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"Long gone are the days of going to fair grounds throwing a football around cooking and listening to music. Last year I saw many people playing beer pong at a tailgate."

good point.

4/22/2007 12:39:31 PM

whats wrong with playing beer pong before games?

4/22/2007 1:25:57 PM

Why are you playing drinking games before tailgate? thats not what tailgatting is about. NCSU tailgatting is about hanging out with friends, cooking, eatting some good food, throwing a football around, listening to music, heckling the other teams fans, raising some hell, and having fun drinking some beer and getting ready to go cheer for your team. Not playing drinking games. Tailgating isn't supposed to be about drinking and how much time you have to do it. Tailgating is something thats done before a game. Drinking games aren't very responsible, when the students stopped being responsible they started loosing the battle for respect. Have Pack Pride not Get Drunk and Go State idea.

[Edited on April 22, 2007 at 1:38 PM. Reason : gramma]

4/22/2007 1:33:09 PM

^ lol

4/22/2007 1:34:45 PM

You should be able to do whatever you want out there as long as you arent getting out of hand, including drinking games.... Yeah you could probably draw a line between drinking games and getting out of hand, but you cant relate the shooting to beerpong.

Its all about the administration taking advantage of the shooting to tone down tailgating. All this out of fear that allowing us to do what we want will have more negative impact than good. You could argue that point forever and get nowhere because of the hypothetical aspects that get raised. Tailgating will probably never again be like it used to: the old crusties are too fearful of the younger generations to let it go back.

4/22/2007 2:32:47 PM

haha except for a couple dedicated people, the younger generation is too lazy to do anything about it

btw best part is that the people that threw down these new laws were the same ones who used to be able to drink openly during events on campus in the 60s-80s

hell drinkin age used to be 18 for these people, ta boot

[Edited on April 22, 2007 at 2:39 PM. Reason : +]

4/22/2007 2:36:55 PM

this is true but they also weren't spoiled rotten like most college kids today. Not everyone had there own car the only phone you had was in the hallway of your dorm. Yes the administration took the opportunity to tone down tailgating because the issues were getting pushed. When I was a freshman you didn't see beer pong or flip cup being played at tailgate. You saw people throwing horseshoes and footballs. The shootings were a bad thing but some of these changes aren't honestly that bad. I think you can let kegs back in with the new law that was just passed. I bet you won't see a smart 21 year old person buy a keg and let a bunch of underage people drink on it. People were getting out of hand out there thats why they put the regulations on it. Give it a few years and the rules will become more and more relaxed.

4/22/2007 3:55:46 PM

i wish some people at this school would actually fight this. unfortunately it seems noone here has any balls.

4/22/2007 9:51:32 PM

uhmmmm HELLO

Student Govt was the ones that got the whole thing together anyways

Zach Adams was instrumental

4/22/2007 9:53:23 PM

Well if you want people to fight for something then you should inform them why they should want to. Most people at State don't remember the times before the rules were in place.

4/22/2007 9:55:45 PM

http://ncst.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2317880974

4/22/2007 10:51:55 PM

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"i wish some people at this school would actually fight this. unfortunately it seems noone here has any balls."

there's no time like the present . . . why don't you lead the way

4/22/2007 10:58:09 PM

Let this be our banner: DO IT FOR THE PIGGIES


[Edited on April 23, 2007 at 11:49 AM. Reason : pic]

4/23/2007 11:48:42 AM

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"Why are you playing drinking games before tailgate? thats not what tailgatting is about. "

This is exactly what tailgating is about. Who are you to say what someone can do when they are out there getting ready for the game? We go out there and grill out and drink beer and hang out but we also like to play drinking games sometimes to pass the time and get drunk. Whats wrong with that? Just because we aren't throwing horseshoes suddenly we aren't tailgating the right way? Thats ridiculous...if we are gonna talk about loosening the current rules on tailgating then we have to be rational here.

