Even the most misguided spirit can stumble upon truth once in awhile. There is no doubt that culture has an impact upon an individuals success or failure. It is also no secret that many modern elements of african-american culture are self destructive, John McWhorter has written at length on this subject and I highly recommend his work:
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/mcwhorter.htm

1/7/2007 12:18:27 PM

I am not being racist. Yes I can be racist in some of my posts as a joke or to push buttons...but the facts i'm bringing up is not racist. Just because its about the black community you assume its racist.

Blacks in England are no different then whites. Interacial realtionships are found everywhere. They work just as hard as the next guy. maybe some of 'you people' should follow that as an example

[Edited on January 7, 2007 at 12:23 PM. Reason : fda]

1/7/2007 12:22:05 PM

^^Absoutely. There's a difference between that and what Golovko's saying. I'm disappointed that you're encouraging him by supporting him.

^You're not bringing up facts. You haven't posted a fact yet. You're just being racist. So much of what you've posted is so ridiculously ignorant that I'm not even gonna waste my time on you.

[Edited on January 7, 2007 at 12:56 PM. Reason : sss]

1/7/2007 12:36:23 PM

denial. Its a process.

1/7/2007 12:59:49 PM

Golovko ftw

1/7/2007 5:49:02 PM

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"The days of slaves has long been over, get over it, its time to work for a living just like every other immigrant that comes to the US and tries to achieve the real american dream... the whole damn race stands on the shoulders of the few great ones...like Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King Jr."

but the effects are still here and apparent. my great grandmother was a slave... urs proably bought u that fancy evo u drive around in. you say the few great ones but u don't realize african americans have effected damn there every aspect of americn culture , from fashion , to music, to wars back to oprahs book club.

although there are parts of the african american culture that may be self desructive, there are also racist who perpeuate and beleive stereotypes. i could go on and on about this but u guys but u guys already have ur minds made up about evry black perosn and what they do.

1/7/2007 5:54:01 PM

Wow, I can't believe 8=======D won this thread

1/7/2007 6:06:41 PM

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"but the effects are still here and apparent. my great grandmother was a slave... urs proably bought u that fancy evo u drive around in. you say the few great ones but u don't realize african americans have effected damn there every aspect of americn culture , from fashion , to music, to wars back to oprahs book club. "

LOL because someone my age can't afford nice things on his own I guess you probably think she bought me my house too! Yes my great grandmother could have bought me a nice car and a nice house etc etc...She was actually someone of great importance in my country.

here is some history for you so you know what kind of family i come from...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ester_Fanous < that is my great grandmothers sister. I spent all my summers as a child in her house. So yes I don't come from a cotton picking, slave background. And i'm not black either.

And as far as 'fashion' to 'music', yes i admit a great majority of the people follow the black culture. I am proud to say that I don't. I don't wear jeans 4 sizes too big and walk with them down around my ankles. I don't say Ight and Ax. I don't listen to rap and put chrome wheels on my car...or spinners...i don't wear a hat thats crooked or backwards...and I can go on and on with this list....but you get the point.

glad you brought up Oprah...now thats a roll model a lot of black people should follow. Self-made, extremly generous and giving. Hell, she even puts a lot of white people to shame. Good for her! :thumbs up:

1/7/2007 6:11:58 PM

what does some old vag have to do with anything? Does that make you a better person because of it?

1/7/2007 6:15:43 PM

i'm not commenting on whether or not the managers of the business in question were being racist. i don't know enough about that specific situation.

however, a noose is not at all an inherently racist symbol. it could be in certain contexts, but not generally.

1/7/2007 6:35:22 PM

i would say in a majority of contexts

1/7/2007 6:48:43 PM

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"yes my great grandmother could have bought me a nice car and a nice house etc etc...She was actually someone of great importance in my country."

my grand mother was of great importance to me to and thre's no telling how great she may have been to this country if she weren't viewed as property , and maybe she would have written a simular letter that your grandmother did but if anyone were to find out wshe could read she'd be killed

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"So yes I don't come from a cotton picking, slave background. And i'm not black either."

yea so maybe you should stfu if u don't know what it's like to be black and stop making asshole assumptions saying all blk people do something. i'm done

[Edited on January 7, 2007 at 7:26 PM. Reason : .]

1/7/2007 7:23:35 PM

i can comment all i want BECAUSE i am not black. so STFU and go feel sorry for yourself else where

1/7/2007 7:30:15 PM

When you think of a noose what comes to mind 1st? The intent had to have racist motives, although I wholly disagree with many who have condemned white people in general in this thread.

1/7/2007 8:11:54 PM

i hate white people.

1/7/2007 8:16:15 PM

And I hate you. What's your point?

1/7/2007 8:17:44 PM

^^^I think of poor Saddam and his violated civil rights.

