hot pockets

11/30/2006 9:39:43 PM

even though i know you are not serious...those things have 40 grams of fat per box

i eat them like once every 5 months

11/30/2006 10:28:20 PM

Quote :

"What? Break down that math for me, please."

96 calories in a 12oz can of miller lite
24 cans in a case
52 weeks in a year
3500 calories in pound of fat stored on the body

96 * 24 = 2,304 calories in a case of beer
2304 * 52 = 119,800 calories per year from that beer
119,800 / 3500 = 34.23 pounds of fat that were not burned from the body because it was running off of alcohol instead

since alcohol is nothing but empty calories, you would have to adjust your diet and exercise to account for that 34lbs worth of excess garbage you put in your body if you wanted to stay at a constant body weight and body fat composition.

11/30/2006 11:06:53 PM

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"so if you go work out and then go drink later that day then you'll actually end up losing muscle. every time you went and had a hellacious workout and followed it up with a night at the bar, you were only shooting yourself in the foot."

People think I'm crazy because I don't drink on days I lift. I haven't had a drink in 3 weeks, I've gone this long, might as well just never drink again.

11/30/2006 11:26:00 PM

more power to ya; I do the exact same thing. I drink all of about 4 times a year, and I schedule my workout breaks around those periods. if I know I have a drinking holiday coming up, all I do is cardio for a couple days before and a day or two after.

11/30/2006 11:27:41 PM

Thanksgiving was the first time i drank in 2 months. It was just wine with dinner.

Just looking at it feels wrong, now.

[Edited on November 30, 2006 at 11:30 PM. Reason : ]

11/30/2006 11:29:05 PM

I asked for the Super Squats book for X-mas.

11/30/2006 11:31:14 PM

the ECU game was the first time I drank since July 4th weekend, but I went all out. a fifth of yeager, a couple glasses of wine, and a 12 pack of miller lite. between that and the cheesecake my sister made, I think I undid 2 weeks worth of dieting. my weight shot from 243 to 256, and then settled back out at 248 by tuesday.

but it was well worth it. I probably won't drink anything at all until memorial day or such.

11/30/2006 11:34:16 PM

You realize there is new year's coming up?

11/30/2006 11:37:04 PM

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"drinking actually speeds up metabolism"

that's a common misconception. because alcohol is a sedative, the first couple of drinks have the effect of dialating your vessels. you initially lose some heat/calories because of the relaxed vessels, but that warming effect is heat leaving the body and not your metabolism being activated.

conversely, caffeine which is a stimulant has the effect of constricting your vessels and kickstarts the metabolism, but is not a regulator of mteabolic pathways per se. that's why you see a lot of thermogenic supplements with caffeine.

11/30/2006 11:47:35 PM

35 pounds a year = 328 calories a day. Not really that hard to work off, given daily activities such as walking around.. living.. sleeping...metabolism...etc.

I'd say things like.. I don't know, a typical fast food meal at 1100 calories are more dangerous.

But seriously... alcohol is not simply empty calories. end of your argument. I can think of a lot of things, nutritionally speaking, that are much more unhealthy than beer.

[Edited on December 1, 2006 at 12:01 AM. Reason : .]

11/30/2006 11:59:38 PM

thermogenic supplements don't have caffeine in them because of the blood vessel constriction; the caffeine is there to take up monoamine oxidase enzymes and make the ephedrine analogs stay biologically active for longer. in fact, most bodybuilders added aspirin to the mix to counteract the blood vessel constriction. ephedrine free supplements that just rely on tons of caffeine do absolutely nothing for increasing metabolism.

what you said about alcohol was just plain stupid. if your body is losing heat at a faster rate, it has to be created somewhere else in the body to keep the core temperature stabilized. the first drink or two will cause brown adipose tissue to increase thermogenesis, which results in a raise in metabolism. your body will burn more calories to maintain temperature, even though the alcohol is quickly adding calories at 7 Calories/gram.

12/1/2006 12:01:06 AM

^ftw

12/1/2006 12:05:08 AM

Quote :

"alcohol is not simply empty calories. end of your argument. 35 pounds a year = 328 calories a day. Not really that hard to work off, given daily activities such as walking around.. living.. etc. I'd say things like.. I don't know, a typical fast food meal at 1100 calories are more dangerous."

