guess what hardware is in your consoles? Thats right, very similiar hardware to computers, same companies making the video cards (Nvidia and ATI) and similiar chipsets. The only difference is the day the console launches, the hardware is already outdated by current computer hardware.




[Edited on November 14, 2006 at 2:22 PM. Reason : .]

11/14/2006 2:15:57 PM

Quote :

"Sure, you can play in ultra high res with nice graphics but in case you hadn't really noticed, some of the BEST pc games happen to be the ones with the most average graphics and even then its getting harder to find a decent PC title. Windows as a gaming platform is dying and Vista won't any better."

For once, I completely agree with SandSanta.

On the PC you have a choice between: FPS Shooter, MMORPG, RTS, "insert type here" simulator.

It's really sad that there really aren't any successful innovative games on the PC anymore.

Quote :

"Crysis UT07 Quake Wars Team Fortress 2 HL2 Episode 2"

These might as well be all the same game except HL2, which is going to be worth a whole 5-6 hours of entertainment. I mean seriously, how many times can you rehash the "give em guns and let em fight it out" deathmatch until you realize you are just buying the same shit over and over again?

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"Only thing is you cant sit and play with 3 of your buddies on one machine. "

That's 95% of the reason I even play video games. It's only fun as a social activity, and I guess I missed the whole "meet internet friends in the game" generation.

[Edited on November 14, 2006 at 2:21 PM. Reason : .]

11/14/2006 2:19:54 PM

I mean I could've named other games but I just named the top FPS's coming out since that was discussed in here.

11/14/2006 2:23:21 PM

^no ones stopping you

11/14/2006 2:31:20 PM

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"well, nintendo has to do something to overcome the GC debacle"

If by debacle you mean made significantly more money XBox (and possibly PS2) then yes, they certainly should fix that travesty.

They rely on an older strategy and concentrate more on their own games that other systems will not have. You either like their system of doing things, or you don't.

And seriously: http://brentroad.com/message_section.aspx?section=8

[Edited on November 14, 2006 at 2:46 PM. Reason : .]

11/14/2006 2:45:16 PM

blackdog can you teach me how to play gears of war on my PC, i didnt know that was an option. Im ordering a DX10 card per your advice and knowledge in this area

11/14/2006 3:14:51 PM

Windows is dying as a gaming platform.






right.

11/14/2006 3:16:08 PM

Uhh

Please to provide evidence to the contrary without referencing World of Warcraft.

11/14/2006 3:17:27 PM

Im still trying to figure out how people can make comments on something that doesnt even have games out yet....

11/14/2006 3:18:52 PM

Because clearly WoW will now get 32 frames per second in Orgrimmar rather then the shitty DX9 of 30.

11/14/2006 3:20:38 PM

What is this orgrimmar? Is that like a Pistachio?

11/14/2006 3:30:31 PM

Its coded proof that $$$ spent != improvement in graphical performance.

11/14/2006 3:35:11 PM

those pics are nice and all, but what nvidia releases as promo pics and what games actually look like is quite different.

11/14/2006 3:55:18 PM

^

shhhhhhhh....its the mirrors

11/14/2006 4:00:25 PM

HaHah I popped a turtle laughing at that

11/14/2006 4:13:19 PM

*flips the switch on the smoke machines

11/14/2006 4:14:00 PM