4/23/2007 11:57:07 AM

^^ No because you are underage that might be the first problem. The first rule of drinking is that if you are under 21 don't bring attention to yourself. Drinking games brings attention to your crowd. Also drinking games and drunk people tend to cause more problems than people who aren't playing drinking games. The point of tailgatting isn't to get drunk. Atleast I didn't ever think so. So when you go to every sporting event you go drunk? basketball, baseball?? Because tailgating is something you do before sporting events it isn't just limited to football. No I am not telling you how to tailgate but when I was an undergrad we didn't have people wanting to get drunk and go watch a game they either showed up to get drunk and hang out outside during the game or the got a good buzz and went inside. I am all for loosing the rules up some but like the administration I would like to see a valid arguement why. So far I have heard we need time to cook a pig, which on any given game you might have 15 pigs being cooked, we need more time to tailgate (AKA drink) great arguement there. We need longer tailgating times so we can have fun, If you could convince the administration that you would show up at 6am for a noon game I am sure they would listen more. Do you have any other arguements??

4/23/2007 1:36:18 PM

Many alums drive several hours to get to a game. A four-hour rule means 3 hours of tailgating. If your goal is to get drunk, you can do that in 3 hours just as easy as you can in 6 or 8. Pretending that a four hour rule solves any drinking issue is foolish and/or disingenuous. Longer tailgating allow many people, especially out-of-towners, to spend time with old friends, make new ones, reconnect with the campus community (students, faculty, family, and alums), and enjoy a nice afternoon with barbecue, throwing the football, relaxing, etc.

Tailgating should be about relaxing, having good barbecue, spending time with friends, building community, and perhaps having a few beers. Aarbitrary time cap creates loses much of that while creating a culture of stress, traffic problems, and encourages binge drinking.

4/23/2007 1:52:53 PM

^I've never been stressed or had any traffic problems while getting to a game with these restrictions. You are right that some people come from out of town and they get the short end of the stick. But this thread isn't about the average out of town alum . . . it is mostly about students and what wolfpack1100 is saying is that that argument doesn't apply to most students. Most students argue that they need more time so they can drink. The administration might be more willing to change things if the students proved they were responsible, but needing more time to drink isn't a responsible argument.

4/23/2007 1:59:42 PM

whos to say what the definition of tailgating is?? Some people like to cook, some people like to drink.. There shouldn't be set guidelines of whats right/wrong at tailgating. Shit beerpong is fun

4/23/2007 2:04:49 PM

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"I am all for loosing the rules up some but like the administration I would like to see a valid arguement why. "

I'd like to see a valid argument against why not? Because there is a higher chance someone might get shot? Come on.

I saw one of the Student Government kids running with a line item in their platform for tailgating restriction changes. Are they doing that yet? Is anyone that voted for them following that up?

Where are the protests on the Chancellors lawn? Where is the noise being made about this? Get WRAL, get the N&O, do some fucking work instead of cruising through NCSU and going to frat parties if you want something to change.

Message boards like these are a plague on this process, because everyone thinks their bitching here will get something changed, and it just won't.

4/23/2007 2:14:10 PM

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"If your goal is to get drunk, you can do that in 3 hours just as easy as you can in 6 or 8."

Bingo, thats why the students don't care. I can get as drunk as I want even if they cut the time down to 30 min. I also think that getting drunk (not shitfaced) is what the game is all about for students. The more we drink the louder the stadium gets.

I mean it's freaking college, what the hell do you want the students to do? Be a bunch of fucking prudes? Should we sit down and be quiet on defense to be kind to the other team? So what if we get drunk, it's not like the Alumni didn't get drunk more often and at a younger age than we are. I mean Jesus Christ, they used to sell alcohol in Tucker. I seem to remember the Alumni screwing the current students when they caused Raleigh to make the NPO.

Personally I think the Alumni need to step in and tell Stafford and Oblinger where they can stick it. The students HAVE been trying for the past 3 yrs. and they simply tell us they'll think about it and then don't do shit. Somebody with more of a voice needs to step forward. Also if the alumni think I am tailgating "wrong" then why don't you show me how it's done properly by fighting to get it back to how it used to be. Because personally I don't know what is "supposed to be like" when I have only experienced a bunch of bullshit ever since I've gotten here.