328 calories that contain no vitamins, nutrients, essential fats, fiber, or protein. most people don't eat a balanced diet as it is. you're saying it's ok for people to take in over 10% of their daily caloric need in the form of alcohol as long as they walk around? I can ride my bike for an hour at a decent clip and barely burn 328 calories.

[Edited on December 1, 2006 at 12:07 AM. Reason : alchol is empty calories and has no place in a diet of any kind. end of my argument]

12/1/2006 12:06:14 AM

What about .7g of protein in beer?

12/1/2006 12:08:06 AM

I can run for 20-25 minutes and burn 328 calories, EASY. In fact, I burn ~500 calories minimum each day running. Maybe you should pick up the fucking slack on your bike, fatty.

12/1/2006 12:09:17 AM

you buying beer from EAS?

^I tend to burn 800 calories or more every time I do cardio, between elliptical training and stairmasters. I ride my bike for fun and to get outside when the weather's nice. my point still stands that 328 calories a day is not a small increment, and I seriously doubt the majority of people in this thread run as much as you do.

[Edited on December 1, 2006 at 12:12 AM. Reason : .]

12/1/2006 12:09:57 AM

But, he's not burning off alch calories.

12/1/2006 12:13:42 AM

You must seriously underestimate how easy it is to burn 328 calories, especially if you are out of shape and trying cardio. Fat people have it easier, anyway. Get off your fucking high horse and admit 328 calories is small fucking change for fatasses.

12/1/2006 12:13:54 AM

What about the higher progress they would have with out the alch

12/1/2006 12:15:38 AM

who said anything about out of shape or trying cardio? are you trying to say that there's a place in a diet for more than the occasional drink? you sound like an alcoholic trying to justify your addiction.

12/1/2006 12:18:30 AM

Quote :

"thermogenic supplements don't have caffeine in them because of the blood vessel constriction; the caffeine is there to take up monoamine oxidase enzymes and make the ephedrine analogs stay biologically active for longer. in fact, most bodybuilders added aspirin to the mix to counteract the blood vessel constriction. ephedrine free supplements that just rely on tons of caffeine do absolutely nothing for increasing metabolism. what you said about alcohol was just plain stupid. if your body is losing heat at a faster rate, it has to be created somewhere else in the body to keep the core temperature stabilized. the first drink or two will cause brown adipose tissue to increase thermogenesis, which results in a raise in metabolism. your body will burn more calories to maintain temperature, even though the alcohol is quickly adding calories at 7 Calories/gram."

yeah, its been a long time since biochemistry class, but i know alcohol consumption at recreational quantities will fuck your metabolism up the day you drink it, and untill your liver completely rids the body of it (well after the hangover period).

you win because i don't have time to explain it all...

12/1/2006 12:19:48 AM

if you had quoted my entire statement then you would have quoted me saying one drink won't hurt you too badly, but having several is going to add way more calories than you're going to burn off. the general dieting advice is just to tell people it's wrong, because if you get into all the details you'll usually confuse people on what happens in the body at different alcohol levels.

12/1/2006 12:23:03 AM

I DON'T HAVE TIME TO READ YOUR ENTIRE STATEM...

12/1/2006 12:28:51 AM

I haven't read through the thread but here's what I do:

In the past year I've lost 70 pounds. I've done it with a combination of spin classes, running, athletic conditioning classes and lifting weights. But the most important thing is NUTRITION! You have to eat better if you expect to lose anything. My usual schedule is pretty simple:

Monday: 50 minute spin class. HR is usually somewhere between 150-170 for the majority of the class. My resting HR is somewhere in the low 50s.

Tuesday: 3 mile run at a fast pace. I'm still not very fast but usually do the run in about 22-23 minutes, so about a 7:30/mile pace. Not bad since I run outside and Charlotte is rather hilly.

Wednesday: Athletic conditioning for an hour. This class combines all the things you hated about sports. Running the stairs, running laps, suicide drills, sprints, high knees, jump rope, obstacle courses, shuffles, jumps, etc. It's a great class though, keeps you moving for the entire hour. After that I lift weights for the one time a week. I usually do two lifts per muscle group.

Thursday: Longer run, usually 8-9 miles. Slower pace, around 9-9:30/mile pace.

