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"I am not a fan of lasers. Waste of money. They just make you an easy target at night."

I'm not normally, but my thought in the case of a snubby is that they're hard enough to aim as it is, and I can draw and point at the extremely short ranges that you'd be using that kind of gun.

[Edited on January 23, 2007 at 11:24 AM. Reason : .]

1/23/2007 11:23:41 AM

^^
They've been known to do just that (police reports), but that's not really a good reason to get them.

^
Lasers aren't a substitute for knowing how to aim, though. Learn to point-shoot well, and lasers can help, but trying to aim by hunting the dot around is a terrible habit.

1/24/2007 6:54:07 AM

i've got a laser/light that will fit on all of my pistols that have the universal rail, though i dont ever really use it

i can get tight 2"-3" groups at 25 yards with just sights but someone is gonna be a little more hesitant if they look down and see a red dot shining on them

1/24/2007 10:07:32 AM

you don't point a gun at someone long enough for them to have time to look down and see a dot on them. you point it and start squeezing that trigger. if you have to point a gun at somebody you have to use it.

1/24/2007 11:20:51 AM

^
Some of us prefer the option of telling someone to fuck off (and then actually giving a chance to do so). If only because getting blood out of carpet is a royal pain in the ass.

1/24/2007 11:27:12 AM

let alone, however justified i am in shooting someone for self defense, its not the preferred option, as its going to cost you tens of thousands of dollars of legal fees, let alone potential costs of counter sues by the "victim"'s family

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"if you have to point a gun at somebody you have to use it."

no no no no no...you should be ready to use it, but by no means do you "have to use it"

1/24/2007 11:32:44 AM

1) no one in the 'shooting people' community uses lasers, that's b-movie bullshit.

2) for a gun in the 300-400 price range, Rock Island Armory makes an awesome 1911 Tactical. I picked one up about 3 weeks ago and have loved it ever since. The guy who sold it to me works for a gun shop in Fayetteville and was formerly a member of the 'shooting people' community, he said it was a great deal.

3) But I also own an XD and have never had any trouble with it.

1/24/2007 11:39:51 AM

let me rephrase that. If I point a gun at somebody, I'm going to use it. the way I see it, is that if you don't You're inviting more trouble than you would if you did. But maybe my experiences cloud my thinking on this.

1/24/2007 11:56:45 AM

^
"One strike and you're out"—draw a bead, THEN give warning, and if the person does anything other than run away or play dead, open fire. Simple enough. Obviously the rules are different for home defense and street defense, though.

^^
Lasers are useful within certain circumstances (mainly low-light), BUT it takes a lot of practice to actually get good with them.

1/24/2007 12:38:54 PM

you'd be amazed at how somebody's mentality does a complete 180 when they see a red dot on their chest

1/24/2007 2:05:39 PM

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"Lasers aren't a substitute for knowing how to aim, though. Learn to point-shoot well, and lasers can help, but trying to aim by hunting the dot around is a terrible habit."

Absolutely, I just see it as speeding up my point shoot ability, not supplimenting it, not to mention being cheaper to practice with (in the long run) at the house.

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"1) no one in the 'shooting people' community uses lasers, that's b-movie bullshit."

As someone on the peripherals of the 'shooting people' community, I'd have to disagree.

1/24/2007 2:26:39 PM

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"Absolutely, I just see it as speeding up my point shoot ability, not supplimenting it, not to mention being cheaper to practice with (in the long run) at the house."

Outstanding.

That reminds me, I need to get a clamp mount so I can stick a flashlight on my housecannon.

1/24/2007 2:57:22 PM

swat teams use lasers

they must not be in the "shooting people" community

1/24/2007 3:20:35 PM

Police forces aren't exactly the best role models for much of anything...

1/24/2007 5:44:31 PM

^^^

If by housecannon you mean shotgun, skip anything Lyman/ATI/Tacstar. Most clamp mounts for shotguns suck ass. However, if you dont mind friction tape under the clamp, it will hold for all but the most intensive range trips. I have a Tacstar clamp laying around for a Minimag, if you want it. Took it off my shotgun since I put too many rounds downrange for the clamp to stay still.

It's this one:



I should also add that putting an LED conversion into the Minimag makes it ALMOST a passable tac light for home use.

[Edited on January 24, 2007 at 11:50 PM. Reason : goddamn photofucket.]

1/24/2007 11:50:31 PM

Quote :

"you'd be amazed at how somebody's mentality does a complete 180 when they see a red dot on their chest"

I don't walk around looking at my own chest, so I'd probably never notice the red dot


until my gf's cat jumps up to try to catch it.

1/25/2007 12:00:31 AM

SWAT teams don't use lasers brah. Red dot optics maybe.

1/25/2007 7:27:25 PM

Too much hollywood.

1/25/2007 7:49:15 PM

I want a shotgun, preferably used last night

1/25/2007 8:50:31 PM

[Edited on January 25, 2007 at 9:57 PM. Reason : .]

1/25/2007 9:45:21 PM

i was pretty sure that SWAT had laser/light combos on pretty much all their weapons

1/26/2007 12:28:24 AM

.50 BMG is not found in hand guns

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_Action_Express is

1/26/2007 1:05:52 PM

yeah .50 AE (50 Magnum) and 50 S&W are handgun

50 BMG is British Machine Gun...big big round

1/26/2007 1:27:21 PM

Lights and CCOs, look I'm not gonna debate this, but the big boys don't use lasers and I'm not on the 'peripherals' of the community.

1/26/2007 5:29:45 PM

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""if you have to point a gun at somebody you have to use it.""

disagree

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"what the hell are you going to do with a .308? that is a massive round. "

disagree

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"no no no no no...you should be ready to use it, but by no means do you "have to use it""

concur

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" no one in the 'shooting people' community uses lasers, that's b-movie bullshit."

disagree

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".50 BMG is not found in hand guns"

haha, NO SHIT! what was that in reference to?

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"50 BMG is British Machine Gun...big big round"

BMG is Browning Machine Gun

1/26/2007 5:40:42 PM

^whoops

(BMG)

[Edited on January 26, 2007 at 6:32 PM. Reason : .]

1/26/2007 6:32:33 PM

nvm

[Edited on January 26, 2007 at 6:54 PM. Reason : '']

[Edited on January 26, 2007 at 6:57 PM. Reason : nvm]

1/26/2007 6:53:34 PM

^man i saw a p7 (dunno if it was m7 m10 or m13) in australia in 98 for like $350 USD equivalent but i couldnt ship it back

1/26/2007 7:45:31 PM

^ damn! thats a kickass deal. Though I thought they had really strict gun laws?

[Edited on January 26, 2007 at 10:07 PM. Reason : m]

1/26/2007 10:07:20 PM

oh shit wrong trip

it was in france in 1995

[Edited on January 26, 2007 at 10:14 PM. Reason : 95]

1/26/2007 10:11:01 PM

yeah I get my "trips" mixed up too.

1/26/2007 10:15:46 PM

i'm guessing you could pick up one from your friend on the cheap right about now

1/26/2007 10:36:12 PM

Quote :

".50 BMG is not found in hand guns http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_Action_Express is"

Beg to differ.

Much like porn, if it can be thought of, it has likely been achieved.

http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/0600/601.htm

1/28/2007 3:18:55 AM

that might have a little bit of recoil

1/28/2007 3:44:54 AM