PS. WTF happened w/ Staffords performance review? I haven't heard shit about that in the past 2 months. I thought the results were supposed to be public.

I remember what the students thought. http://www.technicianonline.com/poll/index.cfm?event=displayPollResults&poll_question_id=21375

[Edited on April 23, 2007 at 2:47 PM. Reason : .]

4/23/2007 2:45:30 PM

Tailgating is when the RVs start pulling in on Tuesdays for a Saturday game. That is something you never believe til you see it.

So, a 3 hr limit is ludicrous. I will not even get started on that tangent.

4/23/2007 2:46:21 PM

You cold-hearted, crusty alums (I am alum too) need to lighten up and live a little. The future is in the new generations, maaan. How are we supposed to grow a diehard fanbase that we oppress like this? This is Amurrica, not the damn soviet yayunion! Think about all the lives of these young wolfpackers that are lacking the enrichment that binge drinking, hitting on sorostitutes all wearing the same slutwear n' boots, and nonstop gorging on pork at tailgates would provide! Geezus, have yall not been there too?!?! Isnt it a great lesson in life and debauchery?!?! We alumni should revel in the energy that our younger generations infuse into us like a fountain of youth! Thanks, kids for keepin it real and pushing the limits because most of my alumni brethren are too crusted over to do so. ....

what about all those poor pigs that are dying to get cooked



But seriously, there shouldnt be restrictions at all: tailgating is an artform and a way of life for many people. It requires time and energy that we arent given these days at NCSU no matter how we choose to tailgate. Why do we need to explain what it is that we want to do, no one is trying to go out there shooting ppl. geez. We can't let fear control us! power to the people! save the children & young wolfpackers ! free tailgating!

[Edited on April 23, 2007 at 2:49 PM. Reason : !!!]

[Edited on April 23, 2007 at 2:50 PM. Reason : expletive]

4/23/2007 2:46:33 PM

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"Personally I think the Alumni need to step in and tell Stafford and Oblinger where they can stick it. The students HAVE been trying for the past 3 yrs. and they simply tell us they'll think about it and then don't do shit. Somebody with more of a voice needs to step forward."

I am an alumni, and I'll tell you, when your regular college tailgating friends start scattering to all parts of the country and the world and don't make games, and beer pong gets to be a bit blasé, you find that the current time limits aren't the life killer that it is to a bunch of college kids looking to have a party.

The only reason I wish I had more time is so I can walk around and see different friends that might be scattered from Cardinal Gibbons to the Vet School AND have enough time to grill when I am ready.

4/23/2007 3:05:23 PM

^Obviously tailgating restrictions aren't going to directly effect alums not going to games. However, some of us drive from 4 or 5 hours away to see every game, and would enjoy a little time to relax and catch up with friends before rushing into the game. LSR + WPC dues + Season Tickets $$$ isn't worth it for a game, but is (or at least used to be) worth it for a gameday experience.

4/23/2007 3:18:39 PM

I am a alumni as well and i do not like the new rules on the time. I can personally saay I used to go out for noon games at like 4 in the morning to get a space and cook food for everyone. The idea of a tailgate was based around the food and time spent with friends not seeing who can throw a ping pong ball in a cup full of beer. Your right students can get drunk in 4 hours just as easily as they can within 6 hours. Ewalk actually the last dorm to sell beer on campus was Bragaw hall in 2000 not tucker. Why would alumni want to fight to give you the right to play drinking games? In due time the restrictions will be lifted more and more. not in your time but in future years.

4/23/2007 3:46:43 PM

^^^ I second that!

[Edited on April 23, 2007 at 3:51 PM. Reason : ^^]

4/23/2007 3:51:17 PM

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"^Obviously tailgating restrictions aren't going to directly effect alums not going to games. "

Um, you took my point into a rather obtuse direction. I attend games, but more than 1/2 of the 15-20 close friends and friends of those friends that I tailgated with either don't, don't regularly, or have other game day obligations that prevents them from blocking off the entire day.