Friday: Off

Saturday: Another long run, I'm doing a half marathon next weekend so my distance has been going up. Attempting the 13 this weekend.

Sunday: Off or a 3 mile jog, accent on jog. Just something to get the blood flowing.

Before picture (on the far right):

After pictures:

12/1/2006 12:49:07 AM

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but...

I see the main point being that alcohol is empty calories and drinking a lot is going to add way more calories etc etc

Anyways, another important factor is the effect it has on Protein Synthesis...it basically shuts that down (more or less) and if your primary goal is to gain/maintain muscle growth this is def. something you do not want to happen on a regular basis.

12/1/2006 12:50:18 AM

Quote :

"eat a ton of protein when dieting. it keeps you satiated for longer and fills up your stomach quicker; both of which can keep you from overeating."

Fiber does this as well, doesn't it?

12/1/2006 12:53:00 AM

fiber and healthy fats

helps prolong digestion and make you feel full longer

12/1/2006 12:53:34 AM

god damn wadhead...you lost a fucking shit ton of weight

still look like pat robertson tho

12/1/2006 1:24:52 AM

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"U wanna get cut? give up everything you like to eat (except one meal on holidays) and commit to significant daily cardio in addition to strength training 3-4 days a week. No holidays on the excercise...."

WRONG.


Unless you have below-average genetics...this is not a necessity.

Watch what you eat...work out...do some cardio...you can get cut. It does not have to be that strict.

12/1/2006 2:09:00 AM

^Actually to get as cut as some people want it DOES require that you be that strict

(not as far as giving up everything you like to eat...but moreso than you made it sound)

[Edited on December 1, 2006 at 8:34 AM. Reason : ]

12/1/2006 8:34:18 AM

Maybe he likes to eat doughnuts, cake and mountains of chocolate with a side of fries. Yes, if you like to eat shit, you will have to cut that.


Please, stop saying "cut". It's low body fat percentage.


My stomach also turns to hear the words, "ript" and "tone."

12/1/2006 8:45:12 AM

yeah, I hate hearing people use those terms as well.

I don't think it's been mentioned in here yet, but you are better off eating several small meals instead of the classic "3 square meals". just cut starches out of your diet and replace them with low glycemic grains and fibers, and base your diet around foods that are high in protein and healthy fats. even when dieting I still eat 5 meals a day; when I'm bulking I up it to 7.

12/1/2006 8:51:21 AM

Wadhead1 ftw

12/1/2006 10:52:54 AM

i'm lazy, I hate mixing up my workouts even though it would be better.

I run 3 miles every morning

Lift 3 times a week on the afternoons

12/1/2006 11:01:26 AM

Quote :

"Wadhead1 ftw"

yeah, no doubt. gg man.

12/1/2006 11:04:16 AM

My New Years Resolution...Start doing GPP work fulltime. Dragging the sled, buying a big tire and some sandbags.

12/1/2006 11:07:18 AM

Wadhead1, what weight are you at now, and how does your diet differ now from where it was before the loss? That change in body composition is very impressive. Good job.

12/1/2006 11:23:01 AM

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"I don't think it's been mentioned in here yet, but you are better off eating several small meals instead of the classic "3 square meals". "

care to explain this?

total calories at the end of the day are what count...obviously it'll help you not stuff your face if you spread those calories out, but saying that it's better than 3 square meals is misleading

12/1/2006 11:38:30 AM

Quote :

"care to explain this? total calories at the end of the day are what count...obviously it'll help you not stuff your face if you spread those calories out, but saying that it's better than 3 square meals is misleading"

It's my understanding that it helps keeps your metabolism raised and stable.

12/1/2006 11:43:40 AM

a lot of people think that...but I actually heard recently that it's not as big a deal as many make it out to be

I still do it, I just don't think it's necessary

12/1/2006 11:46:06 AM

Google "John Berardi "for nutrition. He lays out pretty solid diet advise.

Eleusis, wouldn't backing off the meals for dieting down be less productive compared to keeping the higher number and just backing the calories down in the meals? Did you ever find whole oats?


