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12/11/2006 5:57:58 PM

No, they don't come close to Toyota/Honda level. Pre-2k Jeeps = shit. Post-2k Jeeps = a little better quality. Overall, Dodge/Chrysler is known for their short-lived vehicles.

12/11/2006 8:22:33 PM

so you come in comparing passenger car quality to suvs? apples to oranges

12/11/2006 8:26:56 PM

I had a 94 Jeep Cherokee w/ 284K on it. Man that was an awesome ride.

12/11/2006 8:28:51 PM

prime first has never made an intelligent comment

12/11/2006 9:06:46 PM

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"cherokee's have the stronger high pinion 30 in the front"

unless you have a late '99, or a '00 or '01............they got the low pinion

12/11/2006 10:02:02 PM

^ correct, i missed that detail

12/11/2006 10:08:31 PM

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"Overall, Dodge/Chrysler is known for their short-lived vehicles."

overall, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

12/11/2006 10:25:52 PM

all i know is that old DODGE ramcharger runs like a motherfucking champ

[Edited on December 11, 2006 at 10:37 PM. Reason : three on the tree son!]

12/11/2006 10:37:14 PM

haha, ya'll been playing with my toys?

12/11/2006 10:41:54 PM

we took it over to dan's to get those seats outta the tj for ya
i learned the art of rockin the 3 on the tree. we took good care of it tho. now u need to make some seat brackets and get that faded purple crap outta there, if u need some help let me know

12/11/2006 10:45:35 PM

haha, don't be too nice to it... drive it like i would i'm going to get some sheetmetal welded in the floorplans when i swap the seats too. i hear it needs a motor mount also. whopping $4 part, lol.

12/11/2006 10:55:31 PM

yup, the passenger mount is done.

12/11/2006 11:06:12 PM

Quote :

"Overall, Dodge/Chrysler is known for their short-lived vehicles."

dip shit

12/11/2006 11:33:59 PM

Quote :

"Overall, idiots are known for their short-lived life's."

12/12/2006 12:24:30 AM

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"unless you have a late '99, or a '00 or '01............they got the low pinion"

NAXJA!!!!!

what a gay. i've got your low pinion right here.

12/12/2006 12:45:00 AM

my '89 cherokee is running fine with 212k miles. body is in good condition. as far as i know transmission hasn't been replaced.
bought used in '01 and have only had to replace the window, ignition key, and starter after someone tried to hotwire it not realizing the battery was disconnected- and caused a bunch of damage.

12/14/2006 12:15:19 PM

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"N o, they don't come close to Toyota/Honda level. i agree Pre-2k Jeeps = shit. i disagree Post-2k Jeeps = a little better quality. i disagree Overall, Dodge/Chrysler and Mercedes are known for their short-lived vehicles."

12/14/2006 1:26:58 PM

^how the fuck can you say that about Mercedes? Those cars aren't short lived by any meaning of the phrase. Those engines last forever.

Quote :

"auto or manual? neither are very bad transmissions unless you get the older peugot one"

They were both autos

12/14/2006 1:52:49 PM

their old diesels yes

their newer cars... no

12/14/2006 1:56:35 PM

how exactly can you qualify that statement?

12/14/2006 2:01:49 PM

my 94 wrangler 4.0L had 201k when i sold it. i had it for 160k miles of it and only had tranny problems.

the engine never failed to start, ever.

12/15/2006 12:00:49 PM

^ I had a '93 4.0L and the tranny (5 Speed) AX-15 went out, but the engine was bulletproof

12/15/2006 12:41:39 PM

I have an 88 with over 350K, and the only problems have been with the electrical system

12/15/2006 2:02:30 PM

4.0s are bulletproof....everyone knows that

12/16/2006 3:21:19 AM

I have a 96 Grand Cherokee with 165 on it. It's not working as well as it used to, it has stared burning oil like crazy, the door hinges had to be replaced, the entire audio system has died, and the transmission probably needs to be fixed.