There is probably a reason you don't hear as much grumbling from the Alumni, it's that it isn't as big a burden for them as it is for students, looking for an excuse to party.

[Edited on April 23, 2007 at 3:58 PM. Reason : a]

4/23/2007 3:58:33 PM

to the guy asking do we go to games drunk? the answer for me is yes. SO what? I am probably one of if not the most diehard fans for my teams. WOLFPACK. PANTHERS. BRAVES.HURRICANES.BOBCATS. and i drink at sporting events...so what?

4/23/2007 4:07:25 PM

^^^^My point was that we can get drunk with or without drinking games as quick as we want to. The students don't need all that time to get drunk. I am saying that I want to see what tailgating was like in the "glory" days. We don't need the Alumni to fight for students to play drinking games, we need them to fight for the tailgating experience. We already have lost many of the traditions that I would have liked to experience while at State but haven't been able to take part in.

When it is only the students fighting, it appears to the administration that our only motivation is more drinking time. We need the Alumni to take back tailgating. We need their voice and experience.

[Edited on April 23, 2007 at 4:17 PM. Reason : ^]

4/23/2007 4:16:54 PM

BIGNO students have no power in what get changed at this university because they will get our money either way. Alumni on the other hand can stop giving anytime if they are not pleased with how things are going.

4/23/2007 4:20:08 PM

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"Also drinking games and drunk people tend to cause more problems than people who aren't playing drinking games. The point of tailgatting isn't to get drunk. Atleast I didn't ever think so. So when you go to every sporting event you go drunk? basketball, baseball?? Because tailgating is something you do before sporting events it isn't just limited to football."

plenty of of-age people enjoy playing flip-cup or beerpong; i play them and im not a rowdy drunk and no one in my group has ever caused any problems. there are enough cops and ale officers out there that they can respond to people that are causing problems, not everyone that drinks is doing so irresponsibly. i dont see why i shouldnt be allowed to sit outside with my friends drinking beer all day, none of us cause any problems. we dont need the beer, but its nice to enjoy some cold beers on a nice fall day. and people tailgate for all kinds of sporting events, and also for concerts. also tailgating isnt a new thing, people have been drinking at tailgates for forever.

4/23/2007 4:24:35 PM

^ I agree with tailgating and drinking. I am not trying to say that you shouldn't be able to. I am saying for the sake of getting tailgating back the students need to prove why they want more time. If you say its because of cooking pigs throwing around a football gathering as a group friendship they might listen. But as long as people keep saying stuff about drinking then the administration will not listen and I can't blame them. What are the glory days that everyone speaks of? The glory days you speak of were when we had all noon or 1pm games with a few thursday night games. The students didn't come out till 8am for a noon or 1pm game. Its only been in recent years that we have had night games or late afternoon games.

4/23/2007 5:07:42 PM

^Thats crap. The students never did anything differently and shouldnt have to prove antyhing. Three of the four guys involved in the shooting were ex-students (I remember one of those losers from Lee hall in 2000, he was a wasteland).

The whole tragedy here is that the students never acted any differently than they always have and the university used the shooting to take tailgating away from us all: blaming the shooting on drunk students.

Its not just about the students, but all of us who enjoy tailgating freedom like you pretty much always find at the bigger schools with rabid fanbases and perenially great teams.

4/23/2007 5:36:37 PM

Here is my arguement for the last damn time. WHY do you want more time to tailgate when people usually only tailgated for 4 hours!!!! I think its a good idea because it gets people to go out to the game at a set time and its a wave of fans that come in all at once. Even the 3:00pm games that we sometimes had people wouldn't show up till like 10 or 11. Call me a liar if you want but I remember what the crowds looked like 5 or 6 hours before a game and it was not packed full. Talk about the good old days all you want to. If I was you i would start by trying to get the Parking ticket crap gone before I worried about time. The new seatbelt law is not going to allow people to cram in cars and SUV's like they used too. I believe you would have more alumni support if you were trying to get the parking lot assignemnts and passes gone.