[Edited on December 1, 2006 at 12:12 PM. Reason : ]

12/1/2006 11:59:51 AM

I've pretty much cut out snacks. In high school and college I use to always buy little debbies and shit like that to snack on all the time...but the older you get, the less your body can take that and still stay in shape. I've substituted some healthy granola bars for those snacks (lots of granola bars are just as bad as candy bars) and I've pretty much cut out soft drinks. As far as my meals go, I eat healthy when I can, but I still eat burgers and fries regularly...and the occasional desert or candy bar when I'm craving. I also drink pretty regularly...I laugh at people who stop say that you can't drink a lot and stay in shape.

As far as working out goes...I make it to the gym on average of 4 days a week. Sometimes five, sometimes three...but mostly four. I split it up like this: one day chest, one day biceps and back, one day triceps and shoulders, one day lower body. And everyday I lift I either do thirty minutes of cardio or thirty minutes of abs. So I do cardio and abs twice a week (sometimes cardio three times a week).

Other then when I was in high school and playing like 3 sports at a time, I'm in the best shape of my life. I can bench almost twice my body weight, repping three hundred on squats, can do 15-20 REAL pull-ups, running close to four and a half miles in thirty minutes, and have held a consistent 8-pack for the past year. I haven't really switched up my workout in about 2 years other than I've just added more to it. I use to do three exercises for every muscle, now I do four, I've added more cardio and more abs, and that's about it. I don't like switching up my workout because I feel like what I do works pretty good, so why change it?

I feel like staying in good shape is common sense...I don't understand why people have such a hard time with it. Motivation is probably the toughest thing....if you can get that, the rest should be easy.

12/1/2006 12:08:08 PM

Quote :

"total calories at the end of the day are what count...obviously it'll help you not stuff your face if you spread those calories out, but saying that it's better than 3 square meals is misleading"

the body is not cabable of storing protein, unless you want to consider your muscles as a storage system that you're willing to catabolize. eating proteing at several times spread out through the day helps keep amino acid levels in the body stable, which aids in repairing tissue and maintaining a positive nitrogen balance. when you severely restrict calories, it helps keep your body from resorting to gluconeogenesis on existing muscle tissue for energy.

food also has a thermogenic effect on the body. the body actually has to expend a small amount of energy in order to digest the food you eat. the thermogenic effect is not linear with the amount of calories you eat, but moreso with the amount of time your body is digesting the foods. eating more frequently raises the caloric expenditure of your body.

there are supposedly other benefits from eating more often that stem from ghrelin and leptin levels in the body, but I don't have enough of an understanding of endocrinology to understand them. the basis of some of the studies I have seen is that frequent meals and corresponding frequent spikes in leptin somehow trick the brain into thinking you are overeating and thus increases thyroid hormones and stimulates fat release through the inflammatory response systems. I've seen so much contradicting information on leptin in the last few years that I just stopped reading it. honestly, I don't think the scientific community agrees on how the hormones produced by the stomach work.

as far as why I cut back on meals, it's just personal preference. I think I am fairly insulin sensitive (since I bulk so easily), and it seems easier for me to lose weight by cutting back on my meals and spacing them out by 3 hours instead of 2. also, I tend to diet wit the aid of yohimbine, ephedrine, and caffeine stacks taken about 3 hours before doing cardio. for some reason, yohimbine seems to only work when you have nothing in your stomach. I usually adjust my meals so that I stop eating an hour before taking the yohimbine and not eating again until about an hour after my cardio session.

[Edited on December 1, 2006 at 12:23 PM. Reason : I found whole oats at whole foods, but balked after seeing the price. time to look online for me]

12/1/2006 12:22:02 PM

I wonder if you can request Harris Teeter to get some?

12/1/2006 12:30:50 PM

I've lost 60 lbs from becoming a vegan and lifting/cardio 4-5 times a week. I still drink alcohol once or twice a week.

12/1/2006 2:11:43 PM

silly vegans and morons who strive to look like brad pitt

12/1/2006 2:29:43 PM

Sam's Club had some whole oats for cheap a while back...but their inventory changes so frequently that I don't know if they'd still have any now

12/1/2006 2:37:55 PM

Well, this thread turned into a cock measurement contest quickly enough.

[Edited on December 1, 2006 at 2:49 PM. Reason : .]

12/1/2006 2:45:32 PM

Quote :

"Well, this thread turned into a cock measurement contest quickly enough."

"Whats your workout plan, diet, and shape?"


How else can you answer the question posed by the thread???

12/1/2006 3:00:58 PM