^^yeah but you are as white as they come.

[Edited on January 7, 2007 at 8:18 PM. Reason : fda]

1/7/2007 8:18:06 PM

I also hate Egyptians because they claim to not be Arab, but they forget that during the spread of Islam the Arabs colonized all of north africa

1/7/2007 8:26:01 PM

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"i would say in a majority of contexts"

i would say only in a few specific contexts

1/7/2007 8:27:21 PM

^^and this guy fails to realize that the Egyptian people didn't fall off the face of the earth. Arabs invaded Egypt and converted a huge portion of the population. Mostly the peasant folk because they couldn't afford the taxes. Just another way Arabs/Islamic invaders converted people was by placing high taxes on Christians. But you knew that already judging by your very well thoughtout and educated previous posts. We are still Egyptians and we have very different physical characteristics to Arabs.

I bet you also think Turks are Arabs too? since their main religion is Islam.

and they didn't 'colonize' Egypt because there was already a civilization established here Like I said before...we weren't running around in little nomad tribes, half naked.

[Edited on January 7, 2007 at 8:33 PM. Reason : fda]

1/7/2007 8:32:10 PM

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"i would say only in a few specific contexts"

those few contexts encompassing the vast majority of situations americans will encounter.

1/7/2007 9:43:16 PM

no, not at all

1/7/2007 11:28:19 PM

^^^you need to know what colonize means. Furthermore, arabs and egypians interbred so much that there isn't much difference, my little ice dancer

1/7/2007 11:40:22 PM

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" black people are their number one enemy. they are the ones responsible for keeping their race down. They find everything racist and offencive. They demmand jobs just because they are black even though they are under qualified. And if you said 'boy' or 'you people' to a black guy he'd take it as racist go back to Africa. Oh wait...most of them probably don't even know where the fuck Africa is, yet they want to be called African Americans "

I don't think you realize the amount of racism blacks have to put up with before they get to the point where they make a big deal out of things like that.

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"Why is it that any other race that comes to the USA prospers except for them? Arabs, Indians (I have yet to meet a 'poor' or unsucessful Indian friend), Asians (Far East), etc etc etc...not to mention Europeans, but then you would all think I was being racist "

Blacks didn't "come to the US" they were brought here as slaves. I don't get how this fundamental aspect of this issue doesn't register with you.

You obviously recognize that black culture has some negative aspects that are holding it back, but what caused these things, and why aren't they present in other minority populations?

Do you think blacks are solely responsible for their cultural development, when for a good 100 years after slavery supposedly ended, blacks STILL were heavily oppressed in American society?

1/7/2007 11:53:39 PM

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"^^^you need to know what colonize means. Furthermore, arabs and egypians interbred so much that there isn't much difference, my little ice dancer"

hello my little white american friend. you do realize that we all didn't 'interbreed' with arabs...infact the majority hasn't 'interbred'. thats like saying all of the USA has interbred with blacks. you know as much about egypt as i do about predicting the future.


^your username fits you quite well, moron.

[Edited on January 8, 2007 at 6:16 AM. Reason : asdf]

1/8/2007 6:15:59 AM

o< o<

1/8/2007 8:32:57 AM

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"When he walked to the fenced-off area to pick up equipment for the day's jobs he looked up and was shocked to see a vicious, racist symbol in his workplace."

I like how the author of the article gets to decide the context in which the neuse was being used. The word "vicious" just adds to the idiocy.

Quote :

"racism requires power."

Statements like this show that you either have very little life experience or you don't really think about the things that you're told. Furthermore, it is degrading to the people that you're trying to side with.

Go buy a house in the ghetto and you'll learn pretty quickly that people with no power in the world you live in can be in a great position of power in their world. Hell, I'll be glad to drop you off in one of the neighborhoods on the south side of Alston Ave in Durham one day if you want the quick refresher course in power.

Aside from the physical aspects of power are the ability to attract media attention and file lawsuits. You don't have to prove anything to ruin someone's career/life.

[Edited on January 8, 2007 at 6:19 PM. Reason : s]

1/8/2007 6:18:06 PM

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"i would just think it is extremely inappropriate but not racist. people just need to relax."

1/9/2007 9:25:20 AM

i guess that a burning cross isn't even racist to some of you guys

1/9/2007 9:36:05 AM

This is not the first noose-at-work case. There've been others, and the settlements have been hefty. You guys can say it's not a racist symbol all damn day, but the people who matter believe it is. Maybe you should ask yourselves why so many people disagree with you.

[Edited on January 9, 2007 at 3:01 PM. Reason : sss]

1/9/2007 2:59:21 PM

Quote :

"hello my little white american friend. you do realize that we all didn't 'interbreed' with arabs...infact the majority hasn't 'interbred'. thats like saying all of the USA has interbred with blacks. you know as much about egypt as i do about predicting the future."