[Edited on April 23, 2007 at 6:05 PM. Reason : gramma]

4/23/2007 6:05:08 PM

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"But as long as people keep saying stuff about drinking then the administration will not listen and I can't blame them."

We don't. The administration makes that arguement.

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"If you say its because of cooking pigs throwing around a football gathering as a group friendship they might listen. "

We do. They tell us they'll think about it and then blow us off. EVERY YEAR.

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"WHY do you want more time to tailgate when people usually only tailgated for 4 hours!!!!"

Because we don't even have 4 hours. By the time you get in with the traffic you only have 3 hrs. Take away the time the students need to line up to get good seats and that leaves us w/ only 2 hrs. If you can tell me how to fully set up a tailgating site, cook your food, have time to relax and converse w/ friends and then pack up all in under 2 hrs., I am all ears.

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"I believe you would have more alumni support if you were trying to get the parking lot assignemnts and passes gone."

No. Why do you think the better spots go to people who pay for them? Alumni like being able to use this system and get better tailgating spots by donating more.

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"The new seatbelt law is not going to allow people to cram in cars and SUV's like they used too."

We do it anyway. Every single game I have been to (almost every game in the past 3 yrs.). Not once has a cop even mentioned it as being a safety issue.

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"What are the glory days that everyone speaks of? "

I don't know. That's the point. I hear of all the great things that tailgating once was, but now has been destroyed since the first game I attended as a freshman (The shooting). I admit I'm still a greenhorn to tailgating compared to many on this message board, that's why when I hear about how great tailgating USED to be from alumni, it makes me wonder what it could be. I still have fun, but I feel it could be much better just from the passion I have felt from the alumni about tailgating.

PS

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"I think its a good idea because it gets people to go out to the game at a set time and its a wave of fans that come in all at once."

This is the traffic jam I am talking about. If people came gradually then I wouldn't have to spend an hour in traffic coming from Gorman St.

[Edited on April 23, 2007 at 8:57 PM. Reason : .]

4/23/2007 8:55:50 PM

^you just don't know the way to go if you have problems with traffic. I never had a single problem last year and had plenty of time to cook, talk, throw the ball around, and still get to the gate early enough to sit anywhere I wanted. You can still get "good seats" as long as you are in the stadium by around 30 min to kickoff. Traffic and getting in to the stadium both come down to not waiting until the last minute.

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"We do it anyway. Every single game I have been to (almost every game in the past 3 yrs.). Not once has a cop even mentioned it as being a safety issue."

his comment didn't apply to last year. This year there is a new seat belt law that says that everyone in the vehicle must be wearing one. Before you were fine as long as the front passengers were buckled up and the vehicle wasn't over capacity. Although the capacity requirement was often not enforced.

[Edited on April 23, 2007 at 10:03 PM. Reason : ]

4/23/2007 10:02:47 PM

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"^^ No because you are underage that might be the first problem. "

I assume you were talking to me...and I'm not underage, I just don't update my wolfweb account...I'm so sorry. My argument is that its none of your fucking business what I want to do at my tailgate. Just do what you want to do and mind your own business. Thats what starts shit in the first place anyway, someone like you always wanting to try to tell someone else how to live their life.

And I'm sure you are actually 99 too.....

and arguement? and you say you're an alumni?



[Edited on April 23, 2007 at 10:44 PM. Reason : .]

4/23/2007 10:35:51 PM

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"I assume you were talking to me...and I'm not underage, I just don't update my wolfweb account...I'm so sorry. My argument is that its none of your fucking business what I want to do at my tailgate. Just do what you want to do and mind your own business. Thats what starts shit in the first place anyway, someone like you always wanting to try to tell someone else how to live their life."

it became people's concern when people got shot.