But it got to 150 without too many problems.

12/16/2006 8:55:10 AM

I had an '04 Grand Cherokee Overland with about 30K miles on it before it died on 10/3.

It died when a minivan full of Mexicans with no insurance ran through a red light and broadsided it at 50 mph, with my family and me in it.

12/16/2006 9:32:42 AM

i got a 98 with 130k.....no problems yet

12/16/2006 11:02:30 AM

The 2002 Wrangler lasts forever.
You should buy mine.

12/16/2006 11:28:02 AM

ax15 has shitty synchros

12/16/2006 11:37:43 AM

dammit, the ignition broke on mine last night, I was going to go get a chirstmas tree, and I go to turn the key and the fucking thing is loose, the entire ignition thing is just spinning around freely.

[Edited on December 16, 2006 at 2:30 PM. Reason : g]

12/16/2006 2:30:07 PM

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"prime first has never made an intelligent comment"

Hey, guys. My point wasn't to offend either you or Chrysler etc. My family has owned 5 Dodge/Chryslers. There are a lot of long-lasting ones out there, but I really don't think that they have had a very good reputation when it comes to quality over the past couple of decades. I think they're fine now and they're doing a way better job than the other guys in Michigan.

I come from a C&D POV so maybe you guys have different perspectives.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/3283/long-term-test-jeep-grand-cherokee-limited.html

12/17/2006 9:07:22 PM

I have a 81 CJ-8 with 112k farm miles mostly and it runs fine except for need a new clutch hydr. ass. but other wise can't complain

12/18/2006 6:58:42 AM

my cherokee is still runnong strong at 140k with no majors issues. I had an oil leak problem & had to replace the radiator, but that's about it.

12/18/2006 4:39:08 PM

My brother's jeep cherokee (1993 2dr Country 4.0L auto) had a tree fall on it (fixed that using hydraulic jacks and some ghetto engineering), drove through a flood that was a couple inches below the intake in depth, was driven psychotically for about 5 years, and he's really only had to do regular maintenance on the thing with the exception of the tree thing. Right now he's driving a honda civic because the gas costs were too high from out where he lived.

My jeep cherokee that I have now is a solid beast (2000 4dr sport 4.0L auto), with the exception being that the AC system was made using lemons ($1300 repair to replace the condenser), and the cooling fan on it went out shortly after we bought it. I've put about 8k miles on it since we got it 2 years ago, and drive it easy. It's never had any engine or transmission problems, it always starts unless you kill the battery (did this once with my interior light, once because the stealership broke the hood lamp housing so the damn thing just dangled around draining juice (thanks to the mercury switch)).

The one I had before this one ran like a POS because my dad wouldn't take it to anybody besides the dealership or his one mechanic (terry's tire, they've moved somewhere). He also insisted upon taking it to jiffy rape (this probably cost him hundreds of dollars because of the sucker moves he fell for). It had a problem with the vaccuum lines that never were fixed until the very end of when I had the car, then the car had some major electrical problems that caused a small fire. To be fair however, the car was wrecked majorly at least once before we got it (new front right fender, new front grille, bumper caps were torn to hell and poorly repaired, one door was out of alignment, gap spacing on the car could vary by several millimeters between different body parts (looked like shit if you knew what you were looking for, which I did two years after we got the car), and none of this was on the damn carfax), and it caught on fire after it was "repaired" (by Maaco...) because it was most likely driven straight into a concrete pole.

ANYWAY, if you treat a jeep nice, do all the regular maintenance, and don't drive it like a dumbass all the time, it's bound to last just fine. I've heard that jeep liberties have pretty good quality (from those tv/online reviews, none of them reputable I bet).

12/18/2006 7:10:42 PM

There's no doubt that Jeeps are tough. But I sometimes question the overall fit/finish and the level of refinement in manufacturing quality. Big improvement since the last generation. But Jeeps can go through a lot.

12/18/2006 9:27:28 PM