I guess you haven't taken part in that huge DNA study then. You must be the statistical outlier.

1/9/2007 3:06:48 PM

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"but the people who matter believe it is"

Do you mean a jury of our peers?

How were those other suits settled? This is the type of thing that gets quickly settled out of court for undisclosed amounts of money.

1/9/2007 3:11:58 PM

^Here's one I was reading the other night...

http://www.marconews.com/news/2004/jun/09/ndn_panhandle_utility_settles_racism_case_for__380/

$380,000 with $60,000 going to the state Attorney General and the rest to two dudes

1/9/2007 3:29:17 PM

That was an out of court settlement. Nobody decided anything, other than the company deciding that it was worth the money to settle. They certainly were not found guilty by a judge or jury.

The details aren't given in the article, but they may not have even conceded guilt.

1/9/2007 3:38:51 PM

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"I guess you haven't taken part in that huge DNA study then. You must be the statistical outlier."

haha...i love your poor attempts at trolling. You can make up all the facts you like about Egypt and the surrounding countries...I will still find them amusing and good for a laugh.

1/9/2007 8:46:30 PM

^ actually, he's right.

There was a study released maybe 2 months ago that showed that something like 40 or 50% of europeans (aka white people) descend from some arabian princess that was exiled to Sweden.

1/9/2007 9:07:09 PM

So does this mean that Jews can get offended if I hang an oven outside my place of business? I mean come ON now, where does this crap end....

I hate this PC bullshit.. this is just like that frat party where people (i.e. black people) got offended because they were having a halloween party and had a noose hanging from the frat house.....

1/9/2007 10:15:59 PM

you're getting your parties confused. That party had people walking around in Klan robes with the noose.

1/9/2007 10:27:27 PM

now if some dude had a rope and said.."back in the good ol' days ur neck would be through this hole".

thats racist.

1/9/2007 10:43:22 PM

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"^ actually, he's right. There was a study released maybe 2 months ago that showed that something like 40 or 50% of europeans (aka white people) descend from some arabian princess that was exiled to Sweden."

THAT has nothing to do with what we were 'discussing'...or rather trolling about...since there was no truth to it.

1/10/2007 8:05:20 AM

^^^^No, this is not "just like" that since this noose wasn't hung on Halloween.

[Edited on January 10, 2007 at 9:18 AM. Reason : sss]

1/10/2007 9:18:43 AM

Why don't "you people" worry more about raising your standard of living and less about racist symbols.

/racist post.

1/10/2007 9:46:21 AM

I think the reason I am so pissed off by the CNN article is because they, as the nonbiased news organization (yea right, I know), immediately take the "omg bleeding heart liberal" stance and used words like "a vicous, racist symbol" as their own opinion. Notice in the article that it's the reporter's words who say it....

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"NEW YORK (CNN) -- James Jackson, a 26-year-old black employee of 180 Connect, was preparing for another day of installing cable, telephone and Internet service to residential customers of Cablevision in Nassau County, New York on December 7. When he walked to the fenced-off area to pick up equipment for the day's jobs he looked up and was shocked to see a vicious, racist symbol in his workplace."

Why couldn't they just have said the facts? A rope, tied into a noose shape, was hanging from the workplace entrance. Black people were offended... end of story?

1/10/2007 11:26:17 AM

i'm sure more than just black people were offended. anyone should be offended if they see a noose hanging in their workplace.

1/10/2007 11:32:23 AM

Why would I have a reason to be offended? Honestly, you could hang a picture of two fat old men fucking each other over the dead corpse of James Brown while skinning live baby penguins and I wouldn't give a shit.

1/10/2007 12:40:55 PM

that's you. but i'm sure more than just black people were offended. a noose is an implied threat of violence. independent of the racial implications, that would likely be offensive to many.

1/10/2007 12:46:21 PM

^^ just because you're devoid of morals does not mean everyone else is.

1/10/2007 7:35:45 PM

If not turning a noose into a racial symbol makes me immoral, then I guess Al Sharpton must be the most moral person in the world.

1/10/2007 8:45:15 PM

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"a noose is an implied threat of violence."

Bingo. And it could be an insult by suggesting that someone ought to kill themself. If I walked to my office and some fucker hung a noose in my office, I'd be livid. And I'm white.
I think the news article is poorly written and racial connections were made too soon.

1/10/2007 8:55:08 PM

Here in the USA = Racist symbol, rest of the world = different meaning. Just like everything else

I don't care what way you look at it.

Im willing to bet that blacks were hung more than any other race here in America. Not to mention the whole 'lynching' thing...

But Im not willing to argue this, it's far pointless.


[Edited on January 10, 2007 at 9:00 PM. Reason : .]

1/10/2007 8:55:24 PM