(and it's alumnUS, dumbass. if you're going to come and correct grammar, you better use it correctly yourself)

4/23/2007 10:47:45 PM

^ don't spew that shit like it is a valid excuse to try to micromanage people. Debate the 6 hour rule all you want but there is no way in hell that you all of a sudden can do anything you want because 2 people got shot. 1 bad apple doesnt mean all of a sudden the rest of us forgot how to act. That guy at that tailgate was gonna fuck up in a horrible way at some point inevitibly. Unfortunately, it happened to be at a tailgate. That crazy fuck had nothing to do with me and the 53,000 others there that day. We were just doing what we always did which people never had a problem with for a half century before that.

4/24/2007 8:19:26 AM

[Edited on April 24, 2007 at 8:49 AM. Reason : Not worth derailing a valid thread into a grammar fight.]

4/24/2007 8:43:36 AM

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"That crazy fuck had nothing to do with me and the 53,000 others there that day. We were just doing what we always did which people never had a problem with for a half century before that."

exactly...they are trying to prevent something that is not preventable. That was gonna happen whether or not I go to a tailgate and play beer pong.

^^^ I was quoting him dumbass...read his post like 7 up from mine and then try to talk shit

I'll even post the quote for you

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"I am a alumni as well and i do not like the new rules on the time."

[Edited on April 24, 2007 at 11:06 AM. Reason : .]

4/24/2007 11:03:26 AM

Pbomb, I have been on here for close to 1900 days. Yes I am a alumni I graduated back in 2005. I have been going to every home NCSU game since 2000 my senior year of high school. I will say this again people with under 1000 posts shouldn't be allowed in sports talk. The administration doesn't make that arguement look in this thread and see how many people talk about drinking. If you believe its the administration against the students nothing will change. You have to work together listen to their concerns and compromise with them. They have the power so you must work to get what you want.
If you run into traffic getting to tailgate then that means your a idiot that doesn't know the proper short cuts to get you to the fairgrounds. Hint to you the shortest distance isn't always the fastest route. What are you fixing that requires so much time and effort to set up and take down??? Anyone can cook a meal eat and throw the stuff in the back of a truck and get inside in less than 20 minutes. Most of the time the parking lost open before the 4 hour rule starts. The parking spots and regulation on passes should be done away with. I am talking about the fairgrounds and the other lots that used to be just pay lots.
The seat belt law was already covered so I don't feel like making you seem stupid again. The glory days of tailgatting are still there at NCSU in my oppinon. If they did away with the parking pass requirements and opened up the parking lots 5 hours before a game everything would be fine. The Tailgatting experience is all about what you make of it. The people you tailgate with are the ones that make up a tailgate. Give me 5 hours of tailgatting and a place to do it and Me and my buddies can have a dang good time.

4/24/2007 12:02:44 PM

you better throw the shit inside the truck or it might get stolen. Someone stole 2 chairs I had in the back of my truck last year but luckily I had put the cooler inside the truck

4/24/2007 12:10:30 PM

^^WOW, is this Stafford's alias or something? Seriously, WTF?

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"I will say this again people with under 1000 posts shouldn't be allowed in sports talk."

Let's not let the students post on a website created for them. How dumb does that sound? I've been on this board for 3 yrs. but as a student, I don't exactly have the time to post every 10 sec. to make sure we please you by having enough posts.

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"The administration doesn't make that arguement look in this thread and see how many people talk about drinking."

YES, THEY DO!!!! Why is tailgating 4 hrs? To cut back on drinking. Sounds like they are making that a point of emphasis to me. We talk about drinking on this board b/c that is the reason why tailgating was cut back.

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"If you believe its the administration against the students nothing will change. "

It is the administration. We keep asking for changes every year yet nothing changes. Sounds like that is the administration being dicks to me. Also I don't believe, I KNOW IT IS THE ADMIN.

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"You have to work together listen to their concerns and compromise with them. They have the power so you must work to get what you want."

What are we compromising about again if the administration won't give us jack shit to begin w/?

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"What are you fixing that requires so much time and effort to set up and take down??? "

Setting up a grill and canopy, allowing the charcoals to be ready, fixing sides, consuming and then packing everything up so it doesn't get stolen can be done within that time limit. I am saying I want more time to mingle w/ fellow NC State students and alumni.

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"The seat belt law was already covered so I don't feel like making you seem stupid again."

Seriously, if you get a ticket for this while at a game, I will pay for it. Cops are not going to hold up traffic and 56,000 other fans just to write a citation for some drunk kids being responsible and having a DD. Although it isn't as safe as it could possibly be, they'll take that over drunks on the road.

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"If you run into traffic getting to tailgate then that means your a idiot that doesn't know the proper short cuts to get you to the fairgrounds. Hint to you the shortest distance isn't always the fastest route."

I have never spent less than 30 min in traffic on the way to a game, even when taking the back roads. Maybe it is because there are 56,000 other people that know ALL the same roads and are ALL coming in at the same time. A gradual influx would dramatically improve this.

Seriously, why are you backing these ridiculous policies that will in NO WAY deter some psycho from shooting people again. Like a million people before me have said, these kids were loose cannons ready to go off and they just happened to go off during tailgating. VT can also be a lesson, how do you stop some crazy bastard when you have no warning. The best policy the administration could implement is a more visible police force. Meaning no undercover ALE and more uniformed officers patrolling to make psychos think twice before pulling out a gun. In my opinion the reason we don't do this is because the administration is cheap and won't pay for the overtime of all the officers it needs to have on site.

[Edited on April 24, 2007 at 12:38 PM. Reason : .]

4/24/2007 12:38:05 PM

^^^ Get off your high horse man. I've missed 3 home games in 18 years and because you don't agree with my opinion you attack my post count. Don't tell me about how tailgating should be. Did you even go to one game before Rivers was here?

4/24/2007 12:48:37 PM

haha talk about post count. I've been on since 1999. I just never bother typing the same crap 10 other people have already posted. or... as I know some of you will say... I am a lurker

Post count =

4/24/2007 12:53:43 PM

hate seeing wolfpackers argue so much...

4/24/2007 12:58:57 PM

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"haha talk about post count. I've been on since 1999."

thats fucking amazing when you consider that the site has only been around since 2000

[Edited on April 24, 2007 at 1:10 PM. Reason : ]

4/24/2007 1:10:03 PM

users under 1k not starting topics is one thing...

4/24/2007 1:11:17 PM

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"I will say this again people with under 1000 posts shouldn't be allowed in sports talk"

Some of your arguments have been rational, and I saw some merit to previous posts, but this statement destroyes your credibility. Yes, please go bullshit in chit chat with 400 one word and incoherant posts. That will make someone worthy of posting in sports talk? *Vince Vaughn Voice* Ironious! Ironious on all accounts!

If you graduated HS in 2000, then we're the same age, went through the same tailgating during our tenure at State as an undergrad. I'm like you, have Lifetime Rights, season tickets, a parking pass, etc. I am a responsible, courteous tailgater, despite the fact that I DO enjoy drinking games sometimes at tailgates, and the argument that tailgating shouldn't be about drinking is ridiculous. No one says it's their one and only focus when tailgating, it's just an integral part. Like you've said before, tailgating is about getting excited about the game and team, fellowship with friends, etc., but like it or not, consuming alcohol is a big part of that for the majority of our fanbase, underage or of-age! I see middle aged men shotgunning beers, using beer bongs and stuff like that at tailgates. I'm not saying that people HAVE to get drunk to have a good time. But short of telling someone not to do something dangerous or against the law, you don't have the right to tell anyone how they should or shouldn't tailgate.

As long as people are abiding by the law and rules of the facilities, then what's the problem? If someone is the kind of person to break the law when they get drunk, then they're stupid enough either drink faster in a smaller tailgating timeframe or "pregame" and end up driving to the game drunk, either way they're going to make the same bad decisions while the rest of us suffer. [/rant]

[Edited on April 24, 2007 at 1:33 PM. Reason : .]

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4/24/2007 1:30